The Flash Did They Ever Fully Explain the Philosopher's Stone?

[Quinnsanity]

So I know Savitar says that the stone is calcified speed force energy. I'm fine with that. But did they ever explain its origins? Or what connection it had to the box? It feels like they just sort of abandoned it until it was needed again as a plot device for Savitar to avoid the speed force trap.

 

[zenith16]

All that we know about is that it was what future used or put savitar into as his prison and sent him to ancient egypt to rot after his iris's death. and more recently that it was to always have prisoner in it.

how it was able to give other people their meta ability's or how savitar was able do weird psionic ability which speedster's don't have at all or weird fact that Caitlin had broken of peice of it (making sure there were two) after jay told barry to toss it into the speed force.

which game back to bite them in the end cause they didn't have fore knowledge(no warning ) not put that philospher's stone /crystal into the speed force. that's it.

 

[metaphysician]

Pretty sure its origins were shown right on screen: its something Savitar created from the Speed Force energies they tried to zap him with. How did he know how to make it? Because of time looped future experience and knowledge.

 

[Kal L]

What I don't understand, is when Barry lost his memory and never became savitar wally lost his powers. Now that he never becomes savitar will that affect wally's powers?

 

[mqg96]

What I don't understand, is when Barry lost his memory and never became savitar wally lost his powers. Now that he never becomes savitar will that affect wally's powers?

When a speedster gets erased from existence it doesn't affect the timeline, because it's a paradox where those actions still had to happen in order for himself to get erased from existence. This is complicated to explain, but this is similar to how when Eddie Thawne shot himself erasing Eobard Thawne from existence, the timeline didn't reset back to the night Barry's mom was murdered. Without Eddie, Eobard isn't born, and without that he never kills Barry's mom and the Flash TV show never happens, but without that Eddie stays alive and never shoots himself. So it's some weird type of paradox to keep the timeline stable. When the singularity opened up in the sky towards the end of season 1, it was meant to erase the timeline due to Eobard being erased from existence, but Ronnie/Firestorm stopped it and the timeline was safe. So I wonder why when Savitar was erased from existence no portal opened up.

 

[zenith16]

What I don't understand, is when Barry lost his memory and never became savitar wally lost his powers. Now that he never becomes savitar will that affect wally's powers?

barry was never gonna be come savitar. savitar just wanted barry in despair . and the writer's have this bad habit of saying if the heroes kill the villain they become, them like what joker want's with bat man.

don't read too much into that part.

savitar is a time remanent from a reality that was formerly part of barry present, but is no longer apart of it due to certain action. and you can only pick them up from the speed force with a portal to their reality, and by asking for their help and they have to say or no.



and it's clear why wally lost his powers he was hit with the same energy with Jessi, but as we saw it with cisco and we saw it with jax Jefferson Jackson and every other character that was hit by an accelerator explosion their body take their time to get their powers. it's like when people are hit with an illness some people take longer then others to get the effect's / sick from it while other get it right way. showing symptoms.

but this isn't an illness. it's not hard to get. their powers take their time to get to maturity while other like Jessie get it right away..

the stone just rushed the process for Wally. so Wally's powers went back to incubation mode. since it was the stone that sped up the process for wally .

the point is savtar 's past self had yet to be called from the speed force . cause barry didn't call them for the battle to allow savitar to exist. that one time Remanent he allowed a live is savitar.


With barry's memory loss it cancels that event and cancels the event of the Philosopher's Stone /the prison that contained savitar, from happening cause barry didn't seek the scientist that made it yet out to create it so he can use it to lock savitar up in that stone and can't all due to memory loss .

so in wally powers won't be sped up all due to this. in order for wally powers to be sped up instead of taking it's time to emerge like it did for the others Savitar needs to have existed. other wise it take it's time to come out naturally. which can take month's to full year if not right away. and wally got his power due to his own impatience's and the stone's Existence .

 

[30Airrazor]

It's just poor planing & storytelling on the writers part. I mean, is that the best they came up with ?

Far as Wally is concerned before it was the dark matter that he got hit with Jessie Quick in the 2nd season, now it's delayed activation just like Cisco, Caitlin, & Jax from LOT.