Darkseid's transformation

[Biga07405]

For those who read morisson Darkseid has gone from a demigod to as he described "the emptiness shaped like God" now we all know the transformation began when he "died" in countdown now my question is what happened did he truly transform or was his true nature unleashed

anyone have any ideas

 

[sandwraith]

Its one of those things I'm guessing Morrison has left opened to interpretation, like the Hurt-Darkseid connection or the whole Dr.Hurt fiasco as a whole.

Darkseid's rise to the supposed 'New God' wasn't really built upon much. I think even if you read the Death of the New Gods by Starlin there will be some gaps which neither Morrison or Starlin bothered to fill. Maybe lack of communication between the two writers. Maybe just blatant ego.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Well, one thing to consider, is that Countdown really doesn't count. That's basically been forgotten in the grand scheme of things. Final Crisis follows up after Morrison's Seven Soldiers, where Darkseid didn't die per say, just used the Anti-Life Equation to destroy the Fourth World, and he and all his New God brethren were hiding on Earth. So, I think with that in mind, it was basically a transformation from one incarnation into the other, probably gaining more power with being worshiped through Anti-Life and all that stuff.

That's my take on it, anyway

 

[sandwraith]

So by Morrison's logic, whatever stories that took part in between Seven Soldiers and Final Crisis which had anything to do with the New Gods was non-existant because if memory serves, there were a number of stories both sides of the New Gods were involved in, Countdown nonwithstanding.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Well, yeah, more or less. I think he asked for an embargo on the characters after Seven Soldiers, but DC didn't like the idea. But I don't think it's just a Morrison thing. I think almost everything from Countdown was ignored or downplayed. As far as stuff before that, I don't know, I guess you could say it all happened before Darkseid destroyed the Fourth World maybe.

 

[Watchman]

So by Morrison's logic, whatever stories that took part in between Seven Soldiers and Final Crisis which had anything to do with the New Gods was non-existant because if memory serves, there were a number of stories both sides of the New Gods were involved in, Countdown nonwithstanding.

Well what I gathered from interviews and the Mr. Miracle series was that the War between New Genesis and Apokolips was something that happened on a scale that humans couldn't fathom. Where in this case our concept of time (or for us continuity and chronological order) does not matter.

At some point Darkseid "fell" which damaged reality. He would remake himself as Boss Darkside which he stayed as until the events of Final Crisis. But, I think it's best for everyone to just ignore the New God stories that happened between Seven Soldiers and Final Crisis.

As it is, the best I can do is suggest that the somewhat contradictory depictions of Orion and Darkseid’s last-last-last battle that we witnessed in Countdown and DOTNG recently were apocryphal attempts to describe an indescribable cosmic event.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/080609-MorrisonFC01.html

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Morrison-code for: "I didn't write that s***, how the hell should I know how it fits?"

 

[Watchman]

Pretty much

But like I said I think it's best if we ignore "52 done right" and its billion tie-ins and just focus on Morrison's stuff. Reading Seven Soldiers, his 52 sections, Batman, and then Final Crisis it does really form one big story that reach back as far as Animal Man.

 

[Assassin]

Well, yeah, more or less. I think he asked for an embargo on the characters after Seven Soldiers, but DC didn't like the idea. But I don't think it's just a Morrison thing. I think almost everything from Countdown was ignored or downplayed. As far as stuff before that, I don't know, I guess you could say it all happened before Darkseid destroyed the Fourth World maybe.

you mean like Jason Todd's redemption and turning into a hero? Had a brilliant conversation with batman from another world who had made him a red robin suit before he died, basically convinced him to be a hero. he saved Donna Troy and Kyle Rayner to only come back as a ******ed **** in battle for the cowl. good job tony daniel you talentless hack. (as a writer)

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Nobody really wants to see Jason Todd as a true hero anyway. The people who like him like him as the poor man's Punisher Winick brought him back as, and the people who don't like him just want to see him back in the ground.

 

[Assassin]

Doesn't matter, either way after what happened in Battle for the cowl and then batman and robin, there's no way he could go back to being a hero or being a punisher type, now he's just a nut **** who shoots people, good or bad.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

And that's the way we love him. Unless he could die again. Then I'd love him more.

 

[Assassin]

you don't even read most of dc's comics so your opinion is as good as mine on a marvel comic.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I read plenty of DC's comics, and my opinion is always better than yours.

 

[Drz]

Judd Winnick is going to write more Jason Todd, hopefully non-prequel stuff this time around, and i doubt he'll care for the Countdown stuff either. Grant Morrison seems to be the only writer who thinks Jason can be redeemed, as seen at the end of the Red Hood arc. (very meta level tho)

 

[Assassin]

I read plenty of DC's comics, and my opinion is always better than yours.

impossible, opinions are neither right or wrong, they are just based on preference. thus making it impossible for one to be "better" than another.