The Dark Knight Rises Deacon Joseph Blackfire

In a TV series, I'd love to see him. Not on film, at the expense of more deserving characters.

Thats no reason to choose a villain. He's as deserving as the next. It's whoever is best suited for Nolan's story. That's what's important.

If its not Deacon, fine. But I certainly won't shun any character because they aren't what I want to see.

Story is what matters most.
 
^ I'm sure Nolan and Goyer can dream up an incredible story without drawing inspiration from something like "The Cult". It just isn't a very good idea.
 
There will be a main villain, you better believe there will be. The conflict won't stem from Batman ruining from the law for two hours. That's not epic enough.



I never said Nolan was a hack. A hack would pick the story you keep presenting as the way YOU THINK it will go.

And I've read what your saying. And I'm sick of reading your stupid childish insults, based solely on the fact that you don't like a villain I am suggesting. Grow up, whiner! Isn't there an X-MEN ORIGINS board you could be trolling right about now?

So you think that Nolan can make a good movie with a religious nut, but you dont think he can make a great Batman movie without a main villain?You must not have the utmost confidence in Nolan because even id admit that if for some fluke reason he used a dumb villain like deacon, id still be interested in how it turns out, because its Nolan were talking here.

And YOU ARE THE ONE SAYING HED RUN FROM THE LAW, NOT ME. And what story? I just said i could see Nolan not using a main villain . I dont think i got any further than that.

Your putting words in my mouth and using that as an argument.
 
So you think that Nolan can make a good movie with a religious nut, but you dont think he can make a great Batman movie without a main villain?

No.

Without an antagonist, there is no conflict. No conflict, you have no drama. No drama, you have no story. Its the basics of writing.

And Goyer confirmed they had a theme and a villain anyway, so your idea is bunk.

You must not have the utmost confidence in Nolan

I do. I trust that he's smart enough to include a villain, cause he knows how important conflict is to a story. Unlike you.
 
Yeah, lets not have a villain. Lets have Batman clean his back yard for two and a half hours. It'll be edgy! It'll be different! AN EPIC!

We'll call it THE DARK KNIGHT RAKES LEAVES!
 
Is it wrong that I would pay to see that?
 
I haven't even read The Cult yet, but I don't understand why some people are against the idea solely because of the religious angle. Some of the worst real villains in the world have used religion to their advantage in one way or another. Someone mentioned Charles Manson.. then there's people like Jim Jones, Tomás de Torquemada, Eric Rudolph, the KKK, etc. Would I prefer a more traditional villain? Certainly. But there's no denying that religion is a powerful tool that can be used to manipulate people into doing things that they might not do otherwise. That kind of thing would fit in quite well in Nolan's world.
 
Yeah, lets not have a villain. Lets have Batman clean his back yard for two and a half hours. It'll be edgy! It'll be different! AN EPIC!

We'll call it THE DARK KNIGHT RAKES LEAVES!



This is my last time responding to you, because wasting my time aruging with a ******ed pathetic piece of **** like you is pointless.

YOU ARE ASSUMING THAT IT WOULD BE LAME WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING WHAT NOLAN WOULD DO, YOUR ASSUMING IT WOULD BE BORING, OR THERE WOULD BE NO CONFLICT. DID YOU NOT WATCH INCEPTION?

YOU DON'T NEED A VILLLAIN FOR CONFLICT ONLY A SIMPLE MINDED *****EBAG LIKE YOU WOULD SAY SOMETHING AS STUPID AS THAT. GREAT CHARACTERS AND STORY CAN CREATE CONFLICT,

And again i dont WANT this to happen. but i wouldn't be suprised if it did, your right it probably wont but iam just speculating, just because i speculate on something DOESNT MEAN I WANT THAT TO HAPPEN.

And you said Goyer said he had a "Theme and Villain" yet he wasn't specific, Nolan and Co interpretation of a Villain could be anything for this movie, you the simple minded idiot assume that he is being straight foward, yeah sure maybe he isn't being subtle and has villain, or maybe h doesnt.

Right now, none of us no anything about this movie so quit acting like you know something, i am SPECULATING.
 
Play nice, boys, or else you're gonna have to take a nap! :oldrazz:
 
This is my last time responding to you,

Eurika!

because wasting my time aruging with a ******ed pathetic piece of **** like you is pointless.

Further showing the brains behind the mouth. :whatever: I'm really surprised you haven't been warned or banned yet.

YOU DON'T NEED A VILLLAIN FOR CONFLICT ONLY A SIMPLE MINDED *****EBAG LIKE YOU WOULD SAY SOMETHING AS STUPID AS THAT. GREAT CHARACTERS AND STORY CAN CREATE CONFLICT,

Again with the insults.

You need an antagonist for conflict. Someone in a direct line of opposition to what the main character wants or sets out to achieve.

And again i dont WANT this to happen. but i wouldn't be suprised if it did, your right it probably wont but iam just speculating, just because i speculate on something DOESNT MEAN I WANT THAT TO HAPPEN.

I really don't care what you want to have happen.

You're a disrespectful little worm who can't show some common decency (by insulting other board members with profanity) simply because you don't like their ideas.

I'm done with you.
 
Is it wrong that I would pay to see that?

No. It'd be hilarious. He's keep like, raking up his cape and tripping on it and such.

Ask me how I know.
 
Because I went as Batman for trick or treat in sixth grade, only I didn't do my leaf raking chores as I was asked, I just got into my costume. So my mom made me rake the leaves before I could go trick or treating, so I did it in my Batman costume, and the cape kept getting stuck in the rake.
 
