Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Coulson Lives! (the Clark Gregg aka Phil Coulson thread)

I don't think you're reading too much into it. At all.

I think the "inhuman" comment, taken with the "III" planet (Earth) iconography, and the starburst in space, all point towards the Kree and Inhumans, as jaqua and others surmise. I'm not entirely sure the implication is actually that Coulson is Mar-Vell, but I'd be willing to bet anything that he's Kree and/or Inhuman, and has no knowledge of his alien past. It would explain why Fury would be so desperate to resurrect him, and could probably explain some other Coulson mysteries. Remember, SHIELD is still rumored to be using Rhomann Dey as a liaison with Nova Corps in GOTG (a pretty wild rumor; but it came from the same source that accurately leaked that John C. Reilley would be playing that role), so odds are that SHIELD and Fury have a fairly long-running association with aliens (I believe SWORD was even referenced in a recent AOS episode).

In other words, I think Coulson is Kree or Inhuman, but he might not be a canonical comic-book character; rather an original one.

 

They could be setting some Kree stuff up here and in Cap2 to lead into GotG as well since they'll be involved in that as well.

 

Gregg was talking about the episode satisfying fans and it seems to have done just that

 

What makes things tough to tease out is that, at least as I read the episode? SHIELD didn't do "a" thing to bring Coulson back from the dead. They did a *lot* of *different* things, which eventually did the job. . . with much failure and suffering and side effects in the interim. I think Fury basically cracked open the mad science closet and said "use whatever we've run across that has a chance of working".

 

Gah, I still can't get over how great and yet so sad Coulson's scenes were within our last episode. Talk about adding a whole new set of layers for the character who's normally known for being calm within several tense situations.

 

I'm afraid thats a wait and see since it seems over here in the UK we won't be seeing that episode or any others for maybe a couple of months.

Is there anyone else who has watched this and can also claim to be satisfied with that episode?

 

That's right. You can poke around the brain all you want, it won't feel a thing. However everything surrounding the brain (skin, muscle, nerves, etc) will and that's where the pain comes in.

His pain would be an open skull with all that missing. And whatever else they did to his body during the previous procedures.

 

If you can't wait there are other means (I'm in the Uk as well, I'm an impatient bugger, so I use them, lol), and yes, I was satisfied by the episode. It doesn't reveal everything, but it sets things up so future reveals could be very interesting.

 

Plus the 'can you feel that?' thing from the woman doctor when prodding him. Looks like they had him on no anaesthetic to make sure his nervous system was working right. Also while its not technically the brain feeling pain, it can feel like it is under certain conditions (migraines for example, and tumors can cause intense pain within the head due to pressure and so on). Given the 'catastrophic' damage his brain had suffered its not a leap to assume that machine's fiddling about was also causing feelings of intense agony within his mind even if it was not real pain.

 

Migraines are neurological, not physical (headaches aren't the same and come from pain-sensing structures around the brain like the eyes [eye strain], sinuses [blocked or sensitive mucus membranes], muscle, veins, arteries etc), and tumors press on the skull, which in turn presses on everything around that (much like a headache, which tumors sometimes can cause).

When you have a migrane it's literally in your head (which isn't to say they can't be triggered but it isn't a physical reaction like a headache). With a headache, it's not the brain that "hurts" it's the tissue surrounding it. Eye strain is one cause of headaches which I get. There's also strained muscles or awkward postures and a number of other things like infections that can cause headaches.

Much like when someone has a heart attack they don't always feel the pain in their heart but in the general chest area or their left arm, you can have a headache that feels like the brain is hurting. The heart can actually feel pain but it's so rare the brain reacts by generalizing it to the chest. With headaches and migraines it's similar in that the head or a specific part of the head hurts, including the brain.

 

Yup. And the doctor at the end said the 'neurological damage' to his brain was 'catastrophic'. Under those conditions him being in utter agony with that thing fiddling away on his gray matter is no big leap at all.

 

so, basically they turned Coulson into Frankenstein's monster...

do I smell a Howling Commando monsters, spin off




is Ward going to turn into a Werewolf next.... bring on Man-Thing

 

With the brain damage, you can rule out a clone .

