Discussion in 'X-Men Sequels' started by Thread Manager, Jan 27, 2011.
Maby we should start sending FOX chimichangas or... pictures of Bea Arthur...?
With a note saying "Bea Arthur may be dead, but our hopes for this movie shouldn't be" or something like that.
Another Reese and Wernick interview
Negasonic teenage Warhead's an interesting choice hahaha. Deadpool should have fun with that name.
The fact this movie hasn't been completely scrapped is making me think they are just waiting post DofP, since that will probably change their whole movie verse around.
To be honest, I'm hoping that this movie wouldn't happen anymore because whether it ends up a success or a bomb, it will have an effect on X-Men movies. In my opinion, FOX should just focus on making X-Men team movies w/ the original cast. They are just gonna oversaturate the series by making these spin-offs/prequels.
I def think it's clear by hiring Millar Fox wants to expand and have multiple films like Marvel.
As much as people like to call out Millar, he's definitely working for Fox to to help connect films and find talent for more projects in the X world.Who knows if any will see the light of day but it's def safe to say they are looking to expand. Im up for some new X Properties. As long as they are not focused on Wolverine, Prof X and Magneto. I really want to see some new characters focused on.
I read a small portion of the script, which usually isn't my thing. But I did this time because I was really curious and I was sold on it immediately.
The opening credits sequence has the camera zooming out from the orange glowing tip of a dashboard cigarette lighter, and then alternately panning around and zooming out to eventually reveal a Matrixy, frozen-moment-in-time sequence of Deadpool killing some guys and causing a massive freeway accident, all set to Juice Newton's Angel of the Morning.
It is glorious and perfect.
Whatever to what Millar wants to say. Their idea of expanding the X-Men universe is just gonna over-saturate the X-Men film series and might just ruin the series, if they are planning to make more prequels/spin-offs. In my opinion, they should just go back to basics, 1 movie every 2-3 years with the original cast and improve the marketing department of FOX. X-Men is not Marvel Cinematic Universe.
With how they have the films right now I agree with that. But even if you don't think it's the right way to do it, the X-Men have enough characters and titles to use the films like the MCU has...if thats what they want. We have only had films focused on the same characters so far. To me thats over saturating. I want new X properties that don't rely on Singers X-Men 1.
Unless they rewrite and try to tie DP into the team movies he's definitely not gonna have any effect on the main series box office. We now have 4 X-Men movies with the original crew. The X-Men have had plenty of time for audiences to make up there mind on if they want to see a movie with that cast and characters. If Days Of Future Past won't hold them there then that's it's own problem, and probably a sign of Fox needing to reboot and the quality of those films not being up to the audience preference. Hopefully that won't be the case. Shouldn't have anything to do with Deadpool having a movie. Especially given Deadpool has an R rated audience, no X-Men in the title and a lower budget in mind.
The only ones responsible for the Main X-Men movies performing badly are the main X-Men movie's themselves. If they suck people will stop showing. They have too much star power,well known characters and previous film's to lay the blame on a separate R rated character who specializes in pop culture jokes/killing people for fun.
They just need to move forward with the original cast and balance the screentime for all of the X-Men. It doesn't matter if the X-Men have enough characters and titles to use for spin-offs/prequels. They are not gonna attract the casual audience compare to the films with the original cast. Look at The Wolverine for example. You can blame FOX's marketing for that but even if FOX promoted this movie very well, its not gonna sell like a X-Men film with the original cast. X-Men Origins kinda did well, but it was the 1st prequel/spin-off, but this is already the 3rd spin-off movie. Its time to go back to the basics.
They have had 12 years to make their films and we all know who Singer wants to focus on. By now, they should be pushing characters like Gambit, Deadpool and Psylocke as much as they can. But we can't even get Cyclops or Strom done right. I'm tired of waiting for that ****.
Deadpool is the first script by Fox Marvel that actually shows the kick ass side of the property. They have something that's actually original. Plus the script is damn good. To pass that up would be a shame.
Well I think they just need to focus on making X-Men team movies (w/ the original cast) and balance the screentime for all of the X-Men. They could always re-introduce or bring back Gambit, Deadpool and Psylocke. Any good writer could make a story for them.
The buzz for The Wolverine is quite low, and I think if they release more spin-offs, people will just completely lose interest in this franchise. Good thing, we have X-Men: Days of Future Past, to make people still excited in this franchise.
Which really sucks cause The Wolverine actually looks solid. The Marketing is horrible
Thats another thing. Not only that the general audience are less interested with prequels/spin-offs but FOX has to also really promote their spin-off movies just do well or at least earn their budget back. There's more cons than pros in making spin-off/prequel movies.
At least with making another movie with the original cast, the general audience are already familiar with the cast, the characters that are in the movie are definitely more well-known, it will help the DVD/Blu-ray sales of the previously released movies, and FOX doesn't have to market a brand new cast to the public.