Because I went as Batman for trick or treat in sixth grade, only I didn't do my leaf raking chores as I was asked, I just got into my costume. So my mom made me rake the leaves before I could go trick or treating, so I did it in my Batman costume, and the cape kept getting stuck in the rake.
:lmao:Oh, those capes.
 
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/blogs/popcornbiz/Cinematograher-Wally-Pfister-106706218.html
Batman's Christopher Nolan Has His Own Robin


As Batman has his trusted and loyal valet Alfred, director Christopher Nolan has his go-to cinematographer Wally Pfister.

As the director readies “The Dark Knight Rises,” the third installment of his revered reboot of the Batman film franchise, it’s a fait accompli that his longtime director of photography Pfister, who’s made six films with Nolan, will be fighting the good fight at his side.

“I really follow Chris,” Pfister, who’s camera has created emblematic images for each of Nolan’s feature films, tells PopcornBiz. “He could go marching off a cliff and I'd be right there with him. He's just such an exceptionally talented director and writer, and so really I just kind of roll with it from one picture to the next. He gives us something amazing as the audience, whether it's a Batman picture or 'The Prestige' or 'Insomnia' or 'Inception.’ It's something completely different every time and I'm always there for the ride.”

Pfister says the cinematic imagery starts to take life the moment he delves into the screenplay for Nolan’s latest project, with the director has typically shaped himself with his collaborators.

“It always begins with his word,” says Pfister. “It's always like reading Chris's words and getting my early inspiration that way and then when I start to break it down in my head then Chris and I get together and we have conversations and it really is just a series of conversations that leads to the visual blueprint for the film. It's a great experience with Chris. We've been working together for eleven years and it's a fantastic collaboration – and one that I cherish.”

It might surprise some admirers of Pfister’s arresting camerawork in “Batman Begins” and “The Dark Knight,” considered to be the definitive cinematic interpretations of the 71-year-old superhero, that he very rarely turned to the comic book source material when envisioning the imagery.

“I didn't really look at the comic books for inspiration for the Batman films,” he says. “We looked at much more realistic kind of films, more gritty films, things, oddly enough, like 'Apocalypse Now'. We wanted it to be a real film. We wanted Batman to be a real person, and so the look followed that. So much more gritty than the previous films have been.”

Meanwhile, as they say in the comics, Pfister formed a team-up with another powerful director, Bennett Miller (“Capote”), and a group of cinema superpowers. “I finished a film called 'Moneyball' with Brad Pitt, Phillip Seymour Hoffman and Jonah Hill. It's a baseball movie, and it's a great film,” he says. “Brad is a regular guy. I really, really enjoy working with him. I think also he's a fantastic actor, too. He really brought so much to that part and he crafted it to work for him and it really made sense to me. He was such a lovely guy to be with on set and he's such a pleasure to work with in general and creatively just smart and strong.”

Wonder if they could have also been looking at it or been an influence for Deacon Blackfire, as Colonal Kurtz (Brando) does have his own cult thing going on.
 
First off, The Cult was a complete peice of garbage and probably the worst art of Bernie Wrightsons career. I read it when it first came out. The 'coloring' was like technicolor throw-up and the story tries hard to top The Dark Knight returns(which it tries to borrow so much from) and Watchmen with some misguided shock factor. Jim Starlin wanted to create a 'masterpiece' but produced one of Batman's worst, schlockiest stories not fit for a special edition format.

You're so dead-wrong about the art!! It's among Wrightson's best. It's right up there with his Swamp Thing stuff. I agree to a point about Starlin's approach, but Wrightson did great.
 
Wonder if they could have also been looking at it or been an influence for Deacon Blackfire, as Colonal Kurtz (Brando) does have his own cult thing going on.

He is talking about the Nolan films in general compared to the previous films . Nothing about TDKR.


I have no idea who the villain will be but I would say Deacon Blackfire is a long shot until I hear otherwise
 
You're so dead-wrong about the art!! It's among Wrightson's best. It's right up there with his Swamp Thing stuff. I agree to a point about Starlin's approach, but Wrightson did great.

I admit I haven't looked at that book in a while so perhaps i went a little off the deep end about the pencils and inks....but I still remember the color art vividly and it was ugly and sloppy as hell. the black and white art deserves a second look tho,cause wrightsons stuff is great. I'll try to find it online somewhere....!
 
I admit I haven't looked at that book in a while so perhaps i went a little off the deep end about the pencils and inks....but I still remember the color art vividly and it was ugly and sloppy as hell. the black and white art deserves a second look tho,cause wrightsons stuff is great. I'll try to find it online somewhere....!

I always thought the art was stark and creepy. Made it feel almost like a John Carpenter film.
 
I have been lurking here for awhile and decided to join this discussion.If I was writing the script I would have a newspaper article about the establishment of the Wayne Foundation and have Deacon Blackfire's homeless shelter be one of the first charities the Foundation is funding.Throw in a photo of Bruce and Blackfire and there ya go.A cool little cameo and perhaps a look at a future villain.
 
He is talking about the Nolan films in general compared to the previous films . Nothing about TDKR.


I have no idea who the villain will be but I would say Deacon Blackfire is a long shot until I hear otherwise

Well its a recent article. And more than likely he could be saying he looked at that for BB and TDK, or maybe they just watched it and sited it as an example.

I don't really see the influences of APOCOLYPSE NOW in TDK or BB. So perhaps they are using it as an influence for TDKR. And if they are, could it be they are watching, to try and get an influence of a Cult style figure like Brando's character? And how gritty it was?

Probably not, but you never know. Blade Runner and Heat were sited as examples of influences for the first two. Even shades of Kubrick in TDK.
 

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