DC is shooting themselves in the foot....

[Wildcard]

Am I the only one who sees a problem with all the TV shows DC is trying to get started?

Don't get me wrong, I love good superhero TV shows but they're trying to establish all of these shows and are moving literally as slow as possible with their cinematic universe.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say they need to follow Marvel's approach or put out movies just because...but they've only released one movie (last year) and it'll be over a year before another surfaces.

In the end, I think it's going to hurt them that they're doing all of these TV shows (which aren't even connected to the movie universe). It just seems like a big risk of over-saturation when you're doing TV shows & movies on the same characters.

How is seeing them on the big screen going to be special when I can just wait until the newest episode airs?

 

[SlamAdams]

I don't really see a problem. The TV shows are charming and have nice production values considering where they are, but they can be so much better with a studio budget and talent.

 

[dsfjr1190]

People have been warning us of 'over-saturation' and 'comic book fatigue' for about 15 years. It hasn't happened yet and won't happen for a very long time. As long as the shows and movies are of good quality, the genre isn't going anywhere.

 

[DCW]

I love DC and am so excited for their future.

 

[meanmc]

I do not think, that DC having to much TV shows, but i think they should have more movies NOW!! (also to get some profit out of their TV shows)

People have been warning us of 'over-saturation' and 'comic book fatigue' for about 15 years. It hasn't happened yet and won't happen for a very long time. As long as the shows and movies are of good quality, the genre isn't going anywhere.

I disagree... partly!

The amout of TV shows AND also CBM are increasing. Therefore i do not think that we can compare this to "what was in the last 15 years"!
So, the "comic book fatigue" WILL come - for sure...

I hope not in the next 10 years

But i agree, that, if the CBM are made in a good quality, and diversity (!), there is no ending...
With the TV shows - i think it will be different. Not in 5 years, but surely in the next 7-10 years!

 

[smallville fan]

DC is fine now. Wait until 2016 then judge and discuss.

 

[Marvin]

Don't get me wrong, I love good superhero TV shows but they're trying to establish all of these shows and are moving literally as slow as possible with their cinematic universe.

Don't worry, there are just as many people that think DC is moving 'too fast'(with said cinematic universe), between these two sentiments they will balance themselves right out

 

[SuperFerret]

The TV shows (and by "TV shows", I mean Flash and Arrow) are the best things that DC is putting out currently as far as I'm concerned.

 

[yonny616]

Am I the only one who sees a problem with all the TV shows DC is trying to get started?

Don't get me wrong, I love good superhero TV shows but they're trying to establish all of these shows and are moving literally as slow as possible with their cinematic universe.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say they need to follow Marvel's approach or put out movies just because...but they've only released one movie (last year) and it'll be over a year before another surfaces.

In the end, I think it's going to hurt them that they're doing all of these TV shows (which aren't even connected to the movie universe). It just seems like a big risk of over-saturation when you're doing TV shows & movies on the same characters.

How is seeing them on the big screen going to be special when I can just wait until the newest episode airs?

Yes, you seem to be the only one.

How are they moving slow with their cinematic universe? The DC cinematic universe explodes in 2016 with Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice. We also have the majority of all the heroes who are getting their own films cast. We have Batman, Aquaman, Flash, Cyborg, the entire Suicide Squad cast. I don't see how that's slow in anyway.

Yeah, and after that film -- in the same year -- is another DC movie. Like I said above 2016 is the year their cinematic universe explodes.

Over-saturation would have happened either way since Marvel and DC would have comic book films coming out on a constant basis, and that doesn't include Fox and Sony. Marvel is also making big plays on the TV side with Netflix. What's wrong with DCTV not being connected? It's better this way as the TV shows aren't tied by what happens on film.

Probably because there's a bigger budget, better director and even better cast. I mean, if you enjoyed Flash vs Reverse Flash on the show's mid-season finale imagine how cool it will look on a bigger budget.

 

[Harley2004]

It's actually smart, what they are doing. If the movie, BvS or SS, is good it's good. Connecting it Gotham, or Arrow whatever other show would not make anything better. Just makes it harder for the writers. Character development should be the priority, not connecting universes.

 

[Micromind]

Urmm... DC has a been making TV series based on their comic book properties since many years, shows like ....Wonder Woman ,Superboy, Lois and Clark, Flash, Birds of Prey, Smallville to say nothing about the old George Reeves TV series Superman and Adam West's Batman.

