CW's airport battle vs BvS' Batman and Superman fight

[A Necessary Evil]

Is it me, or Snyder stole a scene from The Incredible Hulk, where Superman destroys sound cannons?

You're not wrong.

 

[Greens]

Neither blew my socks off to be honest.

 

[jmc]

Both battles have the problem of halting the movie for a good 10 mins to engage in a hero battle. Both battles are more or less unnecessary. The difference with Civil War is even though it pauses the narrative the battle still makes sense within the context of the story and sets up the finale between IM and Cap, which is where the emotional stakes of the movie come to their conclusion.

Problem with BvS is that that battle ensues for reasons that are not that logical. Superman has to save his mother yet stops for 10 mins to partake in a fight he doesn't have time for. It's a flaw in the story that I've never seen anyone actually justify. Worst of all the fight serves no real purpose for the relationship, or lack there of, between Superman and Batman.

 

[Samuron]

Is it me, or Snyder stole a scene from The Incredible Hulk, where Superman destroys sound cannons?.

You're not wrong.

Never caught that before, but yep.

 

[Erzengel]

The real comparison/poll should be - Iron Man vs Captain America/Bucky & Batman vs Superman, then perhaps Civil War Airport Battle vs Doomsday Battle. Those are the scenes that are more comparable IMO.

Personally, I don't think the BvS fight could beat IM vs. Cap & Bucky on here.

Same thing with the Doomsday vs. Airport battle.

 

[Timebomb]

The only fight that I actually care for in BVS is the warehouse fight. It's a brutal Batman fight scene that we all probably hoped to see one day. Unfortunately it's tainted by all the killing and superhuman acts of strength. It basically got snyderized.

 

[Samuron]

The only fight that I actually care for in BVS is the warehouse fight. It's a brutal Batman fight scene that we all probably hoped to see one day. Unfortunately it's tainted by all the killing and superhuman acts of strength. It basically got snyderized.

The one that really messes it up that scene for me is when he throws the crate; it just looks fake, never mind the obvious kill.

 

[Grommers]

Both battles have the problem of halting the movie for a good 10 mins to engage in a hero battle. Both battles are more or less unnecessary. The difference with Civil War is even though it pauses the narrative the battle still makes sense within the context of the story and sets up the finale between IM and Cap, which is where the emotional stakes of the movie come to their conclusion.

Problem with BvS is that that battle ensues for reasons that are not that logical. Superman has to save his mother yet stops for 10 mins to partake in a fight he doesn't have time for. It's a flaw in the story that I've never seen anyone actually justify. Worst of all the fight serves no real purpose for the relationship, or lack there of, between Superman and Batman.

I feel you didn't even watch either movie.

Civil War's "airport" scene was probably one of my most hated scenes in all the marvel universe with the exception of Spider-man.

You now have a bunch of heroes, who aren't really fighting but showing off there powers as there isn't really any intention to hurt each other, but just slow each other down and to cap it all off, you have black widow switch sides anyways at the end because "its in character", which shows no real motivation to the fight in the first place.

It was beyond a disappointment, and a disgrace to the name "Civil War"

Now, B vs S, Batman vs Superman fight scene, was equally troubling - however only for the sheer reason, we have a murderous batman trying to kill superman.

Had they played it much closer to how the dark knight returns in the realization that Bruce just wanted to show Superman who the numero uno is, it would have at least had a good ending.

But at least they were fighting with purpose..there was legit none in Civil War, it was a fight scene that was beyond forced, a hero display, and not even a resemblence to what the comic stood for.

 

[Batmannerism]

Forget the "plot induced stupidity". Forget the ridiculous Martha moment.

Just on a purely visual and visceral level, the Batman vs Superman fight was hugely underwhelming. It was just so pedestrian and unimaginative and boring. There wasn't even a great "money shot" moment. The only good part of it was when Batman was punching Superman then the Kryptonite wore off.

The airport fight was kinda corny and a bit contrived. But it had heaps of imagination and some great individual character moments to go along with the visuals.

The best action scene out of both movies was Stark vs Rogers and Bucky though. Visually and emotionally engaging.

Agree with all of that 100%.

 

[Samuron]

there isn't really any intention to hurt each other

Because it was an "arrest" scene, not a duel to the death.

