Specter313
Ghost of all things X
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The situations just aren't the same. Those actors didn't do anything in X1/2. They were extras. There's no going against continuity when replacing insignificant extras. Jones actually contributed to FC and replacing her would fu#k up the continuity. And with Tyler Mane, they completely rewrote/rebooted that character for XOW. Why would he still play Sabertooth if its a brand new character basically? And now we have two versions of the same guy. I'm complaining about that, its Annoying as bad place.
Only part of it is up to her. IMO the writers and directors have to put their characters/actors in the right spots. You say Jones should have "injected enough life/sass/*****iness" on her own. I can't buy that. Its a collaborative effort. IMO, Jones was given bland dialogue and was isolated from the other characters to the point where we couldn't get any good interaction.
And was the character written that way in First Class? I didn't think so. Why does the blame all fall on Jones? IMO they didn't give her much to work with as far as dialogue and character interaction go.
Excuses, excuses, excuses. The point was that someone else argued that all casting has to stay the same for the "sake of continuity", and I pointed out where it doesn't, irregardless of the size of the role. I don't think anything was said where they rebooted Sabretooth for that role, so they easily could have used Mane if they wanted to. Even in other franchises, switching out actors in some roles has proven to be for the better. I am pretty sure that anyone who thinks switching out Katie Holmes for Maggie Gyllenhaal was a bad casting move is in the minority.
And I've also never said that Frost was a top notch written role, but throughout the course of this franchise, many other actors have given far better performances with far less to do. Someone else up thread mentioned how Rebecca Romijn managed to created a memorable performance and character as Mystique in X1 with only one line of dialogue, and she managed to do that by injecting plenty of hate behind that line and then creating an aura around her through even her movement with how she decided to slink around her scenes instead of just using normal movements. Another example of her, in X2, specifically during when they're breaking into Stryker's compound and they're in the security room, someone, I think it was Wolverine, asks her something, and she says "No", but it's more than just a simple no, because, as Singer and the writers and producers said on the commentary track for the dvd, that she injected so much venom and ice behind that simple "no", which they gave her no prompting to do, that they knew that was the take that they were going to use for the film. So yes, it is VERY MUCH possible that Jones could have taken the initiative to try and spice up some of her dialogue to make it better. A couple instances that immediately come to mind that would have been improved greatly with better line delivery are when she's disgusted by how much of a pig the russian general is when she's telepathically seducing him, but she came across bored to even be there. And when she's delivering her telepathic threat to the US general in the club, there was absolutely no menace behind behind it that I don't think even a child would be scared of her.
If you "can't buy" that any actor or actress can find a way to make a role the best it can be, then I don't know what you think their job is supposed to be. That they just come in, do and say what's on the page, collect their paycheck and leave? No, absolutely not. Actors talk all the time about how they make suggestions during filming or choose to portray things certain ways without prompting. You keep saying that it's a "collaborative" effort, but that also means that she needs to take some initiative to make her role stand out, especially in an ensemble movie franchise like this where it's easy to get lost in the shuffle of so many characters.