Discussion: Gay Rights XIII

[Hawkingbird]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19871284

"David Cameron could only dream of this sort of fervour when he delivers his big conference speech on Wednesday.

But it would have been a very different kind of atmosphere had the Conservative leader dared to venture into Birmingham Town Hall on Monday lunchtime.

Mr Cameron has angered a swathe of his party with his commitment to legalising gay marriage.

And a significant number of them - about 1,000 in total - ran the gauntlet of protesters outside the venue to voice their anger, dismay and, in many cases, sheer incomprehension at his stance."

 

[Anubis]

1000? That's not a lot of people.

 

[Schlosser85]

US Marine Corps captain proposes to boyfriend in White House http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/12/gay-marriage-proposal-white-house/60072/

 

[wiegeabo]

Heh, Reddit's right. He sorta does look like Daniel Craig

Is this the first gay proposal in the White House?

 

[Schlosser85]

I can hear some conservative heads exploding.

 

[moraldeficiency]

So? Louisiana is 32% black, Mississippi is 37% black, Alabama is 26% black, and South Carolina is 27% black. The entire Deep South has large black populations and going by your logic of how you're looking at Georgia, they're all on the precipice turning blue, some of them are even more closer than Georgia!

However, the reality is that the GOP has extremely solid locks on those states and it continues to get stronger, not weaker. It doesn't matter what the demographics look like, the GOP's hold on the Deep South isn't going away anytime soon.

So the places with the biggest history of disallowing blacks and minorities from voting don't have minorities voting enough to turn them?

 

[wiegeabo]

So the places with the biggest history of disallowing blacks and minorities from voting don't have minorities voting enough to turn them?

It's almost like they're disenfranchised or something.

 

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[Maximum Carnage]

Amazing article; this sums up EXACTLY what I've been getting at in my last few posts.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mikko-alanne/chick-fil-a_b_1734305.html

On August 1, hundreds of thousands of Americans went to bed with a belly full of chicken, feeling they'd been warriors for free speech.
After calls from the LGBT community to boycott Chick-fil-A for its president Dan Cathy's prolific anti-gay activity, former Governor Mike Huckabee called for a national "Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day." All over the country, lined up patrons were talking about how much they loved free speech and were there to support it and fight for it.

Funny. I don't recall all those people lining up outside JC Penney when that company hired Ellen DeGeneres as its spokeswoman, and an organization calling itself "One Million Moms" (actually just a web project of the anti-gay American Family Association) was calling for her to be fired simply because she is gay. (Said "Million Moms" are now calling for a boycott of Amazon.com over founder Jeff Bezos' support of marriage equality).

Or remember the throngs of free speech lovers, lined up around the block outside Starbucks, when another deceptively named Right-wing anti-gay organization calling itself "The National Organization for Marriage," was trying to drum up a national boycott against the company because they support marriage equality?

I don't either. Because they weren't there. They never have been. And that's because the people who lined up outside Chick-fil-A to support Dan Cathy don't really love free speech. They loved what Dan Cathy said.
Except that it wasn't actually Dan Cathy's words that were being protested. It was his actions.

 

[Marx]

Skynet lurks...

 

[Schlosser85]

This is pretty cool:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1289221135/gay-warriors-portraits-of-same-sex-military-couple

 

[Kelly]

Amazing article; this sums up EXACTLY what I've been getting at in my last few posts.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mikko-alanne/chick-fil-a_b_1734305.html

I did, and there were many just like me...I bought chicken that day, I slammed the organizations (or actually the one woman in the organization) that were wanting to boycott JC Penneys on my Facebook, and Starbucks got my business, and still does today.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Amazing article; this sums up EXACTLY what I've been getting at in my last few posts.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mikko-alanne/chick-fil-a_b_1734305.html

Bill O'Reilly sums up the situation perfectly:

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[spideyboy_1111]

^that woman is a moron

O'Reilly handed it to her

and the Red Scare comparison was genius

 

[hippie_hunter]

It's hardly genius when he's absolutely right that it's a McCarthy-esque witch hunt. These groups have the right to be bigots, but it's wrong to be calling for the harm of a person whose lifestyle disagrees with you. It's fact to compare it to the 1950's Red Scare.

Not only that, but hiring DeGeneres is hardly an avocation of homosexuality and using it as propaganda onto society. They're just hiring a woman (who just happens to be gay) who appeals to millions of women through her successful talk show. And guess who JCPenny's consumer base primarily is? WOMEN! It's not like they're using DeGeneres to promote gay marriage or anything, they're using her to promote their business. That's it! The sheer idiocy of the One Million Moms just absolutely blows my mind.

 

[Hotwire]

Bill O'Reilly sums up the situation perfectly:

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Unbelievable! I actually found myself agreeing with Bill! AAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

 

[Marvin]

With "2012" averted, it's lucky our politicians don't make any policies based on pre-bronze age myths.