It was beyond a disappointment, and a disgrace to the name "Civil War"

Sorry to hear that your blood-lust was unsated.

 

[The Joker]

I feel you didn't even watch either movie.

After reading your post I think you're the one guilty of that. Case in point;

Civil War's "airport" scene was probably one of my most hated scenes in all the marvel universe with the exception of Spider-man.

You now have a bunch of heroes, who aren't really fighting but showing off there powers as there isn't really any intention to hurt each other, but just slow each other down and to cap it all off, you have black widow switch sides anyways at the end because "its in character", which shows no real motivation to the fight in the first place.

It was beyond a disappointment, and a disgrace to the name "Civil War"

You obviously didn't watch the movie, because if you did you'd know Stark begged General Ross to give him 36 hours to bring in Cap before the Government goes and hunts him down using lethal force.

This was not a show off of powers. This was allies and friends trying to bring in other allies and friends without killing them, and getting them to comply with the Government's ruling before their outlaw status does further damage to their name, and the Avengers name. Not to mention costs them their lives.

Now, B vs S, Batman vs Superman fight scene, was equally troubling - however only for the sheer reason, we have a murderous batman trying to kill superman.

Had they played it much closer to how the dark knight returns in the realization that Bruce just wanted to show Superman who the numero uno is, it would have at least had a good ending.

But at least they were fighting with purpose..there was legit none in Civil War, it was a fight scene that was beyond forced, a hero display, and not even a resemblence to what the comic stood for.

This is all wrong. There was no purpose to the BvS fight. Batman was trying to kill Superman for reasons that were beyond idiotic - "If there's even a 1% chance he could kill us all we must kill him". That's brilliant logic there. Everyone and their mother is trying to tell Bruce Superman is a hero, even trusty Alfred, but Batman ignores logic in favor of that dumb ass 1% chance belief. They don't even touch the greatness of their fight in the DKR comic where Superman was working for the Government trying to shut Batman down, and neither one of them were misguided by being insane or having their strings pulled by a cartoonish muppet like Eisen Lex.

There was nothing logical at stake here. This was not friends trying to stop other friends from getting themselves killed or their good superhero name more damage. This was not one friend trying to shut down another friend by order of the President because he's an outlaw vigilante. This was a homicidal idiot in a mask trying to murder someone who is blatantly a hero and saved countless human lives.

But it's ok, he snaps out of it because Superman's mom has the same name as his.

 

[Timebomb]

Well said Joker and accurate.

 

[Erzengel]

But, PTSD.

 

[B]

Personally, I don't think the BvS fight could beat IM vs. Cap & Bucky on here.

Same thing with the Doomsday vs. Airport battle.

IM vs Cap/Bucky was the best fight/action scene in CW & is easily better than Batman vs Superman's fight IMO.

The CW Airport battle, to each their own, I didn't care for it at all. The same with the Doomsday battle, didn't really care for that either. Both had a 'cool factor' in the sense that it's cool to see some iconic characters either scrapping among themselves or coming together to fight an iconic villian. Aside from that, neither the Airport nor Doomsday battle were good or memorable in either film.

 

[B]

This is all wrong. There was no purpose to the BvS fight. Batman was trying to kill Superman for reasons that were beyond idiotic - "If there's even a 1% chance he could kill us all we must kill him". That's brilliant logic there. Everyone and their mother is trying to tell Bruce Superman is a hero, even trusty Alfred, but Batman ignores logic in favor of that dumb ass 1% chance belief. They don't even touch the greatness of their fight in the DKR comic where Superman was working for the Government trying to shut Batman down, and neither one of them were misguided by being insane or having their strings pulled by a cartoonish muppet like Eisen Lex.

There was nothing logical at stake here. This was not friends trying to stop other friends from getting themselves killed or their good superhero name more damage. This was not one friend trying to shut down another friend by order of the President because he's an outlaw vigilante. This was a homicidal idiot in a mask trying to murder someone who is blatantly a hero and saved countless human lives.

But it's ok, he snaps out of it because Superman's mom has the same name as his.

It's a little ironic that I've to quote this piece given you are accusing someone of not watching the movie, but the logic & reasoning behind Bruce's reasons for wanting to challenge or stop Superman are quite good & set up the conflict quite well IMO.

