🇺🇸 Discussion: General Election 2024, 🥥 VS 🍊

[squeekness]

The only thing I can take solace in is that my state went to Kamala. I'm at least proud of that, despite everything else.

Me, too. But it will be hard looking my MAGA relatives in the face for a while.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

If they're white and male, nothing bad will happen to them, probably. All they have to worry about is the higher prices for everything that will happen after Trump imposes his tariffs on everything.

I mean if America becomes an autocracy I think it will suck for everyone.

Not to mention austerity efforts, lack of housing and women basically opting out of dating/procreation.

Also what if there's a draft or a christofascist government bans guns/adult entertainment/freedom of religion/dissent?

 

[Gothamsknight]

Me, too. But it will be hard looking my MAGA relatives in the face for a while.

Same

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Elon too.

 

[Punisher_MAX]

We need this kind of person in the Democratic party...someone that knows we HAVE to win, no matter what, to enact positive change. It's sad it's come to this.

 

[Drizzle]

On the way in to work I couldn't help but wonder...if we were always going to have to endure a second Trump term, would it have been better if he had just won in 2020 before he had four years of a revenge bender propelling him?

 

[Ironfan72]

For me, the hope now becomes about hoping he doesn't pass enough of the truly awful stuff the first 2 years and maybe the Dems get the House or Senate back.

The fate of Medicare/Department of Ed is likely my primary concern at this moment cause I have an autistic child who depends on receiving various services so she can learn. She won't be able to catch up if I lose her Healthcare coverage or the we lose her special school and such in the Department of Ed go away.

Im abit concerned about where i work, while the owner is a massive Trump lover, who says all the time how great he is for business, we are a tiny manufacturing company of less than 10 employees and we make water measurement and flow meters and our primary buyers are the US government and universities, we have already laid off two employees due to lack of business, Trump and his Maga allies have already said anything environmental will be gutted and whatever tariffs he imposes will cripple us, we barely survived that last Trump administation, this time i am expected far worse, where will Elon slash that $2 Trillion from? I hope the owner of this place understands what might happen here.

 

[DKDetective]

I'm not buying that it's mostly inflation which caused this. There is a significant percentage of people who go crazy when they see a white fictional character be played by a minority, that's the populace we are dealing with, many poorly educated people being influenced by social media to get angry.

All of that stuff is on the rise in part BECAUSE of economics. It's not just inflation, it's 40 years of deregulation and uncontrolled corporate greed causing the loss of manufacturing jobs and ever growing economic inequality.

When you live in the world like that, you cling to things that represented the good old days. These people have been told since Nixon that minorities are the reason why their lives suck and so anytime it looks like they are losing something they like to those minorities, it adds to their grievances.

Brown v Board of Education, the Civil Rights Act, and the Voting Rights Act all happened during the biggest and longest economic boom in American history when people felt secure because of the expanding social safety net and upward mobility.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I blame comics and movies and video games, for making us feel that "good" always wins
when really, evil is easy, and usually comes out on top

I think it was reasonable to think most people would have the common sense to reject a rapist, insurrectionist, liar, narcissist, felon, etc (I could list one hundred flaws)

 

[DKDetective]

Elon too.

The one big positive about Elon being part of Trump's inner circle is that he believes in climate change and pushes green technology. His wealth and Tesla is based on it. Hopefully, Elon can use his influence to push the Trump admin to continue policies in this regard.

Also, Elon and Vance's tech bro connections really aren't going to want tariffs. Their businesses are all reliant on components and products being made in China and elsewhere.

 

[Ironfan72]

Im seeing all these democrats saying we will come back stronger with a better message, brother, Trump told his followers several times they wouldnt need to vote again, what do you think that means, no more elections.

 

[DKDetective]

I think it was reasonable to think most people would have the common sense to reject a rapist, insurrectionist, liar, narcissist, felon, etc (I could list one hundred flaws)

They want change, especially economic. They don't care where it comes from. That is why Kamala had such huge support and was doing great in the polls in July and August when she represented something new. As soon as she started pivoting to the middle and committed to sticking with Biden from the convention on, her lead started slipping more and more.

 

[Teelie]

Look at the silver lining: Government is slow and inept. Trump's cronies are only going to gum it up worse and make things difficult but they can't do it quickly, or even at all given the mechanisms installed which means there is all the possibilty of undoing the mess once this 4 years of fresh hell is over. People's memories are short and they are misguided but hopefully this time it sticks and they remember how bad this can get.

