Deadpool Deadpool News and Discussion - Part 2

[CyclopsWasRight]

Anti-Heroes or those with a violent past seem to be X-Force criteria.

Of the current characters i think those that would fit X-Force would be Wolverine, Havok, Deadpool, Archangel & Psylocke.

Though In the movie id ideally like Deadpool, X23, Archangel, Fantomex & Psylocke

 

[def28]

Pretty much.

Mercs, ex assassins, thieves, people who were originally programed to be weapons themselves etc. Lotta rage issues and mental stability conflicts haha.

It can't play like X-Men 2.0, and since there is a New Mutant film coming out it's probably best to stay away from the younger characters who were part of the early New Mutants/X-Force run as well.

I really want Psylocke and Archangel on the team, but I have a feeling since Singer put them in the past that we are out of luck. Hopefully not, but I don't think he's the kind of person who is trying to set up characters to fit outside of what he himself wants to do with them.

The one thing I'm pretty confident that will happen is that X-Force will be the Cable, Domino and Deadpool show. Which I have no issue with and makes perfect sense. They will wanna market Deadpool more and Neena along with Nate are his closest allies.

 

[mr. peasant]

Colossus really doesn't have the right moral to be a permanent X-Force member imo. In the comics the dude had nowhere else to go, was depressed for doing something he didn't have control of and then locked himself in jail during his brief X-Force run. He's too good of a guy and usually only resorts to stuff like that when it's his only option, and then he still feels bad about it.

Domino, Cable, X-23, Boom Boom, Deadpool, Fantomex, Wolverine etc All have a bit more of a flexible moral when it comes to killing people. Which is a big theme on X-Force. To have a goody two shoes character doesn't really make much sense unless he's fighting them.

I feel it works since in ensemble movies, there needs to be the token goodie/white hat to act as the moral centre of the team. Especially if the rest of the team are amoral anti-heroes. It adds variety to the personalities in the team, helps balance things out against the others, and helps prevent things from getting too bleak/dark.

 

[jed]

I can't believe till now, we still don't know who is the actor playing Colossus.

 

[def28]

His name is Andre Tricoteux, he's a stunt man. We have knwon that for awhile. There's no reason we would know who the actual voice talent is this early.

I feel it works since in ensemble movies, there needs to be the token goodie/white hat to act as the moral centre of the team. Especially if the rest of the team are amoral anti-heroes. It adds variety to the personalities in the team, helps balance things out against the others, and helps prevent things from getting too bleak/dark.

That's pretty much the leads job though. With the comics it's Wolverine, Cable or Psylocke. For humor you add people like Deadpool or Boom Boom in there.

X-Force is a pretty dark comic, the only X book outside of Deadpool and Wolverine rated Mature. So naturally this team is represented through the more dark and aggressive characters. The Yost and Remender run especially. All these characters clash with eachother cause they have authority and trust issues along with different motives. Just cause they are more violent and destructive doesn't mean they share the same personality.

Now someone like Colossus would either stand down, tell Prof X or try to stop them everytime someone pointd a gun and was about to pull the trigger. He's perfect for the themes of the Deadpool film because they are trying to show that line between hero, villain and anti-hero. But for him to actually be on a team that is known for having a roster of pretty much all assassins, mercs etc is off for the character. Characters like him, Storm, Kitty, Iceman and Beast don't really belong here. Unless they are some sort of alt dark version of themselves. Like Dark Angel Saga had with Nightcrawler. Which was a much more blood thirsty and revenge seeking version of himself. He straight out threw AOA Iceman in a furnace and wanted nothing more then to murder the Blob for what he did to his wife. He was also a double crosser.

Gambit is a character I can see being added. Even though he's never been a part of X-Force in the comic.

 

[mr. peasant]

His name is Andre Tricoteux, he's a stunt man. We have knwon that for awhile. There's no reason we would know who the actual voice talent is this early.