He doesn't know Superman, sure he might see him save a few people from burning buildings or a shuttle launch failure, but also saw the sheer destruction, despair & thousands of deaths in person caused by the World Engine & then Zod/Superman's battle which ripped Metropolis in half not to mention ended in Superman killing Zod. You then had Riddlex poking & prodding him, combined with his own experiences as Batman which he mentions in the argument with Alfred regarding good guys & how long they stayed good. I think you're completely wrong that his reasons were idiotic with little logic.

I agree with you that it was moronic for him to stop simply because his mother has the same name as Superman, well not so much moronic, it just wasn't executed well either vocally or visually. Also the fact he wanted to kill/destroy Superman when, while having seen the potential destruction he could cause, he hadn't done anything to provoke or push him over the edge within the movie itself up until the confrontation was too cold for the Batman character.. incapacitating him and/or giving him a whopping should have been his goal like TDKR.

 

[Timebomb]

But, PTSD.

Oh yeah, that's right. I keep forgetting.

 

[The Joker]

It's a little ironic that I've to quote this piece given you are accusing someone of not watching the movie, but the logic & reasoning behind Bruce's reasons for wanting to challenge or stop Superman are quite good & set up the conflict quite well IMO.

How is that an irony? Just because you think it was well set up?

He doesn't know Superman, sure he might see him save a few people from burning buildings or a shuttle launch failure, but also saw the sheer destruction, despair & thousands of deaths in person caused by the World Engine & then Zod/Superman's battle which ripped Metropolis in half not to mention ended in Superman killing Zod. You then had Riddlex poking & prodding him, combined with his own experiences as Batman which he mentions in the argument with Alfred regarding good guys & how long they stayed good. I think you're completely wrong that his reasons were idiotic with little logic.

He doesn't see Superman "save a few people". Superman is seen saving millions of people all over the world. From little catastrophes to major disasters. He's saved countless lives. It's well documented. It's why the world worships him. It's why there's a statue of him etc.

Batman's own experiences about good guys turning bad shouldn't mean that he taints everyone with the same brush. Does that mean he shouldn't trust Commissioner Gordon? Or Alfred? They could turn bad just because he's seen it happen with other people. There's no logic here with Batman's thought process. He's thinking like an idiot.

 

[Thundercrack85]

The airport battle was a lot more entertaining.

But it's kind of an unfair comparison. DC would have to have like a dozen heroes go at it, before it's an equal comparison.

 

[jmc]

Both characters have extremely bad logic in BvS. The thing that makes the BvS fight pointless is it was preventable. For Civil War once Barnes became the focal point of the story there was always going to be conflict between IM and Cap. Superman could have stopped his fight with Batman, he chose to engage, all the while Ma Kent is being held hostage and it about to be killed. No, by all means Clark, engage in a childish battle, it's only your mothers life on the line.

 

[B]

He doesn't see Superman "save a few people". Superman is seen saving millions of people all over the world. From little catastrophes to major disasters. He's saved countless lives. It's well documented. It's why the world worships him. It's why there's a statue of him etc.

Worships him? The movie doesn't portray Superman as being worshiped around the world at all, he's portrayed as being a controversial figure that divides both public & political opinions within the movie.

The statue of Superman is at the 'Ground Zero' of the Metropolis attack, it's not there because they all worship him & think he can do no wrong.

Batman's own experiences about good guys turning bad shouldn't mean that he taints everyone with the same brush. Does that mean he shouldn't trust Commissioner Gordon? Or Alfred? They could turn bad just because he's seen it happen with other people. There's no logic here with Batman's thought process. He's thinking like an idiot.

There's a pretty big difference though if Commissioner Gordon or Alfred if they went bad & Superman. Not to mention, Superman's partially got blood on his hands for the part he played in the destruction of Metropolis.

 

[The Joker]

Worships him? The movie doesn't portray Superman as being worshiped around the world at all, he's portrayed as being a controversial figure that divides both public & political opinions within the movie.

The statue of Superman is at the 'Ground Zero' of the Metropolis attack, it's not there because they all worship him & think he can do no wrong.

Yes, worships him. There are detractors of Superman sure, but overall he is seen as a hero, that includes around the world, and scenes like this convey how much he is loved;

What difference does it make where his statue is? The fact is they erected a statue of him because they love him. You ever hear of a statue being made for someone because they're hated?