 

[Donner]

I really think Biden should have stayed in the election, won, and then resigned and Harris becomes president. I know Biden is old and senile, but so is Trump and he won. And Biden is a man. I lost hope that America would ever vote for a woman when Hillary, white and presidential royalty, lost.

 

[Ironfan72]

I really think Biden should have stayed in the election, won, and then resigned and Harris becomes president. I know Biden is old and senile, but so is Trump and he won. And Biden is a man. I lost hope that America would ever vote for a woman when Hillary, white and presidential royalty, lost.

I would agree but every damn democrat was screaming for him to drop out, he gave them what they wanted and they did nothing with it

 

[Donner]

I would agree but every damn democrat was screaming for him to drop out, he gave them what they wanted and they did nothing with it

True, but they would have voted for him. And the white male vote probably would have gone his way too. I don’t think Kamala could ever have won. Maybe Bernie could have.

 

[DKDetective]

I would agree but every damn democrat was screaming for him to drop out, he gave them what they wanted and they did nothing with it

Biden couldn't save them. The exit polls show that the number one concern for voters was the economy, namely inflation and they blamed Biden for it. He did a horrible job explaining the issue or listening to people's concerns. His administration just kept telling everyone that the economy was good, growing, and unemployment was low.

 

[Punisher_MAX]

This really only solidifies that it HAS to be Gavin Newsome in 2028.

 

[Donner]

Do people think Trump is bluffing when he says they won’t have to vote again?

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

Now I wonder what will happen with Trump’s sentencing that is suppose to take place later this month

 

[Zarex]

Trump and his team did a masterful job convincing the American public that we are in the midst of a bad economy despite most indicators suggesting this is not the case. Back in the day high employment was a key issue with voters, but now the economy seems to be solely the relative price of rent and gas.

I don't know what Kamala could have done differently to pull out a win here other than be white and male. A VP running against her opponent AND her President would have been a balancing act comparable to the Israeli/Palestinian one she slipped on. And I don't think running more liberal would have been successful combating Trump's transgender attack ads. I'm coming around on the idea that Trump is the president Merica deserves.

 

[Ironfan72]

Now I wonder what will happen with Trump’s sentencing that is suppose to take place later this month

will not happen now, i expect after his swearing in alot of judges and federal prosecutors will be removed in a purge, its part of project 2025, no one will be able to enforce a state conviction against a sitting president, one with all the government (house, senate and supreme court) backing him, i also wouldnt be shocked to see arrests made against democrats and republicans who opposed him.

 

[Punisher_MAX]

I'm pretty sure this is how that movie Civil War started too, with a President overstepping his power and forcing a 3rd term along with other things.

 

[Mani-Man]

Dems either have to start running harder left candidates, or candidates that aren't afraid to be just as nasty as Republicans.

Both, the need both.
They forced Tim Walz to tone it down, they didnt go harder after the media for Trumps attacks and lies etc.
And of course the stance on Israel didnt help.
Democrats have to stop going farther right, they need to go farther left and embrace that.
And stop playing the Gentlemans game...but even more important, stop running on "We are not the republicans".
By the end Harris message was mainly just "We are not like Trump"...which was stupid.
You gotta deliver more, not less.

I blame comics and movies and video games, for making us feel that "good" always wins
when really, evil is easy, and usually comes out on top

I like to call it Hollywood america vs real america.

The illusion America built for the world.
The Sheriff of the world, the heroes, brothers and sisters not by blood but by the love for what america stands for etc.

All nonsense and we gotta stop this illusion.
Europe has to step up big time because Europe is more that.
Many countries in Europe have more freedom and more this mindset than america ever had.

These elections showed what america is beyond all the hollywood illusion.
A country run on racism, hate, bigotry, lies.

Elon too.

Most annoying thing probably.
I can deal with many of the right...but that Musk won, is driving me nuts.
The good news is that it wont make Twitter successfull, people might even leave in bigger numbers...but still, he got his Ultimate goal and that sucks big time.

Im seeing all these democrats saying we will come back stronger with a better message, brother, Trump told his followers several times they wouldnt need to vote again, what do you think that means, no more elections.

Despite all, i have a hard time believing they really manage to get America so far into the ground that there will be no more elections...i dont believe that for a second.
Things will be bad for 4 years, but i still think it only will be 4 years.
But there is this nagging feeling in the back of my head, i cant lie...that maybe things will turn far worse.

 

[Ironfan72]

I'm pretty sure this is how that movie Civil War started too, with a President overstepping his power and forcing a 3rd term along with other things.

I see blue states like the west coast openly defying any thing Trump tries, California absolutely doesnt need the federal government, do i think we might see states leaving the united states, depends on how bad things get