That's pretty much the leads job though. With the comics it's Wolverine, Cable or Psylocke. For humor you add people like Deadpool or Boom Boom in there.

X-Force is a pretty dark comic, the only X book outside of Deadpool and Wolverine rated Mature. So naturally this team is represented through the more dark and aggressive characters. The Yost and Remender run especially. All these characters clash with eachother cause they have authority and trust issues along with different motives. Just cause they are more violent and destructive doesn't mean they share the same personality.

Now someone like Colossus would either stand down, tell Prof X or try to stop them everytime someone pointd a gun and was about to pull the trigger. He's perfect for the themes of the Deadpool film because they are trying to show that line between hero, villain and anti-hero. But for him to actually be on a team that is known for having a roster of pretty much all assassins, mercs etc is off for the character. Characters like him, Storm, Kitty, Iceman and Beast don't really belong here. Unless they are some sort of alt dark version of themselves. Like Dark Angel Saga had with Nightcrawler. Which was a much more blood thirsty and revenge seeking version of himself. He straight out threw AOA Iceman in a furnace and wanted nothing more then to murder the Blob for what he did to his wife. He was also a double crosser.

I disagree. That's traditionally more the role of The Heart more than anything. In the absence of which, the role can either be filled by The Leader or The Lancer. In short, it far from always (or even often) has to be the Team Leader who acts as the moral compass for the rest of the team. For instance, in the Guardians of the Galaxy movie, Gamora was the one definitely keeping the team on the straighter and narrower, even though it was Quill/Star-Lord who was the leader of the group.

 

[def28]

Well the "heart" in the case of Uncanny X-Force was actually Deadpool. It's Psylocke at times as well. But Deadpool was the emotional core in the end during that story in regards to Evan. He was the one character who everyone thought was just bat **** crazy with no morality but he put down his foot on things like killing a child. Even if it meant stopping him from being evil and destroying the world. And that made Wolverine second guess himself and even look bad since he gave the orders. But plenty of the heartfelt endearing stuff actually comes from Wade by stories end.

Again, it doesn't need to be a goody two shoes character to get the point across. You can't make these anti-hero X-Force characters one dimensional like that. They need to display more then black and white characteristics. These guys however do ****ed up stuff that most X-men just don't have the stomach for. Hence why Deadpool is on the team from the get go in UXF. There's just no way a character like Colossus would even sign up for some of this stuff. The X-Men have a strict no killing rule to start with. And that's why when the writers did add Colossus to the roster it was because he was an outlaw himself with nowhere else to go

 

[mr. peasant]

Well the "heart" in the case of Uncanny X-Force was actually Deadpool. At times it could be argued Psylocke. But Deadpool was the emotional core in the end during that story in regards to Evan. He was the one character on the team who put down his foot on things like killing a child. Even if it meant stopping him from being evil and destroying the world. And that made Wolverine second guess himself.

Again, it doesn't need to be a goody two shoes character to get the point across. You can't make these X-Force characters one dimensional like that. These guys however do ****ed up stuff that most X-men just don't have the stomach for. Hence why Deadpool is on the team from the get go.

Actually, Deadpool is only in the latest incarnation of the group, and there have been many different rosters in the past; each with their own dynamic between their members. X-Force's schtick is just that it is darker and edgier than the regular X-Men, especially with regards to their mission. How they go about it and the temperaments of each member will vary from group to group.

As such, I think it's very premature to say that movie Colossus would not be a good fit for an X-Force film considering:

1. We don't know anything about his personality.
2. We don't know who else would be in this hypothetical team.

 

[def28]

I didn't want to use every single run of X-Force as an example. But since we all can safely assume Wade will be here I thought it was good to point that out. They are different, but look at the rosters there. They cannot do the New Mutant/X-Force stuff cause that's gonna be it's own film. So this is more then likely gonna be the reckless/harsh side of X-Men, as it should be to separate itself.

