Days of Future Past Days of Future Past News and Discussion - - - - - - - Part 39

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[Malik]

Doesn't work for me either.

 

[Max Eisenhardt]

My absurd theory is, that they shut down the site permanently. Cause of things wolverine changed in the past some events (for example: Magneto in prison over fifty years as this site suggested) never happened. Magneto broke out - therefore there is no possibility the bentbullet site with its content exists anymore. So maybe Marvel wants us the feel how the changes in the past influence the present day

 

[kasjan]

My english isn't very good, but does Bent Bullet said Erik was in prison since 50 years, I thought it said he was in prison in 2013 once again?

 

[Max Eisenhardt]

My english isn't very good, but does Bent Bullet said Erik was in prison since 50 years, I thought it said he was in prison in 2013 once again?

I think it never clearly says that he is in prison for 50 years, but if you read the articles you can get this impression imo.

 

[GuestStar2004]

My absurd theory is, that they shut down the site permanently. Cause of things wolverine changed in the past some events (for example: Magneto in prison over fifty years as this site suggested) never happened. Magneto broke out - therefore there is no possibility the bentbullet site with its content exists anymore. So maybe Marvel wants us the feel how the changes in the past influence the present day

that just over complicates, FC and the OT exist in same timeline before wolverine went back in time, DOFP is a breaking off point so it wouldn't or shouldn't link back up to the dark future of DOFP

the bent bullet website was a prequel to DOFP, and so is 25 moments

http://www.bentbullet.com works ok for me, i am on it right now

 

[Tehmeh]

Could be a browser issue. I couldn't browse 25moments.com with Firefox, but Opera worked just fine. It might've been the same with BB before.

 

[Mr.M]

The problem I have with the BB site... The article is written on the 50th remembrance of JFK. So that's 2013.

There is a quote there that says he spoke to a corrections officer during his incarceration some 25 years ago, "too much iron in the blood". That puts that at 1988.

We know he recruited Jean around then. So here is the man notorious for his involvement in JFK's murder, now in an ordinary folks living room trying to convince them to hand over their daughter to Charles and himself.

Now maybe they setup the meeting in secret with Jean's parents (in broad daylight no less). Maybe Xavier Jedi mind tricked them all as part of his coup to take over Jean's mind but that is blatantly out of his character. Or maybe the article just made a continuity error with that 25 years ago tidbit. Until you read another dating error.

The newly constructed Trask prison in 1971 which had "maintained (Lensherr) ever since" written later on.

This to me implies an original timeline separate from any of the films sans FC, where mutants eventually succumb to mass genocide, as the Trask technology continues to be implemented on mutants in this timeline (Note in BB article that registered mutants wear the inhibitor collar).

Everything changes only when Wolverine travels back and breaks Magneto out in the post FC movie timeline.

 

[BMM]

The problem I have with the BB site... The article is written on the 50th remembrance of JFK. So that's 2013.

There is a quote there that says he spoke to a corrections officer during his incarceration some 25 years ago, "too much iron in the blood". That puts that at 1988.

We know he recruited Jean around then. So here is the man notorious for his involvement in JFK's murder, now in an ordinary folks living room trying to convince them to hand over their daughter to Charles and himself.

Now maybe they setup the meeting in secret with Jean's parents (in broad daylight no less). Maybe Xavier Jedi mind tricked them all as part of his coup to take over Jean's mind but that is blatantly out of his character. Or maybe the article just made a continuity error with that 25 years ago tidbit. Until you read another dating error.

The newly constructed Trask prison in 1971 which had "maintained (Lensherr) ever since" written later on.

This to me implies an original timeline separate from any of the films, where mutants eventually succumb to mass genocide, as the Trask technology continues to be implemented on mutants in this timeline (Note in BB article that registered mutants wear the inhibitor collar).

Everything changes only when Wolverine travels back and breaks Magneto out in the post FC movie timeline.

Bentbullet says that Trask Industries has maintained and upgraded his prison since they were first commissioned in 1971, not that the prison has maintained Lehnsherr ever since 1971.

 

[Mr.M]

Okay I guess it isn't implying Lensherr was there ever since. So maybe he just turned himself in after Last Stand. But how then is he once again loose in the Wolverine post credit scene in 2013 or shortly thereafter? What about 1988? Doesn't add up.

