Discussion: Global Warming, Emission Standards, and Other Environmental Issues - Part 1

[Human Torch]

Why are you so dismissive of other people's PHDs? You don't think that makes them more knowledgeable about global warming than you?

Because people don't need to talk down to people from a place of arrogant superiority like some people do around here.

But,be it Climate change/Evolution there are always both sides to an argument.The (Atheistic) Liberal Left typically tries it's best to discredit any opposition to their world view as the great unwashed pin heads of society,regardless of their sheepskin .

 

[Human Torch]

See, this right here is more than a little disturbing. What an irresponsible and dangerous mindset.

Having faith in a Divine Creator? You should try it sometime.t:

 

[Doctor Evo]

Because people don't need to talk down to people from a place of arrogant superiority like some people do around here.

That's irrational.

But,be it Climate change/Evolution there are always both sides to an argument.

That doesn't mean that both sides are equally valid. You can cry about arrogance from your corner all you want - it doesn't change reality.

In this universe, two plus two does not equal five, no matter how hard you scream and whine at the mathematicians.

The (Atheistic) Liberal Left typically tries it's best to discredit any opposition to their world view as the great unwashed pin heads of society,regardless of their sheepskin .

Science doesn't care about religious views or political affiliations. This sounds like the sour grapes of someone who has obstinately and consistently chosen to remain on the losing side of an argument.

Having faith in a Divine Creator? You should try it sometime. t:

In this particular instance? Yes. Though I do take comfort in the fact that there are others of faith who are not quite so dangerously indifferent.

 

[Human Torch]

That's irrational.

Is it now?I wonder...

That doesn't mean that both sides are equally valid. You can cry about arrogance from your corner all you want - it doesn't change reality.

In this universe, two plus two does not equal five, no matter how hard you scream and whine at the mathematicians.

It's only the people who are trying to rig these "facts" to support their claims that I'm worried about.As usual you're trying to make things out to be fact,when in reality there are as many scientists/scholars that have the opposite opinions on Climate change/evolution.

Science doesn't care about religious views or political affiliations. This sounds like the sour grapes of someone who has obstinately and consistently chosen to remain on the losing side of an argument.

Nope.No arrogance there.

In this particular instance? Yes. Though I do take comfort in the fact that there are others of faith who are not quite so dangerously indifferent.

Please.This whole movement is the modern version of the doomsayers with the sandwich board reading "Repent!The End is Coming!"

Only with their "god" (Small 'g' t being "science".I suppose if you want to make science your god,it's much more profitable,however unreliable.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I don't really get why being a creationist means you have to take this attitude.

I mean, obviously you're going to reject some of the scientific principals behind climate science, but even the super religious people in Oklahoma listen to the meteorologist when he says a tornado is coming.

Is it just because you're wrong about every other thing related to science, and you want to be consistent?

 

[Human Torch]

I don't really get why being a creationist means you have to take this attitude.

I mean, obviously you're going to reject some of the scientific principals behind climate science, but even the super religious people in Oklahoma listen to the meteorologist when he says a tornado is coming.

Is it just because you're wrong about every other thing related to science, and you want to be consistent?

Again with the arrogance.

As is usually the case,it seems like you're broad brushing.I'm not so much saying climate changes don't happen,but that:

It's not abnormal or unprecedented.

Not made by Man

Will not-can not be the cause of the end of life on earth.(God has His own means for the end)

 

[Thundercrack85]

Well, I think that's silly, but even if that's true (which it most certainly isn't)... manmade climate change doesn't have to wipe out all life on Earth to be a serious problem.

Have you been to the Maldives?

They're not dying (yet), but it's getting pretty damn worrisome.

 

[Doctor Evo]

Is it now?I wonder...

Yes.

It's only the people who are trying to rig these "facts" to support their claims that I'm worried about.As usual you're trying to make things out to be fact,when in reality there are as many scientists/scholars that have the opposite opinions on Climate change/evolution.

To which I respond, yet again:

That doesn't mean that both sides are equally valid. You can cry about arrogance from your corner all you want - it doesn't change reality.

In this universe, two plus two does not equal five, no matter how hard you scream and whine at the mathematicians.

Only with their "god" (Small 'g' t being "science".I suppose if you want to make science your god,it's much more profitable,however unreliable.

...he said from his computer.

 

[Doctor Evo]

It's not abnormal or unprecedented.

Yes, and no.

Not made by Man

As soon as you can back up this statement empirically (or at least attempt to), we'll talk.

Will not-can not be the cause of the end of life on earth.(God has His own means for the end)

That you can't see why this mindset is damaging even outside of the context of climate change is disturbing.

