Arrow Dinah Laurel Lance/Katie Cassidy Thread - Part 4

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Well the person just spoiled the entire episode so...
Black Siren is posing as Earth 1 Laurel because Prometheus threatened her if she didnt go after TA. The episode ends with a sonic scream by the new girl
 
Well the person just spoiled the entire episode so...
Black Siren is posing as Earth 1 Laurel because Prometheus threatened her if she didnt go after TA. The episode ends with a sonic scream by the new girl

so i guess whenever katie cassidy shows up as part of her multishow contract she is playing black Siren
 
Well I don't need to check out Arrow again if the spoilers are accurate. WTF are they thinking?
 
Well the person just spoiled the entire episode so...
Black Siren is posing as Earth 1 Laurel because Prometheus threatened her if she didnt go after TA. The episode ends with a sonic scream by the new girl

As expected.

When you say "the new girl," do you mean Black Siren or Tina?

And Prometheus "threatened" her? So, like, does this imply there's hope for her to be redeemed and she's doing this under duress? She doesn't die at the end, does she?

EDIT: And is the "Sara brought back E1 Laurel" thing still valid, or is that false?
 
As expected.

When you say "the new girl," do you mean Black Siren or Tina?

And Prometheus "threatened" her? So, like, does this imply there's hope for her to be redeemed and she's doing this under duress? She doesn't die at the end, does she?

EDIT: And is the "Sara brought back E1 Laurel" thing still valid, or is that false?