 

[BMM]

He and Mystique obviously meet up again sometime between his imprisonment in the 1970s and the events of the original trilogy. She helps him escape in X2, so who's to say she doesn't do the same thing then? As for his more recent incarceration, my guess is Xavier has something to do with freeing him. We know Xavier likes to visit Erik, while Erik's in prison. If Erik has discovered humanity's plan to build a weapon to bring about the end of their kind, and if things are starting to get so bad between humans and mutants, Xavier probably helps him escape so they can begin building a resistance, as seen at the end credits of The Wolverine.

 

[Mr.M]

All possible if though implausible. I can at least buy it, and it's a better outcome than 10 different timelines. So maybe they just didn't work out all the kinks when the authors of the viral site drew all that backstory up.

So I guess we will see how it plays out. Curious as to where Apocalypse will fit in, as that is the million dollar question for me.

 

[b_boy]

They did say that he destroyed 3 prisions. So it could be two in the past, number 3 during X2. After X3 he could've been arrested again until he is freed by Charles and some X-Men before he and Charles goes to recruit Wolverine.

Between those prision break outs he could've done a lot, worked again with Xavier, helped recuit some more students. Maybe the prees didn't know he break out of prision. They wanted to find a person responsible and they got MAgneto and put him in prision. Ppl didn't need to know he was out or that could cause a lot of panic and all the drama. Just let ppl think he was still arrested. They didn't have internet at that time, it wouldn't be hard to cover this information.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

It says Erik destroyed three of his cells in the '60s, but then Trask made the inescapable one in '71.

The BB article does NOT line up with the OT in any way. People should read it again; the implication is that he's been in prison ever since. It doesn't make allowances or references to anything from the OT, and it clearly would mention him attacking Alcatraz or the Liberty Island incident, why would it not?

The Bent Bullet article clearly seems to suggest a timeline where the OT never happened and Magneto stayed incarcerated in the cell we see in the DOFP movie. I don't think we'll see it reflected in the film at all, it's just a fun 'what-if' in honor of the anniversary of JFK's death.

We'll never know how Magneto escaped that prison in the original timeline before Wolverine's interference, but suffice it to say, he must have escaped at some point. Though, honestly, this just reeks more of the imperfect continuity.

If Mags was decided as the killer of JFK, how could he be out of prison without Sentinels zeroing in on his location during the entirety of X-Men? And him having assassinated a president, you'd think that it'd be mentioned. Obviously it wasn't because it wasn't part of the continuity at the time of the films' production, but still. FC and DOFP goof up many of the OT's logistics. Like someone said in another thread, if the Sentinels were around during the OT, it makes no sense that we wouldn't have seen them. And why would Magneto have been put into a much more escapable prison in X1/X2?

Plus, people trying to make sense of the X3 opening scene at Jean's house amaze me. It makes no sense for the events of FC/DOFP (pre time travel) to have happened and have Mags and Chuck go back to being buddies... would Magneto have suddenly relented in his ideals and act like they'd never split? FC effectively threw that X3 scene out the window. It fits into the continuity still, but only if you assume Xavier was there alone, as I choose to now.

The only way to fix these continuity errors is to imply that the events of DOFP never happened at the time of the OT, that someone went back in time and started Trask down the path of making Sentinels, where he wouldn't have before. That makes the continuity errors of the OT go away, and also lends itself to a further story. Maybe Apocalypse did it, knowing the Sentinels would eventually turn on mankind as a way to eradicate them? Maybe in the original timeline, the Sentinel project never went beyond the planning stages, so that's why the Danger Room has a scenario in its memory, just in case it ever went forward, but someone goes back and alters the timeline so that Sentinels did go into production. Also, the implication of X1 seems to make clear that mutants still aren't widely known, and it seems Magneto has never attempted any of his plans until the passage of the Mutant Registration Act. So originally, Magneto never did anything from FC until X1.

So, the way I see it:

First timeline

FC -> Origins -> X1 -> X2 -> X3 (With no Magneto in opening scene) -> The Wolverine (with no end credits scene)

Second timeline (Someone goes back to some point in the early '60s (?) and forces Project Wideawake into happening, making the OT and Origins slightly different now because of the existence of Sentinels)

FC -> DOFP (with no Wolverine interfering) -> Origins -> X1 -> X2 -> X3 (With no Magneto in opening scene) -> The Wolverine

Third timeline (Wolverine prevents the incident in DOFP as intended)

FC -> DOFP -> (undetermined new continuity -- the events of the OT, Origins and TW now don't seem likely to happen, or if they do, it's radically altered.)