 

[Feenix]

I see Human a Torch is at it again. Do you miss your religious threads that much that you have to go into non related threads and bring it up?

By the way, your quote of:

It's only the people who are trying to rig these "facts" to support their claims that I'm worried about.As usual you're trying to make things out to be fact,when in reality there are as many scientists/scholars that have the opposite opinions on Climate change/evolution.

Is just wrong. When it comes to evolution, only the "scientists" who are on the payroll of an ultra conservative, religious group/party believe in creationism. The only "fact rigging" that is done is by the people who deny evolution because their arguments don't hold up to evidence.

As for the idea that man made climate change can't happen because a god wouldn't allow it is just ridiculous. And arrogant. I don't see how you can possibly think that man can do whatever he wants to the environment because some god won't allow it to be destroyed. How is that not arrogant? And yet you accuse others of arrogance. Ironic.

 

[Human Torch]

I see Human a Torch is at it again. Do you miss your religious threads that much that you have to go into non related threads and bring it up?

Sorry to disappoint you,Pincher,but my world view doesn't begin and end with a corresponding thread.

Is just wrong. When it comes to evolution, only the "scientists" who are on the payroll of an ultra conservative, religious group/party believe in creationism. The only "fact rigging" that is done is by the people who deny evolution because their arguments don't hold up to evidence.

That's why these discussions bore me for the most part.It just turns into "you're wrong!-No You're Wrong!"

I'm sure you're familiar with "Expelled" Ben Stein's documentary.(And I'm sure if given half a chance, many will write a 6,000 word essay attempting to rip it a new one.) You have to be pretty naive to believe all scientists (well,barring those with any of those pesky "religious beliefs") are the lily white-souled,noble creatures without an agenda in the world and answer only to "the common good",giving no thought at all to financial remunerations given by those who hand out grants for them to stay in business..

As for the idea that man made climate change can't happen because a god wouldn't allow it is just ridiculous. And arrogant. I don't see how you can possibly think that man can do whatever he wants to the environment because some god won't allow it to be destroyed. How is that not arrogant? And yet you accuse others of arrogance. Ironic.

I never said Man can do whatever he wants to the environment.God wants us to be good stewards of His creation.(Man's first 'job' was as gardener.)

Again,having faith that God will keep the world spinning as He intended is not arrogance.But there is certainly a lack of humility on the part of those who believe we're so capable of undoing something created completely beyond our comprehension and ability.

 

[BestGirl]

If your fear is that humans will somehow make the world stop spinning, then yeah, that probably won't happen, and I don't believe anyone is saying that it will. There's more concern for what our activities are doing to the environment, and, by extension, how that will impact humanity. Even if we don't kill every single human being on earth, a very large number could die, and that would be a tragedy by itself.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Again,having faith that God will keep the world spinning as He intended is not arrogance.But there is certainly a lack of humility on the part of those who believe we're so capable of undoing something created completely beyond our comprehension and ability.

Speak for yourself.

Just because you fail to grasp basic scientific concepts doesn't mean others here do.

 

[Human Torch]

Speak for yourself. .

I generally do.

Just because you fail to grasp basic scientific concepts doesn't mean others here do.

And I guess you fail to grasp the concept that there are viably alternative views to your own.

 

[Doctor Evo]

And I guess you fail to grasp the concept that there are viably alternative views to your own.

The mere fact that alternative views exist does not make them equally valid. Stomping your feet, crossing your arms and stubbornly insisting that they are won't change that.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

HT you do realize that 97% of the scientific community agrees that climate change is real and is man made. The only question most have is the rate at which it will go not if it is happening. Those 3% are paid shills and have no empirical evidence to support their views. Do you believe in things like gravity?

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Scientist Offers $10,000 To Anyone Who Can Disprove Climate Change

Outraged by the unsavory tactics of climate change deniers, physicist Christopher Keating says he'll give $10,000 to anyone who can use the scientific method to prove that human-instigated climate change isn't real.

Keating has been involved in one way or another with climate change for the past three decades. He's been a professor of physics for over 20 years and has taught at the U.S. Naval Academy and the U.S. Coast Guard Academy.

He recently issued a bit of a tirade via PRWeb, claiming that climate change deniers are using the same methods as the tobacco industry, and pointing to their claims as evidence.

"Compare the claims of deniers of today to the people that denied a link between tobacco and lung disease and see how similar they are," he writes. "The tobacco people funded certain scientists to undermine valid research. At the same time, they called into question the ability of scientist receiving government funding to remain unbiased. They claimed lung disease was just a natural event. Climate change deniers today are making the same arguments about global warming."

He says the science of climate change science is so overwhelming that the only way we can deny global warming is to deny science itself.

