DC vs. MARVEL, NOT HOW IT SHOULD BE.

[Spider-Bat]

Sure we all have our faves and there's always those who want to argue over what franchise is better, but I just love Superheroes, and yes my fave is DC and Batman but I think in the long run what matters is how the movie is made and that it's faithful and well made.

As a comic book fan we should applaud any comic movie done well and not argue over it just be happy it was good.

Like with Batman Begins and Ironman, they're both done well and faithfully, maybe some differences but not as bad as what's been done before in movies and tv.

Batman and Marvel had gotten so screwed over in the past it's just nice to see them finally get done right.

I have said things before like this movie's better than that but I'm done with that, as someone who loves Superheroes, it doesn't matter which is which what matters is Comic Superheroes are respected and done faithfully so that eventually they don't go away. 'Cause if they were to keep making unfaithful garbage that no fan wants to see that keeps bombing then they'd be in trouble, but thanks to Batman Begins and Marvel Studio's Ironman and now TIH, I think we'll be okay.

I'm not trying to preach that you shouldn't say this or that but just as fans we should support the movies done right and hope our Heroes keep getting brought to life the right way.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Sure we all have our faves and there's always those who want to argue over what franchise is better, but I just love Superheroes, and yes my fave is DC and Batman but I think in the long run what matters is how the movie is made and that it's faithful and well made.

As a comic book fan we should applaud any comic movie done well and not argue over it just be happy it was good.

Like with Batman Begins and Ironman, they're both done well and faithfully, maybe some differences but not as bad as what's been done before in movies and tv.

Batman and Marvel had gotten so screwed over in the past it's just nice to see them finally get done right.

I have said things before like this movie's better than that but I'm done with that, as someone who loves Superheroes, it doesn't matter which is which what matters is Comic Superheroes are respected and done faithfully so that eventually they don't go away. 'Cause if they were to keep making unfaithful garbage that no fan wants to see that keeps bombing then they'd be in trouble, but thanks to Batman Begins and Marvel Studio's Ironman and now TIH, I think we'll be okay.

I'm not trying to preach that you shouldn't say this or that but just as fans we should support the movies done right and hope our Heroes keep getting brought to life the right way.

I applaud your sentiment but you are misunderstanding one essential thing; whether a film is 'good' or not is a personal opinion, never any kind of fact.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Which is why this debate rages on without end. The only thing that's a provable fact is ticket sales...

 

[Peyton Westlake]

Which is why this debate rages on without end. The only thing that's a provable fact is ticket sales...

You can even argue that fact if you like. A movie that made say, $200 million in 1985, due to ticket prices then, clearly had more people line up to see it. Do we go by how many saw it or just flat out cash.?

 

[Clank81]

You could go with cash and adjust numbers for inflation.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Sure we all have our faves and there's always those who want to argue over what franchise is better, but I just love Superheroes, and yes my fave is DC and Batman but I think in the long run what matters is how the movie is made and that it's faithful and well made.

As a comic book fan we should applaud any comic movie done well and not argue over it just be happy it was good.

Like with Batman Begins and Ironman, they're both done well and faithfully, maybe some differences but not as bad as what's been done before in movies and tv.

Batman and Marvel had gotten so screwed over in the past it's just nice to see them finally get done right.

I have said things before like this movie's better than that but I'm done with that, as someone who loves Superheroes, it doesn't matter which is which what matters is Comic Superheroes are respected and done faithfully so that eventually they don't go away. 'Cause if they were to keep making unfaithful garbage that no fan wants to see that keeps bombing then they'd be in trouble, but thanks to Batman Begins and Marvel Studio's Ironman and now TIH, I think we'll be okay.

I'm not trying to preach that you shouldn't say this or that but just as fans we should support the movies done right and hope our Heroes keep getting brought to life the right way.

Agreed, i think the divide is pathetic, i love both Marvel and DC characters, not to mention the likes of HellBoy and Transformers and i'm not biased towards any of them, nor will i ever be, i think its ridiculous and many people on here just take it beyond extreme's.

