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Really interesting read, Slott's interviews are always fun and informative. He's given me a little more faith in this new spiderman direction and it looks like there are some great things on the horizon.

A few interesting notes:
- JRJR will be back early next year (but with Guggenheim...ugh, he better not screw it up)
- There's a Spidey/FF 4 team up on the horizon
- It seems like ASM is going to become an integral part of the MU very soon
- The artwork for the upcoming issues looks awesome (exspecially Marcos Martin's)

What do you guys think?
 
Great interview. I'm really looking forward to all of them, but especially the FF team up.

You'll feel better about Guggenheim after reading next weeks ASM. I promise.
 
Another interview that promises more surprises, more events, more changes to the Marvel universe... Yawn. Stop reading Spider-Man was a good decision.
 
One particular part of the interview caught my attention.

“Everything happened. The fact that Norman Osborn doesn't know who Spider-Man is now doesn't mean he didn't know **then,**” Slott told CBR. “The thing that people seem to have a hard time wrapping their heads around is the fact that no one knows now doesn't mean that no one knew. Something happened and obviously Peter knows about it. Let me say again, whatever Peter did and whoever the 'We' is that he made reference to in 'New Ways to Die' chapter two, Mephisto was not part of that. Peter and his accomplice or accomplices did something and now people don't seem to know that he's Spider-Man.

“Not only do people not seem to know, but you can have Anna Kravinoff discover a Spider-Man costume in Peter Parker's apartment and think it belongs to his room mate Vin Gonzales,” Slott continued. “You can have Venom sitting right in front of Peter Parker in his apartment and not detect symbiote residue in Peter Parker. Yet Anti-Venom can sense it in Spider-Man. You have Norman Osborn finding Peter Parker's camera webbed to a wall with Spider-Man pictures on it and he goes, 'Ah-ha! I've got it! Spider-Man takes pictures of himself and uses Peter Parker as a front!' So Something fishy is going on here.”


So, if I'm reading this right, not only did whatever it was that was not Mephisto not only restore Peter's secret identity, but it also prevents them from figuring Peter is Spider-Man as well?

A while back, a poster on Newsarama speculated something along these lines after "Kraven's First Hunt" and seemed ludicrous at the time. That's because it pretty much says there really is no drama involved with anyone discovering Peter's secret identity. Basically, if we're reading what Slott is saying right, Peter got unmask in a public street, yell out "I'm Spider-Man" and everyone would think it's a gag. Or when he's fighting a villain and his mask gets torn off and it's witnessed by Aunt May, Jonah, Harry, Betty, etc. they'll somehow think he's not the real Spider-Man and that he's abusing Mutant Growth Hormones. Whatever the scenario, Peter's secret is safe because this mysterious force not only gave them brain damage but makes them loose all common sense.

Now, I can understand that it's hard to recreate the threat of having his identity exposed after the Unmasking, or that, if what ever prevented characters from figuring out Peter is Spider-Man wasn't in place would make them come across as stupid, but still, having some mysterious device or force involved to prevent them from putting two and two together? That's not only half-baked it kills what little drama is left of having his identity exposed again. And of course, we know darn well that whatever is in place will eventually be undone, so really it's nothing but an ongoing "mystery" that distracts from the overall stories themselves.

As for the Prometheus references with regards to Harry, I think anyone who knew a little about basic classical mythology got the reference from reading the latest issue and put it together, although I don't fault him for pointing it out in case there were those who did not.

Oh, and he basically is going with the emotional yo-yo explanation for Lily actions, which is understandable so as to not call attention to it taking place when Peter almost found the secret Goblin stash, and to some degree I believe that's partly what was happening with her as well. Problem is, considering what little character development we got from her prior to New Ways to Die, it still comes off as a bit forced.