"Greenhouse gases are on the rise and the effects are evident: The earth is getting warmer, weather everywhere is changing, the oceans are warming at an alarming rate and ice caps are melting," he says. "Everywhere you look you see evidence of global warming. This isn't something that is only going to occur in the future, it is happening right now."

To that end, Keating is offering two prizes: One that will pay $10,000 to anyone who can prove — via the scientific method — that anthropogenic climate change is not real, and one that will pay $1,000 to anyone who can provide any scientific evidence at all that it isn't real.

"I'm a scientist and I have to go where the science leads me. I have been studying climate change for a long time and I am certain my money is safe," he adds. "They are in the business of denial and deception, not science. But, if someone could give me a scientific proof global warming isn't real, it would be worth the money."

http://dialoguesonglobalwarming.blogspot.com/

Okay climate change deniers, time to put up or shut the **** up. You got two choices here and both will net you cash. So tweet your favorite climate change denier or gather your evidence with proof and put all of us in our place.

 

[Human Torch]

The mere fact that alternative views exist does not make them equally valid. Stomping your feet, crossing your arms and stubbornly insisting that they are won't change that.

Your biased behavior is no different than those you habitually chastise.

 

[Human Torch]

HT you do realize that 97% of the scientific community agrees that climate change is real and is man made. The only question most have is the rate at which it will go not if it is happening. Those 3% are paid shills and have no empirical evidence to support their views. Do you believe in things like gravity?

I love the comparisons to things like gravity that can be tested against theoretical claims.

For one thing,there are certainly more than 3% out there that disagree with the popular line of thinking.The fact is,the leftists have taken over pretty much every facet of science and journalism in the country today,so it's obvious that dissenting voices are not going to be heard as readily.(I find it the soul of amusement that "Fox News" is hurled as an epithet around here,with a thread of it's own to boot.But CNN & MSNBC with Mr Chris 'I got the thrill for Obama goin' up muh leg!' Matthews couldn't possibly have their own bias.Oh no,not much.Eh,I digress.)

 

[Human Torch]

Scientist Offers $10,000 To Anyone Who Can Disprove Climate Change



http://dialoguesonglobalwarming.blogspot.com/

Okay climate change deniers, time to put up or shut the **** up. You got two choices here and both will net you cash. So tweet your favorite climate change denier or gather your evidence with proof and put all of us in our place.

Again,I'm not claiming there isn't any climate change happening,but that it's not man made,or historically unique.There was a period of "warming" during the Middle Ages and the Roman times before that.It's all part of a cycle.Mars and Pluto have been warming as well.Have we caused that too?

 

[Doctor Evo]

Your biased behavior is no different than those you habitually chastise.

The difference is that the evidence is on my side. *Shrugs*

 

[Doctor Evo]

Again,I'm not claiming there isn't any climate change happening,but that it's not man made,or historically unique.There was a period of "warming" during the Middle Ages and the Roman times before that.It's all part of a cycle.Mars and Pluto have been warming as well.Have we caused that too?

https://www.skepticalscience.com/pluto-global-warming.htm

You can do better.

 

[Doctor Evo]

I love the comparisons to things like gravity that can be tested against theoretical claims.

So can theories such as biological evolution and anthropogenic climate change. The fact that you don't think they can suggests a critical knowledge gap.

EDIT: And FYI, I might be out of contact over the next few days (unless I can find a place with WiFi). See, I'm going to be in the field collecting samples for my study on shark evolution. You know...that thing we evil leftists invented just to piss off creationists.

 

[Human Torch]

The bottom line is everyone has an agenda.Of course,the leftists in the scientific community are going to skewer their findings to suit the godless/socialist left who fund their work.To think otherwise,is totally naive.

A great example of this is in the health care industry.The scientific folks in the FDA don't want to study the benefits of herbs & vitamins because they can't patent a food or herb.There's big money to be made in treating people with drugs & surgery.The Common Good,be damned.When you leave Big Brother in charge of the Scientific community,the only findings you're gonna get is what the Guv wants you to know.And Money is always at the center of it.

 

[Feenix]

The bottom line is everyone has an agenda.Of course,the leftists in the scientific community are going to skewer their findings to suit the godless/socialist left who fund their work.To think otherwise,is totally naive.

A great example of this is in the health care industry.The scientific folks in the FDA don't want to study the benefits of herbs & vitamins because they can't patent a food or herb.There's big money to be made in treating people with drugs & surgery.The Common Good,be damned.When you leave Big Brother in charge of the Scientific community,the only findings you're gonna get is what the Guv wants you to know.And Money is always at the center of it.

Turn off the Fox News. You sound like a religious nutjob bursting with conspiracy theories.