I have seen and bought practically every CB movie since Blade and i will continue to do so if they are worthy of my money IMO.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I "feel you" on that. I'm primarily a Marvel fan. Always have been, always will be. THey're the characters I grew up with, even when DC was more prominent. I came out of the first Superman movie wondering when a Spider-Man movie would be made. I came out of the first Batman movie wondering when a Spider-Man movie would be made. Hell, I can say the same of Blade & X-Men. The only DC character I've ever read w/any regularity is Batman.
However, what I'm not about to do is perpetuate the goofy concept of a "war" between the companies; a clash of the titans. That way of thinking would either cause me to miss out on what I'd anticipate being a really good movie, ("I can't go see that; it's DC!")or support a really crappy one ("Who cares if it's any good or not? It's MARVEL! I have to see it 15 times!") all out of some misguided sense of loyalty. And I refuse to do either.

 

[Chris Wallace]

You could go with cash and adjust numbers for inflation.

True.
I think DC fans in general would be a lot happier if another hero-someone who hasn't been on the silver screen 5-7 times over the last 30 years, was given a real shot & treated with respect.

 

[cerealkiller182]

You can even argue that fact if you like. A movie that made say, $200 million in 1985, due to ticket prices then, clearly had more people line up to see it. Do we go by how many saw it or just flat out cash.?

Or the fact that ticket sales dont always mean great reception. Movies have done horribly in theaters but fantastic on DVD. The first Hulk made money but had horrible reception. Yet I believe Hellboy and the Punisher did much better on DVD rather than theaters (not positive but pretty sure) and with these movies I have rarely heard someone see Hellboy and not enjoy it (i know there around but from personal experience) and Punisher seems down the middler with a hater for every fan around these boards.

 

[Peyton Westlake]

Or the fact that ticket sales dont always mean great reception. Movies have done horribly in theaters but fantastic on DVD. The first Hulk made money but had horrible reception. Yet I believe Hellboy and the Punisher did much better on DVD rather than theaters (not positive but pretty sure) and with these movies I have rarely heard someone see Hellboy and not enjoy it (i know there around but from personal experience) and Punisher seems down the middler with a hater for every fan around these boards.

Thank you for the addition.

 

[Peyton Westlake]

Or the fact that ticket sales dont always mean great reception. Movies have done horribly in theaters but fantastic on DVD. The first Hulk made money but had horrible reception. Yet I believe Hellboy and the Punisher did much better on DVD rather than theaters (not positive but pretty sure) and with these movies I have rarely heard someone see Hellboy and not enjoy it (i know there around but from personal experience) and Punisher seems down the middler with a hater for every fan around these boards.

Thanx for the well thought addition.

 

[Peyton Westlake]

Or the fact that ticket sales dont always mean great reception. Movies have done horribly in theaters but fantastic on DVD. The first Hulk made money but had horrible reception. Yet I believe Hellboy and the Punisher did much better on DVD rather than theaters (not positive but pretty sure) and with these movies I have rarely heard someone see Hellboy and not enjoy it (i know there around but from personal experience) and Punisher seems down the middler with a hater for every fan around these boards.

Thanx for the well thought addition.

 

[Peyton Westlake]

Or the fact that ticket sales dont always mean great reception. Movies have done horribly in theaters but fantastic on DVD. The first Hulk made money but had horrible reception. Yet I believe Hellboy and the Punisher did much better on DVD rather than theaters (not positive but pretty sure) and with these movies I have rarely heard someone see Hellboy and not enjoy it (i know there around but from personal experience) and Punisher seems down the middler with a hater for every fan around these boards.

Thanx for the well thought addition.

 

[Peyton Westlake]

Or the fact that ticket sales dont always mean great reception. Movies have done horribly in theaters but fantastic on DVD. The first Hulk made money but had horrible reception. Yet I believe Hellboy and the Punisher did much better on DVD rather than theaters (not positive but pretty sure) and with these movies I have rarely heard someone see Hellboy and not enjoy it (i know there around but from personal experience) and Punisher seems down the middler with a hater for every fan around these boards.

Thanx for the well thought addition.

 

[Peyton Westlake]

Or the fact that ticket sales dont always mean great reception. Movies have done horribly in theaters but fantastic on DVD. The first Hulk made money but had horrible reception. Yet I believe Hellboy and the Punisher did much better on DVD rather than theaters (not positive but pretty sure) and with these movies I have rarely heard someone see Hellboy and not enjoy it (i know there around but from personal experience) and Punisher seems down the middler with a hater for every fan around these boards.

Thanx for the well thought addition.

 

[Peyton Westlake]

Sorry, dont know how that posted 4 times. Got internet failure error, and next I know when I came back, there it was.