 

Unless Killian's Extremis could regrow his own head/brain after severe trauma...And Killian knows far more about the brain than he showed Pepper.

What if they re-grew the brain from scratch, from earlier samples, and hacked the code stored in his DNA to simply force the body to grow a new one... Then transferred consciousness back in. Did anyone else catch what Coulson first said when Raina asked about his memories, about a sports game that happened a long time ago or something?

If they can't force his brain to regenerate and regrow by hacking his genetic memory, then I have a feeling Killian can't regrow his brain either...
When Killian's head exploded, he might have had to re-grow parts of his brain, to even retain his Killian personality...Extremis might be much more complicated than we know, and the chip had to be inserted into the brain of subjects, so that Killian would be able to regrow his head and mind....

Killian knows what every area of the brain does, and is very involved with brain science by now...There are subtle hints to this in IM3.

If Coulson and Mike are supposed to be twins, and Mike is supposed to have some Extremis in him, why can't Mike just re-grow his limbs now?
Guess he doesn't have fire resistant platelets yet.
Killian could breathe fire. Rhodey was right to be alarmed. This should have burnt his cells past the ability to regenerate on their own.

Maybe Coulson and Mike are twins in the way they both have had serum and Extremis used on them...as well as either Alpha, beta, or gamma rays, And are a mixture of different "things".

 

am I the only one who thinks he should have been kept dead

 

Akela Amador also cut a man's hand off and in the same episode Simmons pulled out Amador's eyeball and snipped it off at the roots. AOS does not shy away from gore.

From the way Coulson was impaled I assumed that some of that "catastrophic" neurological damage was to his spinal cord. After he slid to the floor in TA the only parts of his body he ever moved were one hand and his head. His legs stayed where they were. I inferred from that that he might have been paralyzed from the waist down after he was stabbed.

Yes.

 

The morning after that show aired I had to go to my ophthalmologist to have injections in my eye. Because I am resistant to the anesthesia used I always feel the syringe going in... and coming out. Needless to say, those scenes were disturbing. When I rewatched it I skipped that part.

 

Well, the heart is off centre in our bodies so the spearhead need not have severed his spine (they said his heart was wrecked so we know it was pierced by the thing). The Doctor could have been referring spinal damage, but given that the brain is the first thing to suffer irreparable damage after death I took his 'catastrophic' line as referring to that.

Atm, and imo I'd stress, Clark Cregg is carrying the show. He can do affable charm in his sleep and was great at showing his torment over his lost Cellist before deciding to jump in the machine, and his thinly veiled fury at the end in the last episode.

Should he have stayed dead? Well, maybe...I prefer to see what the pay off is with the eventual full reveal of what went down and why.

 

....Hey, where IS Blade for that matter?
Is he he under Marvel?

 

Screen Rant has posted some speculation about Coulson's resurrection and the real reason behind it that will warm the hearts of Captain Marvel fans (esp. jaqua).

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: What’s Special About Agent Coulson?

Agents of SHIELD: 10 Theories For How Coulson Returned From The Dead

This writer is an independent source for the "Coulson-is-Mar-Vell" rumor and a Marvel rep's reaction to it. (Please be true! Please be true! Please be true!) Ahem. Anyhow, it's a very intriguing possibility, though if Coulson is alien or part alien it seems likelier that he would be another Kree, one less well-known or created for the show. Way back when some of us speculated that "Phillip Coulson" is a similar name to "Walter Lawson," Mar-Vell's alter ego when he was spying on NASA. (It really isn't but logic never gets in the way of good spec.) Someone said that maybe Phil is Mar-Vell's son. Coulson, Son of Coul, Son of the Kree?

Fans are nuts some times.

 

Coulson is Thor's other brother, Balder t:

 

I'm cool with Coulson being a super or alien, but he doesn't know it. But I'm equally fine with him just being good old Phil.

It seems in the last episode he's clearly upset about his parents deaths, so if Phil was just a undercover alien that wouldn't make much sense and/or he wouldn't have actually experienced those things. Unless he was an alien born baby that was then adopted and never told?

Holy ****!! Coulson is SuperMan!!!