Did the Wrestling Thread Get an "Oh Snap!" from Goldust?

[TheNextNolan22]

I was looking at the Bound for Glory card for tomorrow. For a show that's supposed to the biggest show of the year for TNA, the card looks completely weak. BUT it does look better than most TNA shows this year. I do hope they keep those 6 announced matches on the card so 3 of them(Ultimate X, Roode/Angle, and AJ/Bully) enough time to be good. Those 3 along with Sting/Magnus should be good/really good.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

Is Shield coming to an end soon or does anyone think they'll remain together for a good while?,I think they may split at Survivor Series(their anniversary)or at/Raw after Royal Rumble

Probably Mania or the Raw after Mania.

 

[Lantern Venom]

We all talk about Triple H and how he is now, ring wise. My question for everyone is what was your opinion of him during his prime?

I started watching wrestling early in 1999. To me, Triple H was the best in the business in 2000. It took a moment for his main-event run to click, and it was thanks to the McMahon-Hemsley storyline that solidified him. A good chunk of the MOTYs in 2000 were with him. And while it would be easy to say he had great workers as opponents, he delivered also. Great movements, storytelling, selling, promos. The man was the best.

Another question...in 2000 who was better to you between the Rock and Triple H?

I've always been ambivalent to HHH because of his lack of athleticism. It's not about his build, which is one of the best the biz has ever seen, but his way of moving. It's not always easy to define, but the first word that pops into my head when I think about HHH's work is "plodding". Much like Cena and the Ultimate Warrior, there was always something missing from his basic body mechanics.

He never compared to the Rock in the ring or on the mic. My only criticism of Rock's in-ring work was that he could have used a few more classic holds from time to time. He was always crisp, quick, and amazing athletic for a 275lb man, but he could have branched out a bit more. Still, nothing HHH ever did came close to the Rock level of excitement. HHH's best matches are still (like many in the biz) when he was working with HBK.

Decided to catch up on RAW and Smackdown a bit. Reigns/Rollins vs the Rhodes Dynasty was a great match, with a classic cluster**** vibe towards the end and fun appearance by the Big Show to cap it off. It had me marking out towards the end of it.
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I haven't watched either show for a couple of weeks, but I just had to say that I love your avatar. It's perfect for the Halloween season and I'm still impressed that Wyatt has that kind of flexibility and balance.

 

[Hunter Rider]

What's the story behind the thread title?

In the current storyline Big Show has been fired but snuck back into the building last week to help Cody and Goldust win the tag titles, so on Smackdown Daniel Bryan made the comment from the thread title about Big Show getting into the building again.

Big E vs Punk was a damn fine match, showed a lot of Big E can bring to the table with the right competitor. There's still some growing to be done, but he's on the path to really make a mark, I think. The post match face turn was even better, because it was so simply done. Heyman is a bastard at his very best. Great promo from him, loved him quoting AC/DC.

Agreed, I liked the part where Punk tried to slingshot on him and he caught Punk and slammed him into the apron. As JR would say there is a lot of upside to Big E and with the way the face turn went down I can see his first port of call being the IC title.

AmDrag vs Del Rio actually makes me want to see a program between the two. Could prove to have some great matches. Tired of the Bellas.

I'd love Del Rio to be Bryan's first challenger post HIAC, I think he'd be ideal for Bryan to feud with until the end of the year and the matches would be excellent.

Is Shield coming to an end soon or does anyone think they'll remain together for a good while?,I think they may split at Survivor Series(their anniversary)or at/Raw after Royal Rumble

The night after Mania is my best guess as that's when a lot of new directions begin.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

For those getting WWE2K14..Out of the in-game roster who will be your Top 5 most used?,I'll be playing as almost everybody in universe but my top 5 most used in universe/exhibition and online will most probably be..

#1-Goldberg(I won't use him online though cause almost every match someone will race to pick him)
#2-Razor Ramon
#3-Diesel
#4-Randy Savage
#5-Eddie Guerrero

Aside from CAWs, my list would go like this:
1-Daniel Bryan
2-Dean Ambrose
3-The Undertaker
4-Macho Man Randy Savage
5-Razor Ramon(I played as him in August and his moveset is just great)
6-Seth Rollins
7-The Undertaker
8-Shawn Michaels
9-The Rock
10-CM Punk
11-Stone Cold Steve Austin

 

[Hunter Rider]

I bet Bully Ray couldn't believe his luck when they told him they were upgrading his Brooke model.

 

[The Sage]

Pre-quad HHH was the man. Him and The Rock in 2000 were both arguably the best in the world.

Honestly during 2000, in some of their matches, HHH would pretty much carry The Rock in the ring. The Iron Man Match at Judgement Day is proof of that as HHH had subverted his moveset for the sake of that match. He even had a WWF Title match with Taka Michinoku that year and let Taka look like he couldnt taken the title off of him.

Agreed.

I always thought their Iron Man Match in 2000 was great, but kind of overrated.

Well it was a Walking Resthold.......So calling it overrated wouldnt be too far off but it's still notable how much Haitch carried that match despite them both getting extremely gassed.