I don't base what I personally want to see on the general audience and we have no idea what new properties the general audience will be interested in till its released. X-Men with the original cast never made it up to 500 and have all been within 100 mil of eachother anyways. Im sure Dofp will finally break that mold and if it doesn;t there are bigger problems. They will make main X-Men team films no matter what. There is no arguing against it. A higher success will depend on the film's quality staying good, thats always been the case on these big budget comic films.
Deadpool is a solo character. He has his own set of villains in this film and Weapon X isn't even mentioned through his origin. He is one of the few characters who can actually have his own film in the X Men universe and pretty much the last of MAvels big names without a film. Nobody is gonna stop going to main X-Men movies because there was an ass kicking Deadpool film. He is a completely differenet characrter. Giving audiences something new is a good thing.
They could go ahead with Deadpool if they did it on a low budget and kept it entirely standalone.
One way might be to remove Colossus from the story, remove the references to X-Men Origins: Wolverine and just make it as a standalone.
They could even cast someone other than Ryan Reynolds who - much as he is hunky and sexy and nice - usually conjures up an idea that something is a comedy and is associated with the godawful Green Lantern.
It is a stand alone. The film requires no knowledge of prior films and erases Barakapool's history. The only reference to Origins is[BLACKOUT] an action figure from the film. And the line "A piece of me died when this came out". It's a movie he saw. Pretty much anyone who hates origins or likes Deadpool would enjoy that. It's an inside joke. [/BLACKOUT]They are completely different characters.
Yeah, Colossus is pretty much the only thing connecting it to the Universe of X-Men. I could easily see Colossus replaced with Domino or Cable. CHaracters who have much more ties to DP. BUt that might again lessen the comedic impact which is why Colossus was chosen. The film's goal is to be funny.
Rather it's the right thing to do or not. Fox said they want an expanded Universe. And trying to fit Deadpool in more with whatever they have set up is probably what they want. Kind of goes with the writers comments about Fox trying to fit it into it's puzzle of X films. No doubt he is much better off in his own films and away from the main series, but we all know how Fox likes to shove characters in these things.
Errr did some posts get deleted today?
Thats not true. When it comes to box-office, people can always predict which movies are going to be a hit or not. Of course there will be surprises, but I don't want FOX to take a risk again in releasing spin-offs. If they don't get their money back, it could ruin this franchise and FOX might want to continue the series and they'd just reboot it when the movie rights are about to expire.
And the original trilogy of X-Men never made 500 million but let me tell you - X1, X2 and X3 all reached the top 10 of the worldwide box-office in the year that they were released.
X1 was #9 in 2000 worldwide box-office
X2 was #9 in 2003 worldwide box-office
X3 was #7 in 2006 worldwide box-office
If you adjust their box-office numbers to today's ticket prices, X2/X3 are still one of the top grossing Marvel films to date other the original Spider-Man trilogy/Iron Man 1/2 and the Avengers.
Not really with new properties. With the main ones like Spidey, Bats, X-Men and now Iron Man. It's easy to call they will make money. They always have. Deadpool is a question mark as is The Flash, Venom, Ant Man, GOTG, Dr Strange etc. If they are well received marketed films it would be assumed they will do good. But if they suck they could be Green Lantern's and Punisher's.
I'm fine with that as I've been disappointed by every X film in some way and want something new. They have had their time.
So you'd be fine with Deadpool ending the film series if it bombs at the box-office? Well I really hope now that they don't make a Deadpool movie, its probably gonna perform like Elektra and I think it won't happen anymore since FOX are busy with Fantastic Four and Days of Future Past. Once Days of Future Past is released next year, FOX would want to keep the momentum that they will get from DOFP.
The general audience aren't more interested with spin-offs/prequels. Its only the fans/comic-book fans who think any film adaptation could be a success.
You don't speak for the GA, sorry.
I think it's ridiculous to assume a low budget R rated Deadpool would be the end of The Main X Men series. So yeah, if that happens then this series deserves to fail haha. That would mean the series rests in Deadpools hands. That would make for some good comic material in itself.
No need to apologize because I didn't say that I speak for the general audience.
Since X-Men Origins: Wolverine and X-Men: First Class didn't perform better than the original trilogy and there's more hype/buzz for X-Men: Days of Future Past (which is going to feature the original cast) than The Wolverine (which will come out in 3 months), its a big proof that the general audience are more interested with the original cast than spin-off movies.
Are you even sure FOX would want to give the film a low budget and a R rating? No. And if Deadpool bombs, its not because the X-Men deserves it. Its because the general audience are just not interested with Deadpool.
It's proof those movies didn't perform well. It's meaningless to an R rated action comedy with a brand new character.
But whatever, you're aren't going to be swayed and neither is anyone who actually wants a DP movie. Best to just move on, probably.
Deadpool already appeared in X-Men Origins: Wolverine so its not meaningless. And with a rated R film, its much more riskier because the kids with their parents are probably not going to see it in theaters and it could lead to lower ticket sales.