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This INCLUDES the real Jimmy Olsen. Introduce him as an intern or something
I just like the image of the climax of the film being Superman actively protecting civilians, not killing a big robot thing in the middle of nowhere/crashing a ship/killing a guy in a big spectacle fight scene where the civilian toll is basically unaddressed.
Meh. There's nothing wrong with Jenny Olsen except for the fact that she's a non-character. I don't see a problem with gender-swapping the character.
I'm worried that they're going to try and be epic in BvS. Snyder has said the only logical outcome is to "go global".
Granted, we don't know for certain until the movie comes out, but it's amusing to me that according to his interviews Joss Whedon's approach to Avengers 2 is the exact opposite. First movie was big and epic and 'splosion-y? The sequel's going to be smaller in scale and more focused on character driven drama.
- Start where MOS left off.
- Don't leave the causulties/collateral damage go unaddressed. Mention that Superman spent day and night afterward searching for survivors to take to the hospital.
- Develop Lois/Perry/Daily Planet
- This INCLUDES the real Jimmy Olsen. Introduce him as an intern or something
- Develop Clark Kent
- Show the world's reaction to Superman. MOS kind of started that way, but it was then traded for more scifi battles and Kryptonian dialog.
- Which implies a real-world atmosphere. Keep it realistic-until a supervillain shows up.
- Then have that superpowered enemy be stylized and bring the genre to life
- This means bringing in a supervillain that can drop in and out of the plot at any time.
- As to not have the villain take over the story and overpower the character development
- Let Lex be a "hidden villain/secret mastermind" Do everything in your power to throw the audience off (full name, nice demeaner). Hair couldn't hurt
- Let Batman's role be minor, but important, enhancing the themes of MOS2
- Batman will get his sequel. Let Clark have his movie.
- I like the idea of Superman being framed by Lex, and Batman going after Batman to contain this threat.
- In regards to the fight, Batman should TOTALLY wear a robo suit.
- But this should not be his normal costume.
- The fight should take place at night. Stalemate is optimal, but if someone DOES win, it should be Superman.
- Most people want Batman to team up with Superman to take down the villains.
- I personally think Batman should leave Metropolis, knowing he failed his mission, but gained an ally.
- Note I didn't say FRIEND. I want a sequel to explore them becoming friends.
- Have Superman physically take on the henchman/prominent villain (I want Metallo) and confront Lex, but only using his words this time.
- I want Lex to escape the legal system. It makes him seem smarter, and adds a dark edge. And he can team up with a greater villain (Brainiac)for the sequel. And I want the immediate sequel to be a TRUE Superman/Batman movie.
- Lois should totally reprise her more investigative role.
- More Ma Kent scenes couldn't hurt.
- I think there should be about one or two flashbacks of Pa Kent, with Kent teaching EXTREMELY moral lessons to Clark.
- This can allow audiences to appreciate him more
- Kind of like Uncle Ben in Spider-Man 2. Have him take up no more then three minutes of screen-time, but that's really what it would take to reform his image (I hope)
- Okay, I totally want MOS2 to be a more dramatic Sm2
you do realize this is not mos 2 right???^ I just don't want Batman spending copious amounts of Superman's narrative time. And them getting equal time just seems wrong, IMHO.
And I'm someone who WANTS to see Batman rebooted, who DOESN'T think the Nolan films are the be-all-and-end-all of Batman. I'm kind of a Batman nut. But Superman deserves a real sequel, and Batman can fit into that. But a film built around both characters seems like a disservice to Supes. MOS3/Superman/Batman can be like TA with Iron Man, with Superman getting one final sequel after the big WF film.
I'd say that it's fairly essential for the new Batman to get screen time given that it looks like DC is rushing things to get to a JL movie as quickly as possible. I agree with you in general, MoS really needs a sequel for several reasons, but that DC context puts things in a different light in my opinion.^ I just don't want Batman spending copious amounts of Superman's narrative time. And them getting equal time just seems wrong, IMHO.
And I'm someone who WANTS to see Batman rebooted, who DOESN'T think the Nolan films are the be-all-and-end-all of Batman. I'm kind of a Batman nut. But Superman deserves a real sequel, and Batman can fit into that. But a film built around both characters seems like a disservice to Supes. MOS3/Superman/Batman can be like TA with Iron Man, with Superman getting one final sequel after the big WF film.
you do realize this is not mos 2 right???
- Start where MOS left off.
- Don't leave the causulties/collateral damage go unaddressed. Mention that Superman spent day and night afterward searching for survivors to take to the hospital.
- Develop Lois/Perry/Daily Planet
- This INCLUDES the real Jimmy Olsen. Introduce him as an intern or something
- Develop Clark Kent
- Show the world's reaction to Superman. MOS kind of started that way, but it was then traded for more scifi battles and Kryptonian dialog.
