Sequels Could sinister 6 seriously work?

[WalterKovacs]

I mean, spider-man 3 taught us that 3 villains cannot coexist in a movie without having lousy character development, plus 2 sinister 6 villains have already been in spider-man films. One has turned himself into the police and decided to be a good person, having being forgiven by spider-man. The other has also found peace with spider-man and to a more (apparently) arguable extent died.
If sandman and doc ock come back, that will make all the lessons learned in those movies totally obsolete. those villains were there to help peter learn a lesson, whether it be forgiveness or balance of duty and a normal life. Plus, what would be the motivation if they did randomly go evil again?
And more importantly, what emotional conflict would they represent for peter?

 

[Blader5489]

A Sinister Six film can work, but only if:

A) They change the roster; and
B) They take the X-Men approach to multiple villains (i.e. making them into minions more than full-fledged characters)

 

[Venom 1988]

I mean, spider-man 3 taught us that 3 villains cannot coexist in a movie without having lousy character development,

I'll say this once and I'll say it again, its all in the writing (hell Batman Begins has 5 villains and that was damn good movie). You can easily have a good spidey movie with multipe villains as long as the script is good, doesnt seem congested and has a nice flow

plus 2 sinister 6 villains have already been in spider-man films. One has turned himself into the police and decided to be a good person, having being forgiven by spider-man. The other has also found peace with spider-man and to a more (apparently) arguable extent died.
If sandman and doc ock come back, that will make all the lessons learned in those movies totally obsolete. those villains were there to help peter learn a lesson, whether it be forgiveness or balance of duty and a normal life. Plus, what would be the motivation if they did randomly go evil again?
And more importantly, what emotional conflict would they represent for peter?

You dont have to have the same exact roster, sure have a couple of the classic villains but switch it up a bit.

Sandman returning is easy. Just have him return as a villain like he did in the comics, by being blackmailed. Have the leader of the sinister six kidnap and threaten to kill his family if he doesnt become part of the team. Later on in the movie(realzing the leader wasent going to keep his promise about his family or I dunno whatever), Sandman tries to make ammends for helping the six and helps out Spidey.
As for Doc Ock returning, I agree I cant really think of a good way to bring him back without defeating the purpose of the second movie.

A Sinister Six film can work, but only if:

A) They change the roster; and
B) They take the X-Men approach to multiple villains (i.e. making them into minions more than full-fledged characters)

I agree except, there has to be at least 2 or 3 of the villains with character development. I dont want to see a team of just 6 thugs and minions with no story.

 

[BlackSuitSpidey]

They would have to inroduce more villains in the movies and I don't know if it could work.

 

[SodaPop]

it could work as the 6th movie(no pun intended). they could set up storylines in 4&5 and then in number 6 have it be one major fight and not have to worry about character development.

 

[Da Games Elite]

It can be done if done sort of like the X-Men mixed with a bit of character set up and development. It would be a great finale. Maybe Venom could be thrown in to replace one of the villains, as he was a member at one point. Throw in Sandman by being blackmailed or forced into joining. Have Mysterio lead it, perhaps. Maybe we could have Venom kill Sandman like he tried to do in the comics, lol!

 

[Venom 1988]

No keep Venom dead

 

[shogunrua]

as I already said in another thread, it could work on the last movie by bringing up villains that haven't been killed (and for that to work, keep Raimi out of directing duties...), ok it would only be eye candy because it would be hard to make all those 6 villains go through a change during the course of the movie. So it would be like X-Men 3 as someone already said (but not as the way as he saw it), a great finale with a lto of villains but not a lot of character development (And for the final battle I must say Spidey's victory would certainly come for internal struggle in the sinister 6...because 6 villlains at full potential, it wouldn't be believable...) but it's just my opinion guys.

 

[WalterKovacs]

OK, so you develop all 6 characters in 5 and 4. then what do you do? wouldn't that leave 6 to be a 2 1/2 hour fight scene? because what the villains do needs to have to do with the story.

UNLESS...