 

[Micromind]

All this talk about "over-saturation" and yet none said anything about it when Marvel licensed their comic book properties to multiple Studios like Fox, Universal, Sony, Lions-gate and Paramount to say nothing about setting up their own Studio and rolling out two movies per year.

 

[SuperFerret]

(That's part of the oversaturation argument. It's actually like 85%, because DC has been scared of giving us movies that aren't based off of Batman during this whole comic book movie boom.)

 

[Micromind]

(That's part of the oversaturation argument. It's actually like 85%, because DC has been scared of giving us movies that aren't based off of Batman during this whole comic book movie boom.)

You missed my point, even when DC was not launching any non Batman related properties, Marvel and the other Marvel licensed properties with other Studios) were still going full steam ahead with their properties....which could have resulted in "over-saturation" but it did not.

 

[Lord]

Wait a second, putting heroes on tv shows is oversaturating, but making more high budgeted superhero movies aiming to be among the highest grossing isn't?

TV is just a different medium, and it is only starting to see more shows based on heroes now, and the most successful ones aren't even in that genre. If anything, what will reach over-saturation is Marvel releasing 3 high profile films, WB releasing 2 high profile films and SONY releasing 1 high profile Spider-Man related film, each one doing so every year.

Fox has been doing a good job with the X-Men franchise for the past 3 films, but the future seems to point at them trying releasing more films based on hero properties of them, like Fantastic Four, which has a decent Director, but development and all news seem incredibly discouraging.

 

[DrMylesOBoogie]

I think it's a bad idea to have multiple actors playing the same parts. My feelings as i post in another thread.

I remember working an office job when 'Superman Returns' came out and non comic fans were completely confused as to the whereabouts of the Smallville cast in that film. 'Doesn't make sense' and 'it's stupid' was the general concensciousto any explanation offered. And it's no coincidence that the shows ratings and popularity started to tumble after the films release. People were also confused about the whereabouts of Robin when Batman Begins came out. While that worked out in the long run the film itself didn't set the world on fire.

People like Robert Downey Jnr as Iron Man much like Chris Reeve became indelible in peoples minds as Superman, to the point that some still can't let that version go. One brand and an iconic definitive take is what should be done for these characters or else they will undermine each other.

These character survive by being serialized in an expanding universe that you can invest in. Look at the last Spider-Man film under-performing. But I guarantee that if they had continued and redeemed the Toby Maguire series that it would be still doing huge numbers because like the Harry Potter series, the history and the payoff would be there for the fanbase. The constant rebooting and re-imagining is a bad idea.

 

[Keehar]

Only a problem if they're all bad quality rush jobs. From what I hear Arrow and Flash are great. Gotham is kind of mixed.

 

[HAMMER]

I don't mind having the all the different iterations, if I don't care to watch something I just don't watch it. At this point there's been 1 movie and 3 shows over 2 networks, and its clearly separate. There the DCCU, The CW's 'Arrowverse' and then the Batman prequel show on Fox.

But I can't imagine there won't be at least some confusion when they're trying to market their Flash movie and the Flash show is in its 4th season. Obviously not for the fans, but for the GA.

Its quite easy for people to accept the dichotomy between a children's cartoon and a live action movie. The same might not hold up so well when you make the comparison between a live action show and a live action movie. There's bound to be some 'Where's Grant Gustin?' Obviously if the film is great, then it won't matter.

 

[Wildcard]

People have been warning us of 'over-saturation' and 'comic book fatigue' for about 15 years. It hasn't happened yet and won't happen for a very long time. As long as the shows and movies are of good quality, the genre isn't going anywhere.

I'm not talking about the genre, I'm talking about DC. A lot of the characters being given TV shows will also appear in the Justice League films, no doubt. And the way I see it that could very well lead to over-saturation.

Also, shoving a bunch of character into one film isn't an "explosion" in terms of opening up a cinematic universe. Don't get me wrong, I think BvS will be great and will be something to behold but if you don't think DC is behind you're not paying attention. Marvel has already made about 10 films and now Warner/DC are trying to play catch up by putting everyone they can into BvS.

Again, I'm not ragging on BvS because it's one of my most anticipated comic book films ever but it would've been nice to see all of those characters you mentioned in their OWN films.