 

[Heretic]

A note on Box office reciepts verses DVD sales...
To my surprise, Boondock Saints only made $683,000 at the box office due to limited release...

Regarding Marvel vs DC...this is the height of ridiculousness. Comic books as a medium are still considered literary garbage. Things are slowly changing, but the world at large still thinks are medium of choice is foolish. Therefore, we have a much bgger fight on our hands and should not concern ourselves over which company is doing better than another.

Whether it's Captain America, Zot, Beanworld, Savage Dragon, The Jam, Strangers In Paradise, Cerebus, Hepcats, Night Man, Megalith, Flash, Warriors Of Plasm or Archer And Armstrong we should be supporting the concept of the elvation of medium in the eyes of the general public even if it, sadly, is due to changing mediums altogether.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I agree with that to an extent. However, I don't think I'm alone insaying that I'm more likely to get hyped over the adaptation of a character I grew up with than one I've never been all that interested in. And it's not like one movie really has the power to make or break the genre. We like to think it does, but it doesn't. If it did, then we'd do best to avoid anything that ridicules the medium (Zoom, Sky High, Superhero Movie, etc) & strictly support the serious projects. But for every "Spider-Man" there will always be a "Son Of The Mask". Or a "Judge Dredd". Or a "Catwoman".
You should go to movies to be entertained & not get hung up on a bunch of silly labels that ultimately mean nothing. I'll bet the publishers & creators aren't as hung up in this BS competition as a lot of the fans seem to be. You think Joe Quesada's gonna blow his brains out if "The Dark Knight" does well-even if it outsells "Iron Man"?
I doubt it.

 

[Heretic]

Marvel probably understands that any great comic book film that does well financially can only help Marvel in the future.

I actually do avoid movies that ridicule the medium. Its part of my responsibility as a fan. And you're right that we get a lot of stinkers, but thats a bit of an issue that we as fandom should figure out. When comic movies first started doing well, it seemed like the meda was looking for one to fail so they could declare the genre dead. Now, we've had so many successes, perhaps we have reached the point where a bomb or two wont hurt us?? I give my money to films that I know I'll hate (Ghost Rider, Fantastic Four 2, Elektra) because they are comic movies and I want them to have my money. It would be cool if one or two bombs would tell the industry that we want GOOD movies as opposed to the comic movie trend being over, but Im not sure if we've reached that point. I will not, by any means be giving my money to GI Joe, so I guess theres hope for me yet...

 

[Spider-Vader]

I thought this was thread about a cross-over. Which would be awesome, but would better as a team-up movie. Imagine it Batman, Spidey, Wolverine, Caps, Iron Man, Supes, Flash, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern & Hulk teaming up to stop Doom & Luthor or Galactus.

I'm mainly a Marvel guy (I realyl only like Flash & Batman), but yeah I could careless as long as the characters I like get good movies.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Well, I liked every Marvel movie besides Elektra. As I said, I won't support something if I don't expect to like it. I wouldn't do that in any genre.
I, too, avoid movies that ridicule the medium but that's b/c I expect them to be stupid.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I thought this was thread about a cross-over. Which would be awesome, but would better as a team-up movie. Imagine it Batman, Spidey, Wolverine, Caps, Iron Man, Supes, Flash, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern & Hulk teaming up to stop Doom & Luthor or Galactus.

I'm mainly a Marvel guy (I realyl only like Flash & Batman), but yeah I could careless as long as the characters I like get good movies.

I wouldn't want a crossover movie. I sincerely doubt it'll ever happen & if it did, it would be an overcrowded, convoluted mess.

 

[Spider-Vader]

I say they should just stick with the main characters. The ones I mentioned (maybe minus Hulk or WW) would do.

 

[Raiden]

I'm a Marvel fan since '88 (when I first gotten into comics), and I think no matter who is more successful at the BO, both companies will profit because it'd mean more of their projects will get off the back burner. The only DC superhero I really like is the Batman (which I used to collect back in the days), but I'd go see a well-crafted DC movie based on other superheroes if they make them, but WB only seemed to want to make Supe and Bat movies while disregarding WW, GL, Flash, etc.

I hope that with the inevitable success of TDK, Marvel will use that as the motivation to make sure the other movies they want to release in the next several years will receive the best treatment. It's now an arms race, and fans are the biggest winners. I'm very happy because all the superheroes I read in my youth are turning into live-action movies. Although Marvel is still my favorite, I wish both companies to succeed.