And with what you said earlier on GOTG, Gamora is not a morally perfect girl scout. She's an assassin herself with a tough as nails attitude, but she can still fill that "Heart" role as you pointed out. Someone like Domino can easily play that as well. In fact I think GOTG is a great comparison here. It's a team of thieves and assassins. That's the whole jest of it. If it was Captain America on that team the whole dynamic would be switched. Same goes for X-Force.

As for Colossus (script spoilers)

Spoiler

he is fighting Wade because the X-Men are keeping an eye on him. He is being used here in the script because he is a good person, and like you were saying that' " goody two shoes" persona is a great role to have as contrast to an anti-hero. By the end he gives Deadpool a choice, one that an X-Men who does not believe in murder would say. So yeah, based on that moment. I don't buy that he would join up with mercs and assassins who are probably gonna be assigned to kill. It's out of character.

If they want to make heavy changes or not go with the stronger/darker X-Force material then so be it. But I don't think that's a good choice. Gotta grab those themes from Remenders UXF. It stands out as not only the best X-Force but one of the best X-Men runs of all time.

This team is almost certainly gonna include Deadpool, Cable and Domino imo. It would be strange not to given that's where they belong and Neena and Nate have yet to play a part anywhere. Along with Psylocke, Archangel, Warpath, Boom Boom, Fantomex and Wolverine they are pretty much essential X-Force members.

 

[Nathan]

Maybe the X-Force team could start off with Colossus, the team is supposed to do some shadier stuff, but there is supposedly no killing involved. They add Colossus to the team because they need a big gun, and the killing of important targets takes place behind his back, until he finds out the truth. He could still have an influence on Deadpool, he knows everyone else is on board with the killing, but he looks at Wade and says something like "Remember, I told you you had a choice." and then leaves the X-Force.

Eventually leading Deadpool to become the moral center of the team, of all people.

 

[def28]

Anythings possible. They will have a connection after this film so who knows. They def need to get into some other sides of Wade other then the jokey violent stuff.

Love that panel

Always dig when Deadpool points the finger at Wolverine for being as bad as him. Yet the X-Men never treat him like an outcast.

If Prof X in the films had that big of an issue with Mags killing Shaw he should have a field day with all the people Logan has killed. Somehow the dude always gets a pass haha.

 

[chamber-music]

Colossus really doesn't have the right moral to be a permanent X-Force member imo. In the comics the dude had nowhere else to go, was depressed for doing something he didn't have control of and then locked himself in jail during his brief X-Force run. He's too good of a guy and usually only resorts to stuff like that when it's his only option, and then he still feels bad about it.

Domino, Cable, X-23, Boom Boom, Deadpool, Fantomex, Wolverine etc All have a bit more of a flexible moral when it comes to killing people. Which is a big theme on X-Force. To have a goody two shoes character doesn't really make much sense unless he's fighting them.

I don't think Colossus should be in X-Force but he has gone homicidal before when he is in one of his depressed rage states.

Don't forget the time he lost his temper and murdered Riptide or tried to beat Pete Wisdom to death.

 

[mr. peasant]

And with what you said earlier on GOTG, Gamora is not a morally perfect girl scout. She's an assassin herself with a tough as nails attitude, but she can still fill that "Heart" role as you pointed out. Someone like Domino can easily play that as well. In fact I think GOTG is a great comparison here. It's a team of thieves and assassins. That's the whole jest of it. If it was Captain America on that team the whole dynamic would be switched. Same goes for X-Force.

You make it sound like Colossus is some pacifist who is wouldn't hurt a fly.

As for Colossus (script spoilers)

Spoiler

he is fighting Wade because the X-Men are keeping an eye on him. He is being used here in the script because he is a good person, and like you were saying that' " goody two shoes" persona is a great role to have as contrast to an anti-hero. By the end he gives Deadpool a choice, one that an X-Men who does not believe in murder would say. So yeah, based on that moment. I don't buy that he would join up with mercs and assassins who are probably gonna be assigned to kill. It's out of character.