Here is the full thing
The episode opens where we left off last time with Laurel appearing. Oliver says he saw her die but she says that she was saved. She saw a white light and then an 'angel' appeared, but it wasn't an angel it was her sister. It was her sister Sara. They teleported Laurel to the Waverider where they had a technology to fix her embolism. They retort saying there was no white light and she didn't go anywhere but Laurel says thats because it 'hadn't been done yet'. Laurel asked the legends to bring her to Oliver's present time. Sara had given her a second chance.
Felicity appears and she's like oMG a miracle, and stuff then Laurel rehashes the above and Felicity says that she thought that Sara and the Legends were against messing with history since it would cause an aberration. Sara said that they had figured out a way to do so without causing one. The team question the fact that she was dropped off nine months later but its just put down to time travel shenanigans.
Laurel asks about what has happened during the time she was gone and she receives the 411 about Quentin's drinking and the Donna situation. Since Laurel has a lot of catching up to do they decide to host a party, lol. Laurel says she wants to see Thea and Diggle again (lol)
We get a conversation between Diggle and Oliver who is informed about Laurel coming back and he wants to face the charges head on and Oliver says he knows a lawyer (Matt Murdock lol).
We flashback to the past, Oliver says he tried to blow up Kovars casino but the Pakhan accused of not doing it for the Bratva but for some woman. The Pakhan says that the deal he made with Kovar betrays the Bratva as does his vandetta. Kovar was a government agent and he informed the Pakhan of Oliver's intentions. Pakhan says he'll beat obedience into Oliver.
Onto the present we get more of the Laurel is back hype and then some reflection at how the year its weird to be partying with the burial of Detective Malone still being prepared, the fact that its been horrible with the betrayal of Evelyn and also Prometheus still being out there and how they should be doing more to find him. Oliver says that last year he wished that the dark times didn't only bring them together and this year they're lucky because the miracles did. Laurel was a miracle and a second chance, which we all must remember.
Moving onto Felicity, Rory goes past her and she's late in the bunker and she's asked what she's doing which she says its her 'Q-Mail, Snapbook, FaceChat' thing, but yeah she's actually running a DNA analysis on Laurel's DNA she took from the party. The DNA matches so no dice for an evil twin or a shape shift...
Elsewhere Earth-2 Laurel appears and it turns out E-2 Laurel was playing E-1 Laurel. Black Siren was freed by Prometheus and they vow to lock her up once more.
Finally. It's about time someone figured it out. You know, I am so sick and tired of playing this weak, vulnerable Laurel. She's such a pill, it's pathetic.
Oliver goes to the District Attorney Adrian Chase who he requests to take Diggle's case. Chase doesn't see how a city prosecutor could go on and take on the case when he's not a military defense attorney to which Oliver replies he needs someone outside of the military infrastructure. Oliver vouches for Diggle and Chase thinks that even a judge won't approve it and then he asks about the circumstances regarding Malone's death. Chase tells Oliver that Malone was set up to be Prometheus and it appears that the Arrow killed Malone, he told the officers on the scene not to say anything and during that time he's gonna keep things quiet.
Moving on, Oliver gets a call and it's Black Siren so Oliver tells her not to say that name. Siren says that Prometheus forced her into attacking them and she asks for their help. Oliver and Siren agree to meet at the Black Canary statue.
They meet up and Oliver instructs the dudes to attack Siren if she appears suspicious or about to betray Oliver. Siren tells Oliver that Prometheus threatened her and that she had no choice to which Oliver retorts that S.T.A.R Labs said she went willingly without any resistance. She says she can help track him down for them. Rory tries to make a move on her to the irritation of Oliver. They remind him that she's not our Laurel and he shouldn't play himself.
E-2 Laurel gets locked up and explains how after E-2 Oliver died she moved to Central City for a fresh start and ended up in a parallel world telling that story to the doppelganger of the man who died 10 years ago.
Oliver says he will keep her safe just as she tells him everything about Prometheus. She inquires why he would do that and he says that someone once told him that a circumstance could make something poison or nectar which meant that we get to choose what we are and we get to choose who we are so, "Who are You?"
Rene catches up with Curtis who's *****ing about all the **** he's been through and how it cost him his blood, sweat and his Paul who had decided to leave him.
Oliver asks Felicity about E-2 Laurel and she says that she's not the same as her and that despite not understanding parallel worlds understanding how circumstances can impact a person and understanding those differences can help reach out to E-2 Laurel.
We get an interaction between Adrian Chase and Diggle who has decided he will represent him as his attorney.
Felicity and Siren have an interaction and she explains to her how he feels guilty about her death and how he sees a chance at redemption in her. Felicity lets Siren escape and puts tracking nanites in her water to keep tabs on her. This alarms the team and their all move in on the next plan to track Siren.
Flashback to Kovar and we get an explanation about the poison and nectar thing from Ishmael Gregor who threatens Oliver for his obedience once more.
Moving to more Diggle matter, Chase denies the military the chance to transfer Diggle without the necessary paperwork associated. The transfer is expected within 24hrs.
Returning to the Siren situation the nanites are live and tracking her, they decide to suit up and go after E-2 Laurel. There's a psuedo battle and a choice between Oliver and Laurel you know "If you kill Felicity then you're killing the part of yourself that existed before you lost your family." Oliver tells Siren, "If you end this now then we can find that person again together." Despite this Siren gets captured and sent off. Prometheus escapes from the scene.
Moving forward more legal drama with Diggle's case.
Siren is on her way to Central City to go into secure lockup at ARGUS. Oliver says he's keeping her close because if there's anything of Laurel left in her then he's gonna find it.
Scene changes, with multiple gunfire and screams.
Hello Mr. Queen...My Name is Talia, I've been looking for you.
Scene change, Oliver is lamenting over the fact that he hasn't kept his promise to Laurel and that he's gonna find someone worthy of carrying on her legacy.
Scene change: Couple of dudes are drinking and a woman asks a guy if he want another round but the guy says he wants a piece of that. She says they're cliche asf and trying to over compensate for their lack of manhood on a 'defenseless woman'.
"What are you gonna do about it"
Sonic Scream
"That"
End Episode.
https://www.reddit.com/r/arrow/comments/5j0bw5/s05e10_who_are_you_episode_spoiler_summary/

practically everything was a lie by Siren
 
IF that episode summary is accurate, then I wish that I could say that I'm surprised. But, I'm not.
 
well that summary is disappointing.

i'm fine with her being black siren but they should keep her around and have some sort of redemption ark with her. putting her back in prison and introducing a brand new character with the same power set is idiotic.
 
So I haven't been following, outside of the 100th episode, but is

Oliver's new girlfriend set to be the new Black Canary? Is this their way of fixing the whole Green Arrow ends up with Black Canary thing that they spent the last few years crapping on?

If so, this is Henry James Olsen levels of bad.
 
No. It's a brand new character that is being introduced in 5x11.
 
Here is the full thing

practically everything was a lie by Siren

The thing that bugs me, if that summary is accurate:

How would Prometheus (or Siren for that matter) know anything about the Legends, and what their capabilities are? It's possible that Evelyn gave inside information, but she was mysteriously absent from the episode where the Legends interacted with the team.
 
Here is the full thing

practically everything was a lie by Siren

I kind of expected that to be a lie since I feel like it would've shown that on LOT if it had actually happened.

So it sounds like they send Siren back to CC? With Oliver's hope for her redemption maybe that's a storyline they'll pursue on one of the three shows, since KC has a contract for all of them. I guess time will tell.
 