This is the only way it makes sense, but it still doesn't fix certain goofs (like Magneto twice being implied to have built Cerebro, which FC throws out the window since Hank made it), but those, being only occasional lines of dialogue, can easily be ignored as FC retconning them.

 

[GuestStar2004]

It says Erik destroyed three of his cells in the '60s, but then Trask made the inescapable one in '71.

from bentbullet.com

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[Melapi]

Is it possible that Charles is watching his own home/school burning down? If it's the case it will be heartbreaking

 

[GuestStar2004]

The image of the mansion burning is likely just a photoshopped image for marketing, I ain't sure if any of the images are actually shots in the movie

 

[jaymes_e06]

Heartbreaking indeed.

 

[Krak66]

I want to see how the school was taken at least in brief flashback or during opening monologue of Professor

 

[GuestStar2004]

that may be explained during the film by older xavier or wolverine, doesn't need to be a monologue really

 

[Krak66]

that may be explained during the film by older xavier or wolverine, doesn't need to be a monologue really

there is no much time in future scenes to explain things but I want to hear all answers to my questionst:

 

[Farren]

It says Erik destroyed three of his cells in the '60s, but then Trask made the inescapable one in '71.

The BB article does NOT line up with the OT in any way. People should read it again; the implication is that he's been in prison ever since. It doesn't make allowances or references to anything from the OT, and it clearly would mention him attacking Alcatraz or the Liberty Island incident, why would it not?

The Bent Bullet article clearly seems to suggest a timeline where the OT never happened and Magneto stayed incarcerated in the cell we see in the DOFP movie. I don't think we'll see it reflected in the film at all, it's just a fun 'what-if' in honor of the anniversary of JFK's death.

We'll never know how Magneto escaped that prison in the original timeline before Wolverine's interference, but suffice it to say, he must have escaped at some point. Though, honestly, this just reeks more of the imperfect continuity.

If Mags was decided as the killer of JFK, how could he be out of prison without Sentinels zeroing in on his location during the entirety of X-Men? And him having assassinated a president, you'd think that it'd be mentioned. Obviously it wasn't because it wasn't part of the continuity at the time of the films' production, but still. FC and DOFP goof up many of the OT's logistics. Like someone said in another thread, if the Sentinels were around during the OT, it makes no sense that we wouldn't have seen them. And why would Magneto have been put into a much more escapable prison in X1/X2?

Plus, people trying to make sense of the X3 opening scene at Jean's house amaze me. It makes no sense for the events of FC/DOFP (pre time travel) to have happened and have Mags and Chuck go back to being buddies... would Magneto have suddenly relented in his ideals and act like they'd never split? FC effectively threw that X3 scene out the window. It fits into the continuity still, but only if you assume Xavier was there alone, as I choose to now.

The only way to fix these continuity errors is to imply that the events of DOFP never happened at the time of the OT, that someone went back in time and started Trask down the path of making Sentinels, where he wouldn't have before. That makes the continuity errors of the OT go away, and also lends itself to a further story. Maybe Apocalypse did it, knowing the Sentinels would eventually turn on mankind as a way to eradicate them? Maybe in the original timeline, the Sentinel project never went beyond the planning stages, so that's why the Danger Room has a scenario in its memory, just in case it ever went forward, but someone goes back and alters the timeline so that Sentinels did go into production. Also, the implication of X1 seems to make clear that mutants still aren't widely known, and it seems Magneto has never attempted any of his plans until the passage of the Mutant Registration Act. So originally, Magneto never did anything from FC until X1.

So, the way I see it:

First timeline

FC -> Origins -> X1 -> X2 -> X3 (With no Magneto in opening scene) -> The Wolverine (with no end credits scene)

Second timeline (Someone goes back to some point in the early '60s (?) and forces Project Wideawake into happening, making the OT and Origins slightly different now because of the existence of Sentinels)

FC -> DOFP (with no Wolverine interfering) -> Origins -> X1 -> X2 -> X3 (With no Magneto in opening scene) -> The Wolverine

Third timeline (Wolverine prevents the incident in DOFP as intended)

FC -> DOFP -> (undetermined new continuity -- the events of the OT, Origins and TW now don't seem likely to happen, or if they do, it's radically altered.)

This is the only way it makes sense, but it still doesn't fix certain goofs (like Magneto twice being implied to have built Cerebro, which FC throws out the window since Hank made it), but those, being only occasional lines of dialogue, can easily be ignored as FC retconning them.

Agreed. That site's been fishy from the start. Some of us tried to bring up these sort of points when it first appeared and we tended to be shot down.