- Which implies a real-world atmosphere. Keep it realistic-until a supervillain shows up.
- Then have that superpowered enemy be stylized and bring the genre to life
- This means bringing in a supervillain that can drop in and out of the plot at any time.
- As to not have the villain take over the story and overpower the character development
- Let Lex be a "hidden villain/secret mastermind" Do everything in your power to throw the audience off (full name, nice demeaner). Hair couldn't hurt
- Let Batman's role be minor, but important, enhancing the themes of MOS2
- Batman will get his sequel. Let Clark have his movie.
- I like the idea of Superman being framed by Lex, and Batman going after Batman to contain this threat.
- In regards to the fight, Batman should TOTALLY wear a robo suit.
- But this should not be his normal costume.
- The fight should take place at night. Stalemate is optimal, but if someone DOES win, it should be Superman.
- Most people want Batman to team up with Superman to take down the villains.
- I personally think Batman should leave Metropolis, knowing he failed his mission, but gained an ally.
- Note I didn't say FRIEND. I want a sequel to explore them becoming friends.
- Have Superman physically take on the henchman/prominent villain (I want Metallo) and confront Lex, but only using his words this time.
- I want Lex to escape the legal system. It makes him seem smarter, and adds a dark edge. And he can team up with a greater villain (Brainiac)for the sequel. And I want the immediate sequel to be a TRUE Superman/Batman movie.
- Lois should totally reprise her more investigative role.
- More Ma Kent scenes couldn't hurt.
- I think there should be about one or two flashbacks of Pa Kent, with Kent teaching EXTREMELY moral lessons to Clark.
- This can allow audiences to appreciate him more
- Kind of like Uncle Ben in Spider-Man 2. Have him take up no more then three minutes of screen-time, but that's really what it would take to reform his image (I hope)
- Okay, I totally want MOS2 to be a more dramatic Sm2
I just wanna know what kind of crime are they gonna give Clark/Superman to tackle
^ Totally. But I think Bruce/Batman should be introduced near the end of the second act. This allows 2/3's of the film to be devoted to Superman. The "team-up and save the day" just seems too tidy, too conventional, and too simplistic for my tastes. I think having a whole movie devoted to it would be more satisfactory in the long term.
It's not that Superman doesn't kill, it's that Superman is broadly perceived as not killing, as such having him kill in the movie creates a cheap and undeserved shock.
There are other problems with the Superman-killing-Zod sequence aside from Superman killing Zod:
It included the destruction of the Fortress of Solitude, which removes it from the continuity;
It included the terrible visual of Superman frying all those innocent babies in the Genesis chamber with his heat vision, as he destroyed the ship;
It included the terrible dialogue of "Krypton had its chance," "This ends one way, you die or I die," and "You're a monster Zod, and I'm going to stop you";
It must have killed tens of thousands of people;
It led to the plot hole of Lois finding Clark the instant he killed Zod, which pulled a lot of people out of the film;
You know, I'm going to ignore all the opinions, and the stuff about how the loudest noise in a movie is the climax, and how antagonist VS the protagonist has nothing to do with the plot of a film and so on and just address these little bits...
People insist on this reaction being because SUPERMAN did this, based on the public's knowledge that Superman doesn't (I really don't think a lot of people are familiar with this, I think it's more along the lines of "but, but superheroes and heroes don't kill!").
People seem entirely unable to separate the event within the film from what the some fans know about Superman. Here's the thing. It's entirely possible that there would be a similar reaction to many cinematic heroes who had not been depicted as a killer doing this to a villain in as abrupt, shocking and equally brutal manner. Which is the point of the sequence.
Not that this character doesn't kill, or wont kill, but that doing so the first time, even to a villain, affects him so intensely. That's where the shock comes from. The emotions HE experiences from the event. It's a very human moment from a man who might as well be a God. That's the point of the moment.
1. So? The Fortress' importance is not established in this film to the degree it has been in the comics. Its importance within the film universe here was to represent Krypton's past and potential future, and to help Superman discover his origins. It more than served its story purpose, arguably moreso than any previous version of the Fortress on film has (I haven't seen all the SMALLVILLE Fortress moments).
2. There's nothing to say there can't be another Fortress of Solitude. There have been in the comics. He could build another one, or grow another one, or what have you.
That WOULD be a terrible visual. Except that there weren't any babies. I'm pretty sure that the genesis chamber was empty and that the film pointed this out.
That's not really terrible dialogue. It's just simple, straightforward dialogue. The last bit is pure Superman/superhero stuff.
It must have? Based on what, exactly?
Yeah, that's a bit hard to swallow. But then, it's a movie. People need to be able to suspend their disbelief to some degree.
You know, I'm going to ignore all the opinions, and the stuff about how the loudest noise in a movie is the climax, and how antagonist VS the protagonist has nothing to do with the plot of a film and so on and just address these little bits...
It must have? Based on what, exactly?