 

[Red Mask]

Am I the only one who sees a problem with all the TV shows DC is trying to get started?

Don't get me wrong, I love good superhero TV shows but they're trying to establish all of these shows and are moving literally as slow as possible with their cinematic universe.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say they need to follow Marvel's approach or put out movies just because...but they've only released one movie (last year) and it'll be over a year before another surfaces.

In the end, I think it's going to hurt them that they're doing all of these TV shows (which aren't even connected to the movie universe). It just seems like a big risk of over-saturation when you're doing TV shows & movies on the same characters.

How is seeing them on the big screen going to be special when I can just wait until the newest episode airs?

This isn't a problem. Television is just as good a screen for these types of stories as movies. It's also steadier work, IMHO. The superhero genre isn't unique in saturating the airwaves, so there's no danger of it dying out for good. Enjoy these years while you can.

 

[Visualiza]

This isn't a problem. Television is just as good a screen for these types of stories as movies. It's also steadier work, IMHO. The superhero genre isn't unique in saturating the airwaves, so there's no danger of it dying out for good. Enjoy these years while you can.

Very well said.

 

[Boom]

Am I the only one who sees a problem with all the TV shows DC is trying to get started?

Don't get me wrong, I love good superhero TV shows but they're trying to establish all of these shows and are moving literally as slow as possible with their cinematic universe.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say they need to follow Marvel's approach or put out movies just because...but they've only released one movie (last year) and it'll be over a year before another surfaces.

In the end, I think it's going to hurt them that they're doing all of these TV shows (which aren't even connected to the movie universe). It just seems like a big risk of over-saturation when you're doing TV shows & movies on the same characters.

How is seeing them on the big screen going to be special when I can just wait until the newest episode airs?

Man of Steel (2013)
Batman v Superman (2016)
Suicide Squad (2016)
Wonder Woman (2017)
Justice League Part I (2017)
The Flash (2018)
Aquaman (2018)
Shazam (2019)
Justice League Part II (2019)
Cyborg (2020)
Green Lantern (2020)
Man of Steel 2 (???)
Batman (???)

That doesn't exactly look like "moving as slow as possible" to me. Once BvS hits, they're planning to put out two DC films a year over the course of four years. Sure, there's that three-year gap between MoS and BvS (due to what is now looking like a most-welcomed delay), but people seem to forget that when the MCU was first starting out, there was a 2-year gap between The Incredible Hulk (2008) and Iron Man 2 (2010). Marvel didn't come out firing with two films a year from the get-go.

WB is making a push to get their universe started. It may be coming eight years after Marvel, but I'll take "late" over "never" in a heartbeat, especially considering that the latter was looking more likely under WB's previous management. Why fans continue to crucify them, I frankly do not understand. They're making an effort. Let's see what the first couple of movies look like before declaring that they've shot themselves in the foot. And I say that as someone who is A) not one of Zack Snyder's biggest fans, and B) not very fond of Man of Steel.

As for the television shows, CW's audience is a fraction of the global movie-going public. It's a non-factor as far as the movies are concerned.

 

[snpklsdmbldr]

there are a lot of tv shows today in the same genre but I don't see people claiming there's oversaturation. it's not like people are forced to watch all of those shows.

 

[DlAMONDZ]

A couple of months ago it was "DC is moving too fast".

So which is it? Too fast or too slow?

 

[Wildcard]

This isn't a problem. Television is just as good a screen for these types of stories as movies. It's also steadier work, IMHO. The superhero genre isn't unique in saturating the airwaves, so there's no danger of it dying out for good. Enjoy these years while you can.

Again, I am not talking about the genre as a whole, only DC. Once more, I am referring to DC only and not the entire superhero genre. I'm not worried about the genre dying out any time soon...in fact I don't expect it to die out at all.

Now, I'm not saying that putting superheroes on television is a problem. But I'm saying that putting characters on TV that are supposed to be getting their own films as well or appear within the DCCU could make those characters in particular over-saturated.

The problems I speak of would affect DC & DC only and only certain characters...in particular the ones who will be appearing in multiple mediums co-existing all at once.

Of course this problem can be side-stepped if DC plans on introducing new characters to the big screen that would be considered a "gamble" or "lesser known."