You stretch out a story over 3 films IE LOTR or Star wars.
That being said, I myself question if there are any decent stories to tell left, let alone one so epic it takes 5 hours to do so. What stories would you guys put in a sequel? Remember, they need to be an emotional struggle for Peter Parker that relates to his personal life and is then echoed with the villain(s)

 

[ThatDamnNinja]

You don't develop all six characters over the course of the previous films... and you don't have six throwaway characters.

You have two throwaway minion type villains.

You have two villains developed and introduced in the previous films.

And you have two new marquee villains.

That's six.

Two of the characters will the main villains. That will probably be one that was introduced in 5, and one new one.

 

[Da Games Elite]

You don't develop all six characters over the course of the previous films... and you don't have six throwaway characters.

You have two throwaway minion type villains.

You have two villains developed and introduced in the previous films.

And you have two new marquee villains.

That's six.

Two of the characters will the main villains. That will probably be one that was introduced in 5, and one new one.

Two Minions - Electro and Vulture

Markee - Sandman and Kraven

Leaders - Mysterio and ???

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

It could defenitley work. Establish some (if not all) the Villians from the Sinister Six so that we know that those Villians are out to get revenge on Spidey and some are introduced. Though, I think they could establish the Villians from the original Sinister Six in 4 and 5, along with having the Lizard in Spidey4 (he's not part of the Sinister Six though, but he's a must have for a Spidey film).

 

[Venom 1988]

Yea I agree with ThatDamnNinja's post

Markee - Sandman

Ahem, Sandman would be previously established

And you have two new marquee villains.

 

[Chris B]

I think it could work, but I wouldn't want to see it happen any earilier than Spider-Man 6. I would want to see the classic line-up. I think you could plausibly bring back Doc Ock, and as a lot of people have said in that past, explain that he had suffered brain damage as for why he has return to being a villain. As Ultimate_Venom has already said, Sandman could be blackmailed onto the team.

Using the classic line-up is one reason why I hope Spider-Man 4 and 5 include Kraven and Mysterio, respectively. That way by the time part six rolls around, they will have already established four of the members and only have to introduce Electro and the Vulture.

 

[chaseter]

I have said for a long time that SM6 should be the Sinister Six. I think it can work and I hope it does because that would be a great end for a great movie franchise.

 

[Mr Jide]

A S6 movie can work on the grounds that, the story is the overall basis spread over 3 films, having the members of the s6 being developed during the course of said 3 films. In a nutshell it should be handled the way LOTR was handled in telling the overall story over 3 movies.

 

[GoldGoblin]

If you want character development for each villain ,then some of the characters that have already been in all three movies would have to be turned into villains.

Like:
1.John Jameson: Man-Wolf
2.Dr.Connors:The Lizard
3.Betty Brant:She could be Chameleon in one of her disguises.
4.Bruce Campbell:Mysterio
5.JJJ:The Beetle
6.And this could be a new character who is introduced,like Mr. Ditkovich's son who is Kraven.

 

[Kaizer104]

The only real way to make the Sinister Six work properly is to have it watered down a LOT. And by that, I mean the removal of major Six villains such as Electro, Mysterio, etc.

Doc Ock is dead; bringing him back would tarnish his character from Spider-Man 2.

Sandman joining the S6 has absolutely no basis since he's a "good guy"; he only committed crimes to save his daughter and by the time of the 4th Spider-Man movie (based on movie-chronology) she's probably dead by now.

Even Shocker would be a weird entry into this. Even though he works as a partner with some villains, he's still got a bit too much going for him to be degraded into such an extremely minor character. As minor a character as he is, he's actually quite popular with people. I could see him as a minion or secondary villain, but not as a character who works SOLELY as a team player.

Chameleon would have to be watered down to just being a "master of disguise" type deal where he can professionally imitate people and disguise himself.

It's extremely hard to develop 6 villains within 1 movie; and that seems to be how Spider-Man movies work. They bring out the villains in 1 film with a substory to go along with it. The Goblins fit the movies because they had close relations to Peter that slowly dissolved and reworked themselves. Doc Ock, Venom and Sandman have relation (although minor) to Peter and they fit into one film (no matter how lacking they might seem sometimes).