Also, sorry to say, I'm really not all that impressed with the way he describes Brock as Anti-Venom and how he believes he's on a mission from God, now. Basically, all he's done is not just turn Brock into a Venom knockoff when he should be the original, not just revert him back to the "Lethal Protector" phase that all but ruined him in the 90s, but has basically made him into another cliched religious zealot villain.

All I can say is that, considering how much he's hyping "Character Assassination" these "mysteries" the Spidey braintrust have been dragging out better have a solid payoff. Because if the Spider-Man braintrust have essentially set-up all these expectations and have needlessly prolonged these various subplots with no resolutions for what amounts to close to 30 issues, including two one shots, and if their answers to those "mysteries" aren't satisfactory, then the problems they are having now with the title will only intensify. If they want fans to embrace this new status quo, then they need to show them that whatever the payoff is justified their retcon. Of course, it probably would have been better had they left things alone to begin with.
 
The way I see it is Mary Jane said to Mephisto that saving Aunt May isn't enough since she was attacked due to Peter being public. Mephisto then added the remasking to the deal.

So as far as I'm concerned if Peter and any cohorts did anything to make his identity secret again either they're false memories to make Peter forget the marriage/deal. Peter's actions and/or thoughts were controlled to make him forget the deal, or one of Pete's accomplices was Mephisto in disguise. So One More Day still happened no matter how you look at it, and because MJ mentioned the unmasking to Mephisto all this still feels like it can be undone as easily as flicking a switch.

Also no matter how you spin Peter erasing everyone's memories, and putting worldwide mental blocks in place.

But the fact he's anyway involved with this just makes him seem more like a selfish *****ebag, that has serious ethics issues.
 
But the fact he's anyway involved with this just makes him seem more like a selfish <doo-doo head>, that has serious ethics issues.

Seriously! I mean, next thing you know he'll start making money off of running around and taking pictures of himself as Spidey, all the while pretending like he's just that good of a photographer to always be at the right place at the right time to catch Spidey in action! :oldrazz:
 
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So is there's no possible way that ANYONE could figure out that Peter is Spiderman, where's the drama? I mean Peter's identity was part of what made Spiderman comics fun, the fact that he had to hide it from everyone, now that no one can possibly find out ever, whats the point?
 
For christ sake, it will be undone and him hiding his identity will cause drama. I mean the people that hate BND complain that it takes Spidey back to where he was at in the 70s and that it not new, now there is something new and their complaining.
 
So One More Day still happened no matter how you look at it, and because MJ mentioned the unmasking to Mephisto all this still feels like it can be undone as easily as flicking a switch.

Marvel can pretend that OMD never happened as best as they can. But they can't change that the story is written. The issues will not magically disappear no matter what kind of explanation they will come up with for Harry's return and everything else.
 
I'm glad to hear that not only Harry DID die.
but he wasn't revived by Mephisto.

Although this does bring a question to my mind that I haven't seen anyone bring up....

If every issue counts except for the reference to the marriage. What does Peter remember about the whole Mephisto deal?
 
Seriously! I mean, next thing you know he'll start making money off of running around and taking pictures of himself as Spidey, all the while pretending like he's just that good of a photographer to always be at the right place at the right time to catch Spidey in action! :oldrazz:


A difference between taking pictures and selling them under somewhat false pretences and a rewiring the brains of everyone on the planet to control how they think when it comes to you.
 
For christ sake, it will be undone and him hiding his identity will cause drama. I mean the people that hate BND complain that it takes Spidey back to where he was at in the 70s and that it not new, now there is something new and their complaining.



Well I don't like that it was undone period, so I will complain about any explaination they give.
 
I'm glad to hear that not only Harry DID die.
but he wasn't revived by Mephisto.

Although this does bring a question to my mind that I haven't seen anyone bring up....

If every issue counts except for the reference to the marriage. What does Peter remember about the whole Mephisto deal?


First off Harry coming back was due to the retcon as JMS said. When Joe said to throw Harry in the mix, and Joe brought up people remembering him dying, and the grave still being there. Joe said it'll be treated like he never died, and this falls under "It's magic" justification. Also early issues of BND brought up Harry like he was just away and never croaked. Same with the unmasking it was treated in those issues like it never happened and even Pete doesn't remember.