The thing that bugs me, if that summary is accurate:

How would Prometheus (or Siren for that matter) know anything about the Legends, and what their capabilities are? It's possible that Evelyn gave inside information, but she was mysteriously absent from the episode where the Legends interacted with the team.

And how does Prometheus even know about Black Siren? Did Team Arrow tell Artemis about the multiverse and the fact that there is an "evil" Earth 2 version of Laurel Lance being held prisoner at Star Labs / Central City metahuman prison? I still don't know why Black Siren would agree to be Promethus' lackey either. She was supposedly one of Zoom's most trusted generals and despite all of Promethus' skills, seemed more than capable of easily defeating him using her sonic scream since she was powerful enough to demolish entire buildings.

Anyway, it's not really worth getting too upset about since this is Arrow and I shouldn't have expected any better treatment for Laurel Lance / Katie Cassidy. The fact that they have Black Siren refer to Laurel Lance as weak / vulnerable / pathetic speaks volumes about the extremely low regard that they have for the character.
 
And how does Prometheus even know about Black Siren? Did Team Arrow tell Artemis about the multiverse and the fact that there is an "evil" Earth 2 version of Laurel Lance being held prisoner at Star Labs / Central City metahuman prison? I still don't know why Black Siren would agree to be Promethus' lackey either. She was supposedly one of Zoom's most trusted generals and despite all of Promethus' skills, seemed more than capable of easily defeating him using her sonic scream since she was powerful enough to demolish entire buildings.

Anyway, it's not really worth getting too upset about since this is Arrow and I shouldn't have expected any better treatment for Laurel Lance / Katie Cassidy. The fact that they have Black Siren refer to Laurel Lance as weak / vulnerable / pathetic speaks volumes about the extremely low regard that they have for the character.

I guess all the times villains have said negative things about Oliver speaks volumes about the extremely low regard they have for him too.
 
Oliver was there to prove them wrong. Laurel is dead and they continue to use her doppleganger to crap on her.
 
And does this actually bother you? A villain saying something bad about a former hero?
 
At the end of the day I could care less, in the moment I have to question why they have to keep her doppleganger, not just an average villain, keep making a mockery of her.
 
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You are welcome. Don't let it go to your head or anything, and try to keep your feet on the ground :cwink:.
 
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At the end of the day I could care less, in the moment I have to question why they have to keep her doppleganger, not just an average villain, keep making a mockery of her.

I see your point, but I think they did it not to hurt Laurel but rather to drive the point home even further to Oliver. Salt in the wound, they just don't realize the salt is also going in the fans' wounds, too. Good intentions, and all that.
 
You are welcome. Don't let it go to your head or anything, and try to keep your feet on the ground :cwink:.

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I see your point, but I think they did it not to hurt Laurel but rather to drive the point home even further to Oliver. Salt in the wound, they just don't realize the salt is also going in the fans' wounds, too. Good intentions, and all that.

Honestly, all i want to see is Siren meet DD, work with him and end up killing him for killing her doppleganger, even if she isnt fond of herself.
 
And does this actually bother you? A villain saying something bad about a former hero?

Personally, in this context (IF it's even true), yes it does.

It just continues the poor treatment of the character who was randomly chosen to be killed off because the producers had written themselves into a corner. And who then, despite finally getting some interesting development, had a death bed speech which was all about revealing that she was secretly still in love with Oliver, encouraging Oliver to pursue Felicity, revealing that becoming the Black Canary had more to do with wanting to be close to Oliver than honouring her deceased sister and finally pleading with Oliver to find a replacement Black Canary so that part of her would always remain by Oliver's side.

And then there is that ugly-azz statue! What an insult to the lovely Katie Cassidy!

Maybe the writers and producers really are just that tone deaf?
 
Honestly, all i want to see is Siren meet DD, work with him and end up killing him for killing her doppleganger, even if she isnt fond of herself.

Then Vibe, Gypsy and/or Constatine work together to somehow override E2 Laurel's personality and memories with E1 Laurel's personality and memories giving us a "sonic scream" equipped Laurel Lance who will then go on to lead a spin-off Birds of Prey series as the one and only Black Canary along with Katana, Nyssa, Vixen, Huntress (with a generous re-write / character overhaul), etc.
 
Hey guys, I'm working on something I want to get your opinion on. I'm thinking of starting a business selling the pullup workout that oliver uses. They have the same thing on Ninja Warrior, it's called a salmon ladder. Do you think Arrow fans would want to get one and be able to exercise like Oliver? It would be free standing, and about 10 rungs high. What do you think?
 
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