If they want to make heavy changes or not go with the stronger/darker X-Force material then so be it. But I don't think that's a good choice. Gotta grab those themes from Remenders UXF. It stands out as not only the best X-Force but one of the best X-Men runs of all time.

Spoiler

Unless he's brought in specifically to act as the observer to make sure the team doesn't cross the line and become the very things they set out to defeat; much like here, from the sounds of things.

I didn't want to use every single run of X-Force as an example. But since we all can safely assume Wade will be here I thought it was good to point that out. They are different, but look at the rosters there. They cannot do the New Mutant/X-Force stuff cause that's gonna be it's own film. So this is more then likely gonna be the reckless/harsh side of X-Men, as it should be to separate itself.

This team is almost certainly gonna include Deadpool, Cable and Domino imo. It would be strange not to given that's where they belong and Neena and Nate have yet to play a part anywhere. Along with Psylocke, Archangel, Warpath, Boom Boom, Fantomex and Wolverine they are pretty much essential X-Force members.

Hold up. I think this is where we're getting our wires crossed. Are you suggesting that X-Force be part of the (hopefully) Deadpool film franchise? I had been operating on the assumption it would be a spin-off/standalone movie separate from Deadpool; in which case Deadpool (and probably Domino, maybe even Cable) would not be part of the team.

 

[Loki882]

Anythings possible. They will have a connection after this film so who knows. They def need to get into some other sides of Wade other then the jokey violent stuff.

Love that panel

Always dig when Deadpool points the finger at Wolverine for being as bad as him. Yet the X-Men never treat him like an outcast.

If Prof X in the films had that big of an issue with Mags killing Shaw he should have a field day with all the people Logan has killed. Somehow the dude always gets a pass haha.

FC Xavier is like fifty years younger, and lacks OT Xavier's life experiences. Half a century is plenty of time for someone to change their views (or at least moderate them).

 

[Whiskey Tango]

You make it sound like Colossus is some pacifist who is wouldn't hurt a fly.

That isn't what he's saying but Colossus was always portrayed as a kind and peaceful man at heart. When he broke Riptides neck they made a huge deal out of it because it was such a turn and everyone wondered what kind of an effect killing someone would have on such a gentle soul. I agree that he isn't a great fit for X-Force and even if I didn't I wouldn't be pushing for him since two seconds in a trailer isn't enough to convince me he deserves it.

 

[def28]

You make it sound like Colossus is some pacifist who is wouldn't hurt a fly.

My main point has been that more common X-Force characters like Deadpool, Boom Boom, Domino, X-23, Psylocke and Fanotmex don't need to be one dimensional and can still bring "the heart" to a film like GOTG did. They are not all the same personality. Colossus is not required here for that reason. Your argument was that there needs to be a "token goodie" to represent the heart. I don't think that's the case. GOTG didn't need a boy scout, and neither does X-Force. It changes the dynamic.

Colossus may mess up every now and then with heavy violence but it's cause he's been pushed. Not because it's preordained. And like WhiskeyTango said it has impact since he's such a peaceful and kind person.

If someone was messing with Kitty Pryde while they were dating they are in for a world of pain. But planning to actually kill is not in line with him. His personality just isn't great for the team.

Hold up. I think this is where we're getting our wires crossed. Are you suggesting that X-Force be part of the (hopefully) Deadpool film franchise? I had been operating on the assumption it would be a spin-off/standalone movie separate from Deadpool; in which case Deadpool (and probably Domino, maybe even Cable) would not be part of the team.

Either an X-Force film or the Deadpool films are gonna be used for those characters. The Wadlow X-Force script featured Cable and Deadpool and now we have heard that Reynolds, Tim Miller and according to Faraci and some other site Fox themsleves want Cable in Deadpool.

Which one they actually make and go with I have no idea. But I'm assuming they want both. Deadpool is getting them more attention then Wolverine and for cheap.

FC Xavier is like fifty years younger, and lacks OT Xavier's life experiences. Half a century is plenty of time for someone to change their views (or at least moderate them).