 

[Thundercrack85]

With "2012" averted, it's lucky our politicians don't make any policies based on pre-bronze age myths.

Silly pagans, everyone knows the world won't end until the messiah comes back.

 

[Schlosser85]

Pope Benedict claims homosexuality "destroying the very essence of the human creature" during Christmas address.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/merr...ces-gay-marriage-as-a-manipulation-of-nature/

Was it really absolutely necessary to spend his Christmas address railing against gay marriage and homosexuality for the 10,000th time? So negative.

 

[Matt]

That is an embarrassment to Catholics. Benedict is far too outdated and old fashioned and is holding the Church back, IMO. A lot of people feel like the Conclave intentionally selected a very old fashioned and conservative pope in Benedict to follow up the more liberal John Paul II and to bridge the gap between John Paul and the man whom many consider to be the heir apparent of Benedict Cardinal Arinze who is even more liberal than John Paul. I'm not saying that he will come out in support of gay marriage or anything, but I do not think that he would do something like that.

 

[Juicy J]

Thought I'd throw my two cents in as a white conservative southern Christian male, as I know I am fiercely in the minority on this...

I believe, at the core of it, that homosexuality is wrong. In 1 Corinthians it is directly stated that it is a sin. That is what I believe, and no amount of arguing or debating will change my mind so please save us all the time and don't even try.
But...
Homosexuality isn't singled out as some bigger offense than others in the eyes of God. By my own beliefs and my own standards, I too am a sinner. I do plenty of things on a daily basis I know I shouldn't, but part of the Christian life is growing to be more like Christ and it is a life long struggle and a daily battle to undergo.
That being said, I am in no place to throw stones. Who am I to look down on a gay person in any way?
Also, this is a free country. While I believe in Christianity, I don't expect this entire nation to adhere to my specific beliefs and as such if gay marriage is made legal in all 50 states I won't lose any sleep over it whatsoever. It's not like they're hurting anyone; I say let them be. I don't think God will exact some "righteous punishment on our nation" if we let gay folks get married.
So even though I disagree with that lifestyle choice, Jesus taught love, acceptance, and tolerance and that is what I try to practice.
While I know a majority of you will disagree with this post (with some of you possibly getting offended) I just wanted to make it very clear that not all of us are close-minded, slack-jawed idiots. Please don't think we are all even remotely like the Westboro Baptist Church, because most of us really are not.

 

[Schlosser85]

Thought I'd throw my two cents in as a white conservative southern Christian male, as I know I am fiercely in the minority on this...

I believe, at the core of it, that homosexuality is wrong. In 1 Corinthians it is directly stated that it is a sin. That is what I believe, and no amount of arguing or debating will change my mind so please save us all the time and don't even try.
But...
Homosexuality isn't singled out as some bigger offense than others in the eyes of God. By my own beliefs and my own standards, I too am a sinner. I do plenty of things on a daily basis I know I shouldn't, but part of the Christian life is growing to be more like Christ and it is a life long struggle and a daily battle to undergo.
That being said, I am in no place to throw stones. Who am I to look down on a gay person in any way?
Also, this is a free country. While I believe in Christianity, I don't expect this entire nation to adhere to my specific beliefs and as such if gay marriage is made legal in all 50 states I won't lose any sleep over it whatsoever. It's not like they're hurting anyone; I say let them be. I don't think God will exact some "righteous punishment on our nation" if we let gay folks get married.
So even though I disagree with that lifestyle choice, Jesus taught love, acceptance, and tolerance and that is what I try to practice.
While I know a majority of you will disagree with this post (with some of you possibly getting offended) I just wanted to make it very clear that not all of us are close-minded, slack-jawed idiots. Please don't think we are all even remotely like the Westboro Baptist Church, because most of us really are not.

I don't agree with you, but you expressed yourself very civilly and articulately, and I respect that.

 

[SV Fan]

I believe, at the core of it, that homosexuality is wrong. In 1 Corinthians it is directly stated that it is a sin.

Just doing a check online for what the chapter says about gays, it looks like depending what version you read it is either against it or ambiguous

The King James Version has it as:

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind.......

The New International Version has it as:

Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men........

It seems to me one of these 2 passages(if not both) is taking liberties with the original words to fit what they want it to say since the interpretations may be somewhat similar in some respects but not 100% the same. The King James translation leaves it open for a homosexual relationship as long as it's committed, while the other one goes all out to say homosexual relationships are wrong.

This pro gay youtube channel claims the word translated means a guy who has sex with boys involved in the sex trade(is not exactly a gay relationships)



http://www.lionking.org/~kovu/bible/section07.html

Also states that their was alot of liberties taken with translation from greek(the original language the gospel was written in) to English

 

[Hawkingbird]

I don't agree with you, but you expressed yourself very civilly and articulately, and I respect that.

Hmmm...as do I.

 

[Marx]

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