Cure For Late Comics!!

[deemar325]

I think lateness on all books could be done away with by using these simple rules..

1) Any new ongoing should not be solicted until the creative team have at least 12 issues in the can ready to go.

2) If your knowingly gonna put a slow creative team on a book, use two regular artists who will switch out art chores every arc.

3) No mini-series should be solicted until all issues are finished, no teases, no preview art hold off until it's all done. Fans can't fiend over something they don't know is coming.

4) If a writer is falling behind on scripts or is only able too commit to a limited run, but his/her presence is crucial to the books success then use a co-writer from the start or let another writer of high quality work off plots/story arcs outlined by the writer who's late or leaving. (Daredevil hand-off between BMB and Brubaker is an example.)

5) Know your talent. If you know a guy like Bryan Hitch can only produce 6-8 issues a year, then don't offer him ongoing series unless you plan to use rule #1. If you got guys like Mark Bagley and John Romita Jr. who can pump out over 12 issues a year or handle two ongoings without breaking a sweat and still maintain quality art, first off double their pay and second keep them on your top tier ongoings.


Feel free to shoot me down or praise my genius!!!!

 

[Horrorfan]

I think lateness on all books could be done away with by using these simple rules..

1) Any new ongoing should not be solicted until the creative team have at least 12 issues in the can ready to go.

2) If your knowingly gonna put a slow creative team on a book, use two regular artists who will switch out art chores every arc.

3) No mini-series should be solicted until all issues are finished, no teases, no preview art hold off until it's all done. Fans can't fiend over something they don't know is coming.

4) If a writer is falling behind on scripts or is only able too commit to a limited run, but his/her presence is crucial to the books success then use a co-writer from the start or let another writer of high quality work off plots/story arcs outlined by the writer who's late or leaving. (Daredevil hand-off between BMB and Brubaker is an example.)

5) Know your talent. If you know a guy like Bryan Hitch can only produce 6-8 issues a year, then don't offer him ongoing series unless you plan to use rule #1. If you got guys like Mark Bagley and John Romita Jr. who can pump out over 12 issues a year or handle two ongoings without breaking a sweat and still maintain quality art, first off double their pay and second keep them on your top tier ongoings.


Feel free to shoot me down or praise my genius!!!!

Some great ideas there.

I used to wonder why marvel didn't do this...especially for something like wolvie vs hulk which uses talent who see comics as a hobbie. If released when finished as a trade it would have still sold bucket loads but had none of the bad press and stink about lateness.

I wouldn't mind all comics being brought out as trades actually....each arc as a graphic novel, and a couple of one shots maybe.

 

[roach]

Because at Marvel it's talent over characters...dont want to piss off that tv writer by having the book continue with out him so the book goes on hiatus. I wonder what would have happened if Marvel did that when Stan Lee left Spider-man????
but how can JQ blast anyone for lateness when his own books are late???

 

[Doc Destruction]

I'm sorry, logic is not allowed in these forums. Please change your topic to include a vs. fight, gushing over New Avengers or half naked women of Marvel.

Thank you.

(for the record, I agree 100%. If 52 can do it, any freaking one can)

 

[Darthphere]

Ha-ha, the "writers of 52" arent even the ones writing it. [/conspiracy]

 

[Darthphere]

I think lateness on all books could be done away with by using these simple rules..

1) Any new ongoing should not be solicted until the creative team have at least 12 issues in the can ready to go.

2) If your knowingly gonna put a slow creative team on a book, use two regular artists who will switch out art chores every arc.

3) No mini-series should be solicted until all issues are finished, no teases, no preview art hold off until it's all done. Fans can't fiend over something they don't know is coming.

4) If a writer is falling behind on scripts or is only able too commit to a limited run, but his/her presence is crucial to the books success then use a co-writer from the start or let another writer of high quality work off plots/story arcs outlined by the writer who's late or leaving. (Daredevil hand-off between BMB and Brubaker is an example.)

5) Know your talent. If you know a guy like Bryan Hitch can only produce 6-8 issues a year, then don't offer him ongoing series unless you plan to use rule #1. If you got guys like Mark Bagley and John Romita Jr. who can pump out over 12 issues a year or handle two ongoings without breaking a sweat and still maintain quality art, first off double their pay and second keep them on your top tier ongoings.


Feel free to shoot me down or praise my genius!!!!

This whole argument came from the Young Avengers lateness, explain to me how theyre not following rule #1 at this point? And keep in mind, Joey Q has only talked about YA after being asked about YA.

 

[roach]

This whole argument came from the Young Avengers lateness, explain to me how theyre not following rule #1 at this point? And keep in mind, Joey Q has only talked about YA after being asked about YA.

are they the only ones who can write YA??????????

 

[Darthphere]

are they the only ones who can write YA??????????

Can, no. Would I want someone else writing it, no. And thats not answering my question, thats a deflection warping the question into something else.

