Discussion: Conspiracies and Cover Ups

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Kelly, Apr 6, 2009.

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Conspiracies? Fun or Frightening?

  1. Fun

  2. Frightening

  3. Ignorance is Bliss

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  1. V1P3Rt3Ch

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  2. VampElvis

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    Darn kids and their gamer speak. Didn't you know gaming reached its pinnacle with Galaga?:oldrazz:
     
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  3. Red Mask

    Red Mask Human Killing Machine

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    It's just a front for the juicier alien conspiracy - Section 14 at Dulce, New Mexico! Keep up the fight, y'all! :grin:
     
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  4. Marx

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    From Area 51 and 'death squads', to political party wars, 'did a plane hit the pentagon on 9/11', and everything in between. This thread is for ALL THINGS conspiracy and cover up!

    Discuss.
     
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  5. Marx

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    Thread being configured...please be patient. Thanks!
     
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  7. psychocheeseman

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    i spose we'll both have to wait for the book for clarity on the issue, and evidence for it.

    Obviously the specifics of actions may need to be kept secret in some circumstances, however the fact that a government is implementing a policy needs to be made public for any sort of democracy to work. (for example, allowing assassinations in other countries is the policy that must be known - not the specifics of who is targeted if that would breach national security - which In Australia at least is to be determined by the judiciary in a closed court to avoid any exploitation of abuse of such a power.)

    We would expect our government to tell us if it planed to crack down on dope use, that way, if we think that's a good thing we can vote them in, we would not expect them to tell us who they are targeting as that would be counter productive - but the fact that they are targeting them needs to be known in a democratic society.


    Ignoring the fact that America has a fairly bad histroy when it comes to "playing by the rules" re international law...

    The whole point of Hersch's claim is that one small aspet of the US armed forces has not "played by the rules" - however even if the USC does allow for such blatant disregard for the soverignty of other nations and the rights of people that still does not give them the right, legally or morally, to commit such acts.

    I'm not that up on US military law,. but from memory they most sections generally only apply in times of war and won't exonerate military personal from crimes committed outside their jurisdiction. For example: Unless America has declared war with Jordan, any forces who commit domestic crimes in Jordan would face Jordanian Law. (or International Law)


    So abiding by laws depends on how much you like the country who has the laws? the US doesn't have anymore authority to disregard another natoins laws than any opther country does.

    For instnace what if Iran was assassinating US civilians or military personel in AMerica - and claimed they too were relying upon their own codes of conduct, and had proof that all those assassinated were "bad" or perceived as a threat to Iran - and yet would not offer any information as to who they had killed, or why, or on what evidence - what if these decisons were only made by a very small part of the Iranian government - which not even the President or the Supreme leader knew about. That would Make a mockery of Iran's democracy - the people wouldn't have had a say in such actions at all...

    but then i couldn't talk about it on the internet... :csad:


    :woot:

    That's not your choice - You live in a representative democracy - it's the choice of the people that vote - anyway in reality they only every receive the smallest bits of information.


    - haven't heard anything about that development in Pakistan yet - But if a government is corrupt there are many ways to encourage reformation - either by ceasing trade - or by giving them more aide (as the US has done for a while now) to ensure their co operation.
    Islamic law comes in many foirms of varying degree - if this form is as violent and sexist as the woirse forms we hear about - than i'd naturally be totally opposed to it - However, if it is a more progressive legal system then i see nothing fundamentally wrong with it (although obviously i'd prefer to see a progressive common or civil law system).
    That aside - International Law/relations are based, since teh peace of westphalia, on the principle of sovereignty - and while that might not be absolute right it will normally only be breached by the international community to uphold human rights - not to deny them as such assassinations would do.

    you're going down a very dangerous slipperly slope of moral justification there. especially when the means is murder.

    No it's a legal argument. And you're is a flawed analogy. I'm pretty up on the law for citizens arrets - and even in the US you do have the power to restrain people for commiting crimes on private property - provided you have a witness - or to stop a crime - or for self defence (which extends to defending others)
    Obviously if you saw someone getting raped you would step in immediately and hold them until police arrived. But if police were already present and about to arrest the man, would you shoot him in the head? what if he hadn't started to rape anyone yet, but had only started to talk about doing it one day, and police were around, would you still shoot him in the head? If you did would you claim you were jkustified because the police hadn't done anything?