It's certainly possible that it's just plain old not adhering to continuity because the film-makers are choosing to go that route. Or that the viral campaign isn't really meant to line up with the movie -- that isn't meant to be taken as canon. We don't know how we're supposed to read it.

But if it IS meant to line up with the movie continuity, it's very suspicious.

EDIT: Something else I remembered as being odd in that article was Magneto warning the guard of an illness because of the iron in his blood. This was obviously a nod to X2, and maybe that's ALL it was, but I found it interesting that whereas in X2 it was involved with Magneto violently killing (?) a guard in order to escape, here we see him actually being nice and helping someone. It seems to highlight a difference in his characterization. So maybe this IS a different Magneto.

Question for anyone: Do we know for certain that the sentinels unveiled in the 70s are being made specifically to target mutants? I know that might seem like an obvious "yes", but I remember the trask site being coy about that point. And now I'm trying to start piecing in a lot of the newer marketing and I can't remember it all. Back when we just had the trask site, I speculated that perhaps the sentinels had been developed for general security/military use, then became tightly regulated just prior to the OT (which is why we never saw them), and then brought back into widespread service as mutant hunters in the wake of Magneto's shenanigans on Alcatraz.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

Agreed. That site's been fishy from the start. Some of us tried to bring up these sort of points when it first appeared and we tended to be shot down.

It's certainly possible that it's just plain old not adhering to continuity because the film-makers are choosing to go that route. Or that the viral campaign isn't really meant to line up with the movie -- that isn't meant to be taken as canon. We don't know how we're supposed to read it.

But if it IS meant to line up with the movie continuity, it's very suspicious.

The 25 moments lines up with film continuity, more-or-less. I really think the article on BentBullet (Not the rest of the site, just the article) was just supposed to be for fun considering it opened on the 50th anniversary of JFK's assassination, you have to look at it as its own continuity to appreciate it. It does give tidbits that reveal things about the film--that Magneto was perhaps trying to stop Mystique and he didn't really cause JFK's death, but the perspective in the article, that Mags has been in prison since the incident, is flat contradicted by continuity.

What people have to remember about continuity is that whatever's newest is more correct. People flip out over Emma Frost being in the end of Origins, and at the time, that's exactly who it was supposed to be. But with Emma appearing in FC, the one in Origins now is retconned to just be a girl named Emma who has diamond skin (which accidentally works okay since they didn't give a last name and she doesn't use psychic powers). The Hank McCoy on TV in X2 was supposed to be the real Hank... but X3 and FC now make that inaccurate.

Basically, we have to keep in mind that if a new film overwrites aspects of an older one, it only adjusts the continuity, not erasing it. In the case of things like Charles meeting Erik when he's 17, Erik building Cerebro with Charles, Hank on the TV, Mystique and Charles not seeming to know each other, Mags and Chuck at Jean's house (etc...) are very minor things that can be ignored. It's like if Wolverine's jacket is two different shades of brown within two scenes--it isn't that he switched to another jacket, it's just a hiccup, a goof.

Granted, a better thought-out series of films don't make such mistakes, but that care wasn't there, clearly. But I just think it's funny that people try to cry that Origins goofed continuity, when it did no such thing, they're just saying that because they hate the film. First Class is the one that completely derailed things. Before FC, the only continuity goofs were Hank on the TV in X2 and the exact date of the Three-Mile Island disaster to the start of X1. The opening of X3 implied that Erik and Charles split much later in life, which makes more sense than them splitting in the '60s and Magneto doing nothing until past 2000 in X1.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

According to the 25moment Xavier opened the school after First Class. Wonder why he closed it

The Hank McCoy on TV in X2 was supposed to be the real Hank... but X3 and FC now make that inaccurate.

Basically, we have to keep in mind that if a new film overwrites aspects of an older one, it only adjusts the continuity, not erasing it. In the case of things like Charles meeting Erik when he's 17, Erik building Cerebro with Charles, Hank on the TV, Mystique and Charles not seeming to know each other, Mags and Chuck at Jean's house (etc...) are very minor things that can be ignored. It's like if Wolverine's jacket is two different shades of brown within two scenes--it isn't that he switched to another jacket, it's just a hiccup, a goof.

DOFP shows he can change to human form. So he could appear in X2 in human form just fine and in X3 all blue & fuzzy.

Charles and Mystique don't come face to face in the OT.

The rest like you said are just little niggles of in-consistency that can be easily ignored