It felt well-paced and told a great story. The restholds didn't bother me.

From 2000 until the first quad tear Triple H was the best in the business IMO, and despite all of the Flair jokes we make about him he really was a modern Flair at that point in that he was a heel champion that could carry the show.

I also don't have the issues over the "Reign of terror" that many do as I don't think WWE had a guy that could pick up the slack, I certainly don't think RVD or Kane could have, and they tried Benoit and Goldberg to limited success. The other aspect is that the reign actually led to the creation of a new main event star in Batista, and it was done the right way, not with the 50/50 stuff, when the time came Batista beat him decisively 3 PPV's in a row.

Where Triple H lost me was 2006 when DX reformed, it was awful in every way and helped nobody. From there the 2nd quad tear saw his work take a bigger nosedive and he remained a face and his limited mobility and sagging in ring work sucked in that role, as did his character that was always a 100 times better as a heel. On top of that he damaged guys like Orton, Hardy and Punk over the following 5 years through his ego, at least as a heel there was some pay-off for those that worked with him.

This last few months is the most I've enjoyed him in 7 years and even then I don't really care about seeing him wrestle again, however I do believe that if he puts over someone like Bryan, Cody or Sheamus at Mania then him getting back in the ring for the pay-off of this angle will be worth it.

I've always thought Triple H was better than The Rock in every year they existed in the company together apart from 1998.

You make a good point about the "reign of terror". His Authority stuff now is his best work since Evolution.

Speaking of Orton, Triple H admits on his new DVD that the match at Wrestlemania wasn't good, and thought they were booked incorrectly. He was trying to have a hate filled feud with Orton, but ended up getting confined and restricted because they had to have a regular match to resolve everything. Even he said it should've been a fight.

I became a fan of the business around the same time. I always thought you were one off the Classic/Rock 'n' Roll era guys though, Sage.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I loved Triple H from 99 up until early to early-mid 2002, when it became the Trips-Steph show heading in WM18 after his return from the first quad tear. He is also, in my opinion one of the best heels to ever grace the business. I pretty much concur with Hunter in regards to Haitch. His 'regn of terror' didn't bother me as much as it did others, and there were parts of it I enjoyed.

Recently though, I've been loving him again, as we've gotten a bit more of the classic heel Haitch that I loved so much, and that I feel is what made him one of the Best.

I'm just a student of the game.

Though honestly, I've gone back and bought several DVD compilations over the years that covered a lot of wrestling in the previous eras.

 

[The Sage]

I've always been ambivalent to HHH because of his lack of athleticism. It's not about his build, which is one of the best the biz has ever seen, but his way of moving. It's not always easy to define, but the first word that pops into my head when I think about HHH's work is "plodding". Much like Cena and the Ultimate Warrior, there was always something missing from his basic body mechanics.

He never compared to the Rock in the ring or on the mic. My only criticism of Rock's in-ring work was that he could have used a few more classic holds from time to time. He was always crisp, quick, and amazing athletic for a 275lb man, but he could have branched out a bit more. Still, nothing HHH ever did came close to the Rock level of excitement. HHH's best matches are still (like many in the biz) when he was working with HBK.

I enjoyed HHH's matches with HBK, though I loved his stuff with Foley, Jericho, Rock, and Benoit. And he's mostly been crisp in his execution of moves as well. Rock hasn't always been crisp.

While Rock was more athletic and quicker, I always found HHH to be more of a ring general. That's something that I never saw with the Rock. HHH moved slower but it wasn't an issue until after the quad tears. In 2000, his speed was fine and worked in conjunction with everything he did. But Rock always brought a lot more energy to his matches.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

I don't know, I guess I wasn't into their Iron Man Match as some. It was nicely paced, but there was only so much they could do in an hour. The issues I had with that match are somewhat similar to that of the 60-minute Iron Man Match between Adam Cole and Sami Callihan from PWG Is Your Body? from this past summer.

 

[The Sage]

I don't know, I guess I wasn't into their Iron Man Match as some. It was nicely paced, but there was only so much they could do in an hour. The issues I had with that match are somewhat similar to that of the 60-minute Iron Man Match between Adam Cole and Sami Callihan from PWG Is Your Body? from this past summer.

It's understandable. Compare it to Bret and Shawn's Iron Man match in which they were working harder and actually using more moves. Things like that kept the match more interesting.

 

[sweetre15]

Russo is full of crap. Characters need goals and if you damage the prestige of titles, then what the superstars are fighting for doesn't mean much. Also, swerves on occasion are good, but constant swerves are ridiculous. I think writers from a lot of shows will tell you that well done character arcs generally work better. Any hack can throw random crap at the wall.

Yet he has the audicity to criticize Raw for being "SO PREDICTABLE" and criticize them for the 3 hour timeslot when most Raw shows once he was gone that didnt involve anyone named Katie Vick was better than ANYTHING he's booked.