    Say you were a TExan cop and he was just over the border in another oklhahoma. You know it's not you're jurisdiction but you go anyway, would you set aside whatever laws normally applied in such circumstance just because you were in another jurisdiction.
    would you, instead of arresting him, murder him? or would you contact oklhahoma police and tell them you arrested him?


    Look i can understand if they die in the process of being taken into custody - it's unfortunate but it happens- especially if they think they're fighting some religious battle. but if domestic police killed everyone instead of investigating charges and having trials etc we'd scream corruption.
    Furthermore, in this situation we're talking assasingations - not capturing people - capturing people - although still illegal in other nations - brings about far less of a moral objection.

    WE all know about the High standard of intelligence gathering the US has - "oh yeah... see that truck on the satelite photo... that aint a truck thats a mobile chemical weapons factory... oh yeah... Sadaam has WMDs alright this truck... i mean mobile chemical weapons factory proves it"
    or "see this mountain... that aint no ordinary mountain... underneath it has caves, with multiple level car parking...a missile launcher...a powerplant... water treatment facility...and Osama Bin Laden on a renal dialysis machine"
    .. or back in the cold war "See what looks like satelite dish... that a laser...yep... russians have lasers"

    no i'm talking about addressing the real problems that cause terrorism so other people can be prevented from going down such dark paths.

    Obviously you're more informed on this stuff than i am - so informed that you can't even articulate your argument :oldrazz:
    If you believe profiling is so precise - would you allow police to execute everyone that fits the profile of a possible serial killer? Profiling gives an edge to police investigations but it's never 100% accurate.

    that sounds like a fairly broad sweaping generalisation similar to ones found in most WWII propaganda about all the people of earth on opposing sides.

    no i'm saying a small select group is being order to kill people outside their jurisdiction. no completely unchecked, just not checked by the right means.

    Your arguments for such illegal activity are so far pretty thin, i look foward to hearing more of them.
     
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  8. psychocheeseman

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    what the hell? Why did these get merged?
    Don't you know us conspiracy nuts hate getting Yolked together!
     
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  9. VampElvis

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    Just goes to show we've got alien reptilian overlords mucking with us.
     
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  10. BlackLantern

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    I hear their boss GlaDos is a total ***** though
     
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  11. Red Mask

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    No dudes! Section 14 at Dulce, New Mexico!
     
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  12. VampElvis

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    Until I hear it on BOA, I ain't buying it!
     
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  13. hippie_hunter

    hippie_hunter The King is Back!

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    Well if that happens then the only logical conclusion is that we develop the Megazord

     
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  14. BlackLantern

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    the maintence would suck....I could see some chubby guy named 'Art' walking out from under your Mastadon Zord with a wrench and telling you.....'Well you got a blown belt and your filters are shot...we're gonna need to keep 'er overnight'
     
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  15. [A]

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    conspiracy theories are fun--I love to see youtube videos, movies and documentaries about them..

    and by fun I also mean sad
     
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  16. hippie_hunter

    hippie_hunter The King is Back!

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    You just gotta ruin all the fun :csad:.
     
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  17. Kelly

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  18. Matt

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    I love how no one notices a volcano or giant faults in the middle of Southern California. Plus the way they accompany everything they say with random karate chops.
     
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  19. Carcharodon

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  20. GreenKToo

    GreenKToo In the fire

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    The only conspiracy that I think has any real teeth, is the JFK one. The gov. kinda did that one to theirselves by being so damn secretive about it.

    One that kinda makes me laugh is Roswell. I think what crashed was nothing more than a top secret high altitude ballon that was used to monitor nuclear test being conducted in the old USSR. Since it was so top secret, it was hush hush when it crashed, which only added fuel to the fire for an unknowing public.
     
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  21. BlackLantern

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    and multicolored smoke and pyro
     
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  22. The Batman

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    Alot of my peers have been talking about this conspiracy lately, and i dont really know much about it...what is it, exactly? How bogus do you think it is? Is it bogus?
     
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  23. chaseter

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    Never heard of it...explain it???
     
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  24. The Batman

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    Honestly, from what i know of it, its basically supposed to be this system where obama or the illuminati or some crap are supposed to take away your rights....some theories think the world is gonna have same currency allowing easier control...some theories are that this new world order has prepared 500,000 caskets and concentration camps in the u.s....but basically, i guess it means some big brother type crap
     
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