Arrow Dinah Laurel Lance/Katie Cassidy Thread - Part 3

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BC just can't win, you know she'll be beat in the end.

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Had to sit through her scene, because she was talking to Oliver. :funny:

I never liked Oliver on this show unless Barry was around. Barry brings out the best in him. If Oliver was like the character he is on the Flash on Arrow, I'd love him. But I have really liked Oliver this season. The subtle changes have worked for me. Oliver was overly emotional and heartbroken for 3 seasons. Felicity changes that, he seemed actually a bit a peace as a person, and now I don't find him annoying while pining for Felicity.

What show are you watching? Oliver in season one and two was at his best even with the darkness. Who was he heartbroken over in the first three seasons because that aspect must of got blurred between all the women he banging.
 
What show are you watching? Oliver in season one and two was at his best even with the darkness. Who was he heartbroken over in the first three seasons because that aspect must of got blurred between all the women he banging.
I was watching Arrow. All his relationships were pretty teenage angst. Even when they were together, there had to be drama.
 
I was watching Arrow. All his relationships were pretty teenage angst. Even when they were together, there had to be drama.
Not really. Helena at first wasn't teen angst ridden, neither was Mckenna or in season 2 Sara. Oliver was barely emotional in season 1, least of all overly. Season 2 ramped it up more, the start of the show's downfall. Season 3 made him emo all season. And this season has been just as full of emotion as, say season 3. Have a very great day!

God bless you! God bless everyone!
 
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I love this look on her. You can tell they were tempted to go with fishnets on her legs, but settled for her arms instead.

And now that I think about it, E2 Laurel would be full of so muych grief considering Oliver is dead in that version. So she could have very well lost both him and Sara.
 
Someone added their own special effects to the Canary Cry
 
Seems like neither shows are trying when it comes to Laurel, they be letting these spoilers out like it aint nothin. Smiling at the camera.
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BC just can't win, you know she'll be beat in the end.

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:hmm

E2 Dinah Laurel Lance? So, if they kill E1 Black Canary, there's going to be her E2 version to appease the fans? She will come to Earth-1 to have a fresh start or something? That's the plan? Katie Cassidy as a guest star next season? Whatever, time will tell. We can even imagine E2 Dinah as a metahuman with a real Canary Cry, what they should've done with Laurel to start with. Berlanti, Guggenheim and Kreisberg are very twisted fanboys.
 
I am kind of dreading it? I feel like it will be a one off where of course she will end up losing in the end. I just feel like it will be a tease for fans with nothing major coming out of it like I would like.
 
I am kind of dreading it? I feel like it will be a one off where of course she will end up losing in the end. I just feel like it will be a tease for fans with nothing major coming out of it like I would like.
Yeah, I feel like this is their way of saying "Hey, we killed the BC without ever truly giving you the version you wanted, so he's a nod at who she should've and could've been, but don't get too attached."

Even if they were to bring her in to E1, it would feel as cheap as Caitlin not being the real Killer Frost. We are more invested in our versions, so to bring in a different version, it wouldn't feel as impactful.
 
It does make me wish even more though that season 2 of Legends somehow involves them getting stuck in Earth 2.
 
I think a good storyline for them would go through the multiverse trying to get back to E1.
 
I would love for Legends Season 2 to be DC's version of Exiles.
 
While I really, really want her to be kept around, I do not agree that she has to be kept around because she is essential for the show or anything. I have read lots of Green Arrow comics where BC does not feature, and she also does her own thing in the comics too. Laurel has been on the show for 4 seasons and there has been a "Canary" for three of the four seasons, so BC has featured on this show. It is not like they brushed over her or anything. She has featured in this universe's GA's life.

I still don't agree that keeping BC is essential or as important as the poster I quoted was making out. You can have a great, comic accurate GA show without her. This shows problems and decline in quality has little to do with not enough characters or stuff from the comics being used, it is down to other things, I would say. Nobody was complaining in season 1 and 2 about there being no BC, and most people would have happily had Laurel killed off in season 1, with no Canary on the show at all. I also think some of the complaints (not from you) are hypocritical, as I am sure that a lot of BC fans would be happy if they had a show with BC as the star, and it did not feature GA much.

Were you around the boards in S1 and S2? Because there sure as hell were a lot of people complaining about the lack of BC. A lot of people were complaining about Laurel not being who she should be and just being some motivating potential love interest. Then Season 2 had her terrible decline into a whiny addict. Getting even farther from who she should be.