He even tries to "debunk" that Vince Mcmahon filtered his ass when he was working for WWE saying that he only made minor "mind-blowing tweaks". lol..He even defends giving Tank Abbot and Ed Ferrara title reigns along with himself. He even defends giving Madusa a cruiserweight title!!

I recommend the shoot because it's unintentional hilarity at it's finest.

 

[sweetre15]

It's understandable. Compare it to Bret and Shawn's Iron Man match in which they were working harder and actually using more moves. Things like that kept the match more interesting.

Also compare it to Kurt Angle and Brock Lesnar's Iron Man match on Smackdown which to me tops Shawn and Bret or atleast gives it a run for its money.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

Angle/Lesnar>>>>>Bret/HBK for me. The story in that match was so consistent and so dramatic.

 

[sweetre15]

Man, I just got finished rewatching ECW One Night Stand 2005. Damn that PPV was epic. THAT was the perfect sendoff for ECW no matter what some might say.

ECW Night Stand 2005>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>TNA Hardcore Justice 2010 by a mile.

Still cracks me up that SOME people were calling THAT *****ty PPV the "Real" ECW sendoff or guys like Tommy Dreamer had the audacity to take shots at WWE to shill that crap..

 

[TheNextNolan22]

Man, I just got finished rewatching ECW One Night Stand 2005. Damn that PPV was epic. THAT was the perfect sendoff for ECW no matter what some might say.

ECW Night Stand 2005>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>TNA Hardcore Justice 2010 by a mile.

Still cracks me up that SOME people were calling THAT *****ty PPV the "Real" ECW sendoff or guys like Tommy Dreamer had the audacity to take shots at WWE to shill that crap..

That show shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as ECW ONS.

 

[sweetre15]

That show shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as ECW ONS.

Damn straight it shouldn't and TNA making the ECW originals take shots at WWE to hype that crap just made them look even more bush league.

But either way, do you agree that ECW should have been left alone after ONS 2005?

 

[NDX]

I liked WWECW. Was it ECW? **** no. Was it entertaining? **** yes. A lot of good came from it, and it was a good tester. It would have gone over better now, I feel considering the atmosphere WWE has right now.

 

[Wheels]

Yet he has the audicity to criticize Raw for being "SO PREDICTABLE" and criticize them for the 3 hour timeslot when most Raw shows once he was gone that didnt involve anyone named Katie Vick was better than ANYTHING he's booked.

He even tries to "debunk" that Vince Mcmahon filtered his ass when he was working for WWE saying that he only made minor "mind-blowing tweaks". lol..He even defends giving Tank Abbot and Ed Ferrara title reigns along with himself. He even defends giving Madusa a cruiserweight title!!

I recommend the shoot because it's unintentional hilarity at it's finest.

I'm going to be honest, I don't mind predictability as long as the story is well constructed. For instance, in my eyes Roode vs Storm should have main evented BFG 2012 for the title. I'm an Aries fan, but TNA spent so much time on Roode and Storm's story surrounding the title that it seemed like a waste for it not to main event.

 

[sweetre15]

I liked WWECW. Was it ECW? **** no. Was it entertaining? **** yes. A lot of good came from it, and it was a good tester. It would have gone over better now, I feel considering the atmosphere WWE has right now.

Well once it got it's own identity it did have some good come out of it but the low point of WWECW was December to Dismember..The PPV Vince PURPOSEFULLY stumped a mudhole in by ignoring any and every suggestion Heyman had.

 

[Hunter Rider]

 

[TheNextNolan22]

Damn straight it shouldn't and TNA making the ECW originals take shots at WWE to hype that crap just made them look even more bush league.

But either way, do you agree that ECW should have been left alone after ONS 2005?

In many ways, yes. I loved One Night Stand 2006, but 2005 felt like it was the true send off to ECW.

 

[sweetre15]

I'm going to be honest, I don't mind predictability as long as the story is well constructed. For instance, in my eyes Roode vs Storm should have main evented BFG 2012 for the title. I'm an Aries fan, but TNA spent so much time on Roode and Storm's story surrounding the title that it seemed like a waste for it not to main event.

Agreed, I'd rather a logical and well constructed storyline that's somewhat predictable than a sh---t ending that ruins it all solely because "NOBAHDY WILL C It Cmmming!!!"

 

[sweetre15]

In many ways, yes. I loved One Night Stand 2006, but 2005 felt like it was the true send off to ECW.

That could have just kept it at that and capitalized on the popularity with merchandising. Maybe even Dedicate a WWE game to it's legacy.

 

[Beanjuice]

For those getting WWE2K14..Out of the in-game roster who will be your Top 5 most used?,I'll be playing as almost everybody in universe but my top 5 most used in universe/exhibition and online will most probably be..

#1-Goldberg(I won't use him online though cause almost every match someone will race to pick him)
#2-Razor Ramon
#3-Diesel
#4-Randy Savage
#5-Eddie Guerrero

1. Kane
2. My CAS
3. Randy Savage
4. Daniel Bryan
5. Triple H

 

[Lantern Venom]

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Wow, Ray looks much different than I remember. He's been playing with the big boy rack at the gym.