Spanning the Sinister Six across multiple films would bore audiences because they expect to see different villains in the films based on the first 3 movies' standards. That's what I got as the most prominent answer when talking to people on campus about it (hell, random passerby's chimed in and said the same type of thing).

 

[chaseter]

If you want character development for each villain ,then some of the characters that have already been in all three movies would have to be turned into villains.

Like:
1.John Jameson: Man-Wolf
2.Dr.Connors:The Lizard
3.Betty Brant:She could be Chameleon in one of her disguises.
4.Bruce Campbell:Mysterio
5.JJJ:The Beetle
6.And this could be a new character who is introduced,like Mr. Ditkovich's son who is Kraven.

1. No to Man-Wolf
2. Yea but if he is in 4, then I think he arc will be done
3. No
4. Yes
5. No
6. No to being related to Ditkovich.

 

[DACrowe]

Can a sinister Six work?

NO.

I mean 3 villains didn't work, a single team up between two villains was cheesy and lame....so no more. I do want two villains SM4 (Lizard and Kraven) but they would not team up to "kill the spider," but instead Spider would be caught in the middle of protecting one rampaging mankiller Lizard from an deranged extremely badass hunter. A littlem ore original than superhero movies before.

No more team ups, and six would just suck....really suck. But hey if the series gets desperate in the fifth or sixth installment, it will probably happen. Can't be any worse than bringing Venom back or introducing Carnage I guess.

 

[Tempest19]

Think of a Die Hard film with supervillains and you've more or less got a Sinister Six film. Not every villain would need to be fleshed out. It would also be a different genre and tone than the rest, a straight up action movie.

 

[ThatDamnNinja]

My thoughts:

Hobgoblin (Leader)
Electro
Mysterio
Vulture
Rhino
Shocker

Hobgoblin would have been developed through the previous films as an evil coporate bastard, Mysterio would have survived as a villain from the previous film, Shocker and Rhino would be thugs, and Electro and Vulture would be the newly introduced marquee villains, with Electro being the main dramatic focus, and the one that the audience is supposed to most sympathize with (not in a Sandman-style "good-guy-with-bad-luck" way, but in a "truly-messed-up-person-in-need-of-help" "danger-to-himself-and-others" sort of way). Also, he is by far the most dangerous of the six, so he would sort of be their secret weapon.

Now this is obviously not the ideal Sinister Six lineup. I mean, no Kraven, no Sandman, no Ock. But to be honest, I don't think that it could work with the three of them. Kraven could only be reasonably expected to die in the 4th film if he's in it, having Ock would defeat the purpose of the ending of 2, and having Sandman, though feasibly possible, would be impossible to have without making Sandman dramatic focus again. I mean, a character can't essentially redeem himself and then come back as a villain again without having that take up a big chunk of the screen time (in pretty much a rehash of the dramatic conflict from the 3rd movie), and frankly, I think the dramatic focus needs to go to new characters.

I think this line-up, although not nearly up to par with the classic line-up, is the best that could reasonably be expected to work.

Oh, and it wouldn't have a "team-up" feel. I hate supervillain "team-ups." It would definately be a loosely-connected band of misfits manipulated by Hobgoblin for his own purposes, and whatever alliance they have feels like it could burst at the seams at any moment. Since they're so powerful, though, and there's six of them, the plot would probably have something to do with them essentially hijacking New York, or at least a part of it, and holding it hostage for some reason.

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

No,the story would be too mucked.The villains would not get enough time on screen,or develop enough.

 

[GoldGoblin]

Think of a Die Hard film with supervillains and you've more or less got a Sinister Six film. Not every villain would need to be fleshed out. It would also be a different genre and tone than the rest, a straight up action movie.

^

 

[TomPiltoff]

IMO there's no way it could work.

The great thing (to me) about the Spider-Man movies is that they take just one or two really extraordinary concepts and force them into the real world.

I accepted the way a character like Dr. Octopus was fleshed out into the real world because everything else seemed reasonable.

There's simply no way I can accept SIX different supervillains fighting Spider-Man. It's just too out there.