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Hillary had too much baggage from her protecting Bill from the cohort of sex assault/rape victims of Bills via her threats etc to then later on realistically expect women to vote for her in 2016.


That and the "deplorables " line was the polar opposite of "campaigning 101"
Her voting record as a US Senator. Her misuse of funds during the Clinton Foundation (they lost money for Haiti relief), shady relations with Wall Street, on top of Benghazi and the email server.
 
Her voting record as a US Senator. Her misuse of funds during the Clinton Foundation (they lost money for Haiti relief), shady relations with Wall Street, on top of Benghazi and the email server.



Those also. . . .


She was dreaming to think she'd win.
 
Well you're entitled to hold that view.
 
Those also. . . .


She was dreaming to think she'd win.
Which is why her campaign pushed for Trump to be the Republican nominee.

Also she didn't really run on policy rather keeping everything the same as Obama, you should vote for her because she is woman hear her roar, she created Birtherism by questioning if Obama was a secret Muslim from Kenya in the 2008 Democratic Primary, she allegedly pushed her voters to vote for McCain over Obama, on top of the Bernie is a self-hating Jew and a racist claims.
 
Which is why her campaign pushed for Trump to be the Republican nominee.

Also she didn't really run on policy rather keeping everything the same as Obama, you should vote for her because she is woman hear her roar, she created Birtherism by questioning if Obama was a secret Muslim from Kenya in the 2008 Democratic Primary, she allegedly pushed her voters to vote for McCain over Obama, on top of the Bernie is a self-hating Jew and a racist claims.

Women did not warm to her " vote for me cause I am a woman " at all.


Bill and Don were playing golf with the suggestion to run for POTUS coming from Bill as they (HRC and Bill) felt Don was an easy election loser with his persona and history.

On the books at the time of course he looked like it.



The hubris of the Clintons in that " calculation" became stunningly clear.


Their errors in that campaign were so many it was doomed to fail.
 
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Women did not warm to her " vote for me cause I am a woman " at all.


Bill and Don were playing golf with the suggestion to run for POTUS coming from Bill as they (HRC and Bill) felt Don was an easy election loser with his persona and history.

On the books at the time of course he looked like it.



The hubris of the Clintons in that " calculation" became stunningly clear.


Their errors in that campaign were so many it was doomed to fail.
Joe Biden was warning all along not to take working class voters for granted. She ignored them and lost. Harris isn't making that mistake. She's gone heavy on economic policy, while Trump has really only spoken in generalities about his economic program. Where he's been specific is on issues of immigration and ignores the economic impact of deportation.

We'll see whether most people buy his Bull S***. I think they probably won't, but I tend to be on the optimistic side.
 
Joe Biden was warning all along not to take working class voters for granted. She ignored them and lost. Harris isn't making that mistake. She's gone heavy on economic policy, while Trump has really only spoken in generalities about his economic program.


Harris is a totally different proposition for voters in comparison to HRC

Harris has none of the baggage of HRC , overall a "cleanskin" so is more soild a chance for sure.
 
Joe Biden was warning all along not to take working class voters for granted. She ignored them and lost. Harris isn't making that mistake. She's gone heavy on economic policy, while Trump has really only spoken in generalities about his economic program. Where he's been specific is on issues of immigration and ignores the economic impact of deportation.

We'll see whether most people buy his Bull S***. I think they probably won't, but I tend to be on the optimistic side.
Pretty much why Bernie actually gave her a decent challenge in the primary.
 

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