 

[roach]

well they are following number one

 

[Varient]

I think lateness on all books could be done away with by using these simple rules..

1) Any new ongoing should not be solicted until the creative team have at least 12 issues in the can ready to go.

2) If your knowingly gonna put a slow creative team on a book, use two regular artists who will switch out art chores every arc.

3) No mini-series should be solicted until all issues are finished, no teases, no preview art hold off until it's all done. Fans can't fiend over something they don't know is coming.

4) If a writer is falling behind on scripts or is only able too commit to a limited run, but his/her presence is crucial to the books success then use a co-writer from the start or let another writer of high quality work off plots/story arcs outlined by the writer who's late or leaving. (Daredevil hand-off between BMB and Brubaker is an example.)

5) Know your talent. If you know a guy like Bryan Hitch can only produce 6-8 issues a year, then don't offer him ongoing series unless you plan to use rule #1. If you got guys like Mark Bagley and John Romita Jr. who can pump out over 12 issues a year or handle two ongoings without breaking a sweat and still maintain quality art, first off double their pay and second keep them on your top tier ongoings.


Feel free to shoot me down or praise my genius!!!!

Praise.
Nuff said.

 

[Anubis]

I agree with everything you said D. It seems so simple, but they would never do this.

 

[CConn]

It seems a bit overkill; it would probably cost the publisher a chunk of change...at least initially; it sorta prevents bad creative teams from being removed from titles quickly - but yeah, it's certainly better than waiting 6 months for an issue of The Ultimates or something.

 

[roach]

It seems a bit overkill; it would probably cost the publisher a chunk of change...at least initially; it sorta prevents bad creative teams from being removed from titles quickly - but yeah, it's certainly better than waiting 6 months for an issue of The Ultimates or something.

yeah it'll cost but how much money is marvel potentially losing with late books

 

[Darthphere]

None.

 

[roach]

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight

 

[Darthphere]

Ultimates still sells like hotcakes, Civil War still sold like hotcakes. And im willing to bet Ultimate Wolverine vs Hulk #3 will sell like hotcakes if it ever comes out.

 

[roach]

Ultimates still sells like hotcakes, Civil War still sold like hotcakes. And im willing to bet Ultimate Wolverine vs Hulk #3 will sell like hotcakes if it ever comes out.

im not saying that the books wont sell really well but you have to acknowledge that there will be someone people who have dropped a series because of lateness. When I was buying comics I was getting Astonishing. When it started being late it was a chore to read because I had to go find the issue before it to figure out what was going on. When it began to be really late I just stopped looking for it until one day I noticed i wasnt even interested in it anymore. Now I admit that I am a unique individual but there has to be someone out there who just like me drops books when they become late. Is the money Marvel is losing from Civil War being late gonna send them under...no...but it's still money they arent making.

 

[Darthphere]

Not knowing how much it would cost to implement Deemar's plan, I dont think its fair to make the assumption that theyre losing more money on late books that how much it would cost to take all those steps to ensure no lateness.

 

[Doc Destruction]

One good example of lateness killing a book - Evil That Men Do. I'm not sure ANYONE cared when that came out. Secret War took a beating too, if I remember right.

 

[Darthphere]

Evil that Men Do is an extreme example. And Im not sure about Secret War sales numbers.

 

[Doc Destruction]

I bet the TPB did far better than the series. Hell, if I had known, I would have waited, too. And Ultimate Hulk/Wolverine is getting close to ETMD levels of lateness.

 

[deemar325]

Some great ideas there.

I used to wonder why marvel didn't do this...especially for something like wolvie vs hulk which uses talent who see comics as a hobbie. If released when finished as a trade it would have still sold bucket loads but had none of the bad press and stink about lateness.

I wouldn't mind all comics being brought out as trades actually....each arc as a graphic novel, and a couple of one shots maybe.

I wished they would consider my ideas although it's unlikely their listening.

 

[deemar325]

I'm sorry, logic is not allowed in these forums. Please change your topic to include a vs. fight, gushing over New Avengers or half naked women of Marvel.

Thank you.

(for the record, I agree 100%. If 52 can do it, any freaking one can)

Heh! Sorry

 

[deemar325]

This whole argument came from the Young Avengers lateness, explain to me how theyre not following rule #1 at this point? And keep in mind, Joey Q has only talked about YA after being asked about YA.

My ideas would be used to various degrees, if rule one didn't work try another one, either way from the start a good editor would realize "Hey this guy we hired is a t.v./movie writer, this is most likely a hobbie to him and secondary to his primary source of income. So I should put him on a mini-series using rule #3 or teaming him up with a co-writer."

See it's not hard my rules covers all bases more or less.

 

[deemar325]

I agree with everything you said D. It seems so simple, but they would never do this.

Nope, it's using common sense we can't have that.