I'm not following you here. Comics or films Wolverine constantly gets away with killing. Very few X-Men comics actually make an issue out of this nearly as much as they should, and the films are alittle too forgiving or just skip over the issue.

I really don't care because I like seeing Wolverine slice peolpe up. But I just find that funny how the films kinda skip all that stuff.

 

[Spidey17]

My main point has been that more common X-Force characters like Deadpool, Boom Boom, Domino, X-23, Psylocke and Fanotmex don't need to be one dimensional and can still bring "the heart" to a film like GOTG did. They are not all the same personality. Colossus is not required here for that reason. Your argument was that there needs to be a "token goodie" to represent the heart. I don't think that's the case. GOTG didn't need a boy scout, and neither does X-Force. It changes the dynamic.

Colossus may mess up every now and then with heavy violence but it's cause he's been pushed. Not because it's preordained. And like WhiskeyTango said it has impact since he's such a peaceful and kind person.

If someone was messing with Kitty Pryde while they were dating they are in for a world of pain. But planning to actually kill is not in line with him. His personality just isn't great for the team.




Either an X-Force film or the Deadpool films are gonna be used for those characters. The Wadlow X-Force script featured Cable and Deadpool and now we have heard that Reynolds, Tim Miller and according to Faraci and some other site Fox themsleves want Cable in Deadpool.

Which one they actually make and go with I have no idea. But I'm assuming they want both. Deadpool is getting them more attention then Wolverine and for cheap.



I'm not following you here. Comics or films Wolverine constantly gets away with killing. Very few X-Men comics actually make an issue out of this nearly as much as they should, and the films are alittle too forgiving or just skip over the issue.

I really don't care because I like seeing Wolverine slice peolpe up. But I just find that funny how the films kinda skip all that stuff.

Makes me think of the mansion scene in X2, aka the one time Logan gets to go ham in a great movie. It may have been completely bloodless, but Wolverine put about a dozen guys in body bags.

Regarding Colossus, I'd want him in the X-force movie purely because he was so damn underwhelming in all of the Singer/Ratner movies. Don't get me started on how he was pulled way too easily in DOFP. God, I wish singer had been more faithful to the comic, instead of making the future part of the movie a fan snuff film. /end rant

 

[def28]

From a fan pov I completely understand just wanting to see more from the character. It really sucks we didn't get any characterization. I really wanted to see him actually communicating with characters like Kitty and Logan. Colossus fans were patient since X2 and got pretty much nothing in the end.

The Deadpool script gives him a decent amount of lines that's in character to the comic. So hopefully all that remains. I like that he has a student in this so he will have more characters to communicate with other then Wade.

 

[def28]

Wow, more Deadpool comics!

Cable And Deadpool: Split Second on the way from Nicieza! http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/08/10/marvel-announces-deadpool-cable-split-second-digital-comic

Starts as a digital in October and then physical comics in December.

Awesome stuff. Got Duggan, Kelly and Nicieza back. Can't beat that for Deadpool fans. Might as well grab Gail Simone too!

 

[Nathan]

 

[Endeavor]

love those guys, that's great news

 

[FrozenBanana00]

Whoooo more DP comics!!!

 

[-JKR-]

Wow, more Deadpool comics!

Cable And Deadpool: Split Second on the way from Nicieza! http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/08/10/marvel-announces-deadpool-cable-split-second-digital-comic

Starts as a digital in October and then physical comics in December.

Awesome stuff. Got Duggan, Kelly and Nicieza back. Can't beat that for Deadpool fans. Might as well grab Gail Simone too!

I'm glad the times of Daniel Way's Deadpool are over!

 

[BoredGuy]

ugggh don't remind us
Way's run even made me hate Steve Dillon's art

 

[Teelie]

I saw the red band trailer the other day and it looked great. I also read since the Fantastic Flop DOA'd at the box office its sequel slot has been given to Deadpool 2. Having Cable in the sequel does seem like the natural choice.