As far as remembering Mephisto I never thought it would be brought up on panel again unless they were undoing OMD/BND. They're giving explainations on how Pete remembers things happening in place of OMD, and that's how retcons like that usually work. However again Joe thought he owed no explaination, and arcs that are going to backpeddle and explain things is probably gonna kill the pacing of this book.

By the way no matter how they try to explain away Harry being alive, it's not gonna work with me. He should've stayed dead, and ressurecting him shows they're running out of ideas. Well that's apparent with Menace and Jackpot.
 
Marcos Martin sure does some amazing art. He's possibly my fave artist atm.
 
See, if somethin' needs to be explained THIS MUCH, that means it was a CRAPPY STORY!
 
Originally posted by Wolverine25th

See, if somethin' needs to be explained THIS MUCH, that means it was a CRAPPY STORY!

I think thats the most brilliant post i've read in a while, i couldnt agree more. Marvel having to constantly explain themselves is not a good sign. I said it before and i'll say it again, how did Marvel not forsee this happening before they did OMD?
 
If every issue counts except for the reference to the marriage. What does Peter remember about the whole Mephisto deal?

I don't think he remembers any deal with Mephisto at all. Same with MJ.
 
See, if somethin' needs to be explained THIS MUCH, that means it was a CRAPPY STORY!

I think thats the most brilliant post i've read in a while, i couldnt agree more. Marvel having to constantly explain themselves is not a good sign. I said it before and i'll say it again, how did Marvel not forsee this happening before they did OMD?

Exactly! Talk about common sense.

I think if a story requires everybody needing explanations for every mystery, it tells more about the lower level intelligence of the reader as opposed to simply calling it a crappy story.

:yay:
 
Looks like we'll get some Spidey / Torch. At least Slott can rewrite his own "I'm With Stupid" continuity.


:ff: :ff: :ff:
 
I think if a story requires everybody needing explanations for every mystery, it tells more about the lower level intelligence of the reader as opposed to simply calling it a crappy story.

:yay:

If it's not clear what happened after reading the story and the author feels it's necessary to explain what happened in a separate interview, chances are the author didn't do that good of a job telling his or her story to begin with. Either that, or the story the writer told was pretty self-explanatory but he or she feels compelled to explain it anyway to try and convince people he or she smarter and more educated than the readers, i.e. he or she thinks the audience is stupid.
 
I think if a story requires everybody needing explanations for every mystery, it tells more about the lower level intelligence of the reader as opposed to simply calling it a crappy story.

:yay:

The thing is, they are explaining something to us to which we already know the answer: Peter made a deal with the devil (or a devil...or a high-ranking demon, whatever). Now, it's being explained away as Peter and someone else making an arrangement to mindwipe an entire universe, but, no matter how they spin it, Mephisto rewrote history so that this event happend. No matter how it is explained, Mephisto did it. To try and convince people that something that happened this time last year didn't happen the same way is ridiculous, IMHO.

To be completely honest, I would rather Marvel had said, "Everything since the marriage has been completely changed....Peter is living in a world unlike anything we've seen because of a simple wish to save his dying Aunt."

Then, they could have just done a cliff's notes "Spider-Man:Brand New Day Saga" series to give a prose retelling of the history up until that point....and at least just hit the highlights. Just 4 issues covering how major sagas like Kraven's Last Hunt, Harry's Death, Venom, Carnage, Norman's Return, The Clone Saga, Morlun, Shathra, Ezekiel, Civil War, and Back in Black worked out with the marriage changing. Then leave the mystery of the unmasking to be told in the confines of Brand New Day.

It almost feels like they're already retconning the solution to the retcon so that fans will except the retcon and then they will not have to retcon the retcon to--oh, no! I've gone cross-eyed!!
 

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