There's a pretty big difference though if Commissioner Gordon or Alfred if they went bad & Superman. Not to mention, Superman's partially got blood on his hands for the part he played in the destruction of Metropolis.

The only difference between Alfred and Gordon going bad, and Superman is that Superman would be more of a threat if he did. But that's not the point. The point is that there is as much of a chance of it happening with them as there is with Superman. But Bruce continues to work with them and place his trust in them. Yet he won't extend that same courtesy to Superman despite Superman proving himself a fighter for justice and saving people a hundred times over.

Batman is ruled by his own illogical idiotic beliefs.

 

[B]

Yes, worships him. There are detractors of Superman sure, but overall he is seen as a hero, that includes around the world, and scenes like this convey how much he is loved;

Loved & worshiped around the world.

What difference does it make where his statue is? The fact is they erected a statue of him because they love him. You ever hear of a statue being made for someone because they're hated?

It does kinda matter where it is, it's not like it was just put up in some park somewhere for no reason. It's a memorial at the Ground Zero of the attack remembering the thousands that died & the city thanking Superman, but that does not mean for one second everyone loves him or likes it.. and they don't, that's why it was defaced.

There's a Kim Jong Un statue in North Korea. Is he universally loved & worshiped around the world because he has a statue as well?

The only difference between Alfred and Gordon going bad, and Superman is that Superman would be more of a threat if he did. But that's not the point. The point is that there is as much of a chance of it happening with them as there is with Superman. But Bruce continues to work with them and place his trust in them. Yet he won't extend that same courtesy to Superman despite Superman proving himself a fighter for justice and saving people.

Batman is ruled by his own illogical idiotic beliefs.

No, no, not just more of a threat, that's understating it quite significantly. He's a world ending threat, if Superman decided one day he was done saving people & wanted to destroy Earth, it's already too late. Anger & fear are Bruce's emotional motivators.

As I said I think Batman wanting to kill/destroy him was too cold & comes across more like a preemptive strike as opposed to what I feel the conflict should have been. More an intervention or warning walking a little closer to TDKR fight.

 

[The Joker]

Loved & worshiped around the world.

One selection of detractors does not mean he is not generally loved around the world. The KKK could form a picket line against black people. It doesn't mean the whole world hates blacks.

It does kinda matter where it is, it's not like it was just put up in some park somewhere for no reason. It's a memorial at the Ground Zero of the attack remembering the thousands that died & the city thanking Superman, but that does not mean for one second everyone loves him or likes it.. and they don't, that's why it was defaced.

There's a Kim Jong Un statue in North Korea. Is he universally loved & worshiped around the world because he has a statue as well?

You're being far too pedantic to try and validate your point. When I say everyone, I don't mean literally every single person on the face of the earth. I already said he had some detractors, but generally he was loved worldwide. He was acknowledged as a hero and a protector of the people.

FYI even statues of beloved world figures can get defaced e.g. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ue-triggers-protest/articleshow/11274277.cms?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-32287972

No, no, not just more of a threat, that's understating it quite significantly. He's a world ending threat, if Superman decided one day he was done saving people & wanted to destroy Earth, it's already too late. Anger & fear are Bruce's emotional motivators.

No, it's not under stating it. Superman has as much chance of turning bad as any good person does. The fact he could be a world ending threat doesn't mean he should be executed. Any more than the President of the United States who could order a nuclear strike if he wanted to killing millions should be executed because he has a 1% chance of turning bad and doing something like that.

A potential threat to innocent lives, whether it's to five, fifty, or millions is still a potential threat. But we don't execute people because there is the slimmest chance that maybe one day they could turn bad. That's not logic. That's unfounded paranoia. That's idiocy. It's not a good set up to their fight.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Yeah, what if US President goes bananas and launches a nuclear strike in all directions? And what if there are more extra-terrestrial threats? Like the one that Superman protected the Earth from? No. Superman must die.

Of course, unless some random flashback stops Batman from killing spree... And he suddenly starts believing in people and Superman in particular.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Is it me, or Snyder stole a scene from The Incredible Hulk, where Superman destroys sound cannons?

When did that take place?