S3 had it's flaws, but Laurel started her ascent to a decent character. She's finally there halfway through S4. If this is the classic "Make a character finally likeable just in time to kill them off" trope i'm going to be upset.
 
Have to wonder if they are going for the "have cake and eat it too" here.


E1 Laurel dies but Laurel from E2 comes to E1 and is a metahuman that goes by her first name but her middle.

This is EXACTLY what I'm hoping for. And E2 Laurel (Dinah) is full on Dinah from the comics and totally different from this Laurel
 
I didn't start liking Laurel until end of S2. But met a lot of posters elsewhere who are big Laurel fans b/c as they explained they followed BC comics and when they heard about Arrow, including how the EPs were selling Laurel as the future BC in pre-publicity, they were excited about getting a live action version of BC. Just like GA fans were excited about getting live action GA. I think being drawn in b/c of a potential BC was just as valid reason for starting in watching the show, as for GA. And I don't think these fans were imagining something -- the EPs definitely implied this.

True, the EPs could have chosen to have a GA story without BC, in which case they could have come up with totally different love interest, starting from scratch. And no need to name the character Dinah Laurel Lance BTW.

Clearly, they botched a lot about the Laurel turning into BC storyline, due to poor writing (starting with the whole sister swapping issue) -- which should be no surprise really in hindsight considering all the other poor decisions they've made with writing etc. The pivot to Felicity, to "correct" their missteps in the romance dept, IMO has led to some major problems -- such as Diggle being stripped of much of his original role and purpose (to encourage Oliver and act as light to his dark), which was given to Felicity, and then also Diggle being turned into a major Olicity shipper and Felicity shiller. Of course, Felicity is not the only problem with this show and Felicity is not the cause of lousy fight choreography. I do suspect the need to start propping up the Felicity character, giving her a backstory and putting more focus on her however has impacted character development and story arcs for other characters. Which is unfortunate as those other characters (Quentin, Laurel, Diggle, Thea ) are directly involved in fighting as well as being in law and police, whereas Felicity in her IT role simply doesn't have as much to contribute to the vigilante/law and order aspect, nor have they made any effort into strengthening her role as CEO which could have potentially served to link the team back into the corrupt businessmen against the little guy storylines.

It's not as clear to me how much focusing on Olicity has impacted giving the villains appropriate focus... another problem with this show IMO. If they are spending time showing Olicity angst which could have been better spent showing Darhk motivations and machinations, then that is a problem...

At any rate, given the path the EPs started with -- Dinah Laurel Lance -- and given that quite a few people do seem to feel that by S3, after character arcs that either were good or not (according to who you talk to ), Laurel did seem to be on track as BC, so it's very understandable that there is a lot of frustration if she does not continue with her journey on this show after this season and frustrating that she hasn't been featured more as ADA/BC story arcs this season. Such arcs would not have to compete with the main story, GA, but could easily intersect with and compliment GA's story. Much as Foggy and Karen's stories intersected with Matt's in DD S1.
 
If[BLACKOUT] Laurel [/BLACKOUT]does die, I hope the people on various sites who are saying that they will stop watching the show actually do it. If there was a significant enough fall in the ratings, perhaps the current writers would be replaced by better ones or maybe the current writers would put more effort in and focus on more characters, and try different things. While I am still enjoying the show, I would love it if it got back to he quality of season 1 and 2. The way things are now, it will never get back to that. So, like I said, I hope the people that are saying that they will stop watching will actually keep their word. It could be the kick in the ass this show needs.
 
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Nah, they wouldn't change anything bts, plus by then the damage has been done.

I 99% plan to drop the show after ep19 if not the finale. Katie was a big draw for me and while i enjoy majority of the charecters this whole thing just leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
 
That is a shame Primal Slayer. You are a good poster and you will be missed in the Arrow threads. I don't blame you if you do leave though. If this happens, I will not be happy either. To tease something to fans for years, and then to give it to us for just a short period, before taking it away very quickly is pretty poor stuff, to say the least. Sour taste indeed.
 
Yeah, I'm not the hugest KC fan, but like many others, I hated Laurel in season 2 and grew to appreciate her by season's end and beyond, but to see how the show itself has changed, and how a character like this has been treated because they don't fit with the overall direction that the show has suddenly decided to go in, it just makes me sick.

It's not about being a shipper or hating certain characters, it's about being invested in the show overall, and right now, the show isn't even half a shell of what it used to be.
 
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