🇺🇸 Discussion: Guns, The Second Amendment, NRA - Part II

[Bobber]

Yes. Banning and confiscating guns from people is a bad thing. It's about as un-American as it gets. Believe it or not, people learning to shoot at such a young age is completely normal in some parts of the country.

You're right. Banning and confiscating guns is very un-American.
You know what's really American, though? Mass shootings every month. So maybe you should try being un-American.

 

[Schlosser85]

I think a good nonpartisan policy to actually protect at least children would be to just increase school security, not the pretty trolling-y idea of arming teachers but just have or increase armed guards/police in schools, maybe that seems pretty boring and insufficient but it sure does make sense and would be a way of increasing safety, at least trying to, without reducing rights throughout society.

Maybe that would deter some school shooters, but that's a band-aid that doesn't actually address the mass shooting problem. We can't just have armed guards stationed everywhere. Schools, malls, Wal-Marts, nightclubs, churches, mosques, synagogues?

 

[Sithborg]

The Dayton shooter was stopped within 5 minutes.

Still 10 dead and 27 injured.

 

[DJ Kornphlake]

He was stopped in half a minute, actually.

 

[Sithborg]

He was stopped in half a minute, actually.

Oh, so practically immediately. Even better.

There are weapons and accessories that do not belong in civillian hands.

 

[Lily Adler]

Oh, so practically immediately. Even better.

There are weapons and accessories that do not belong in civillian hands.

You little punk you knew the number. You're just trying to make your point.

 

[Sithborg]

You little punk you knew the number. You're just trying to make your point.

Look, there are a lot of shootings to keep track of. I can forget the finer details. I knew it was resolved quickly, but just forgot how quickly.

 

[MaceB]

Yes. Banning and confiscating guns from people is a bad thing. It's about as un-American as it gets. Believe it or not, people learning to shoot at such a young age is completely normal in some parts of the country.

America has a history of confiscating guns in the 1994 Assault Rifle Ban. The Supreme Court never ruled it was unconstitutional. AND it totally worked to reduce mass shootings.

The fact that you see guns not as a tool but as a symbol of cultural heritage is the real problem. It was not the intent of the 2nd amendment that every man, woman, and child have a locked and loaded gun next to their bed. It was not the intent of the 2nd amendment to allow military grade Semi-Automatic killing machines to be available without government regulations. It's not our fault that some folks have been brainwashed into thinking that guns are some kind of proxy for their personal liberties.

Banning and confiscating Semi-Automatic Assault weapons is a good thing... it's a policy that saves lives, while also keeping your ability to bear arms and to defend your home. It's not un-American. Allowing whoever to get a gun unchecked is un-American.

The fact that children are basically brainwashed from an early age to believe that guns are a way of life rather than a tool for protection is the real problem, frankly. It's not a toy. It's not a hobby. But for a lot of people, that's exactly what guns are... more like a religion than anything, honestly. That's the real problem. Ammophiles pretending to be patriots.

 

[Lily Adler]

Look, there are a lot of shootings to keep track of. I can forget the finer details. I knew it was resolved quickly, but just forgot how quickly.

Yeah the reality of this country is grim.

 

[Teelie]

Yes. Banning and confiscating guns from people is a bad thing. It's about as un-American as it gets. Believe it or not, people learning to shoot at such a young age is completely normal in some parts of the country.

Perhaps it is time to redefine what being an American is then.

 

[C. Lee]

The troll is gone.

 

[Lighthouse]

The troll is gone.

"Be gone!"

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yes. Banning and confiscating guns from people is a bad thing. It's about as un-American as it gets. Believe it or not, people learning to shoot at such a young age is completely normal in some parts of the country.

There are a lot of things that were considered "un-American" that are a way of life now in America. That one might dare say is, totally American. Like a black person counting as a whole person, women voting, or you know, Civil Rights in general. And yet, this nation somehow survived.

 

[Lily Adler]

There are a lot of things that were considered "un-American" that are a way of life now in America. That one might dare say is, totally American. Like a black person counting as a whole person, women voting, or you know, Civil Rights in general. And yet, this nation somehow survived.

Ah Civil Rights for all... except the gays.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Ah Civil Rights for all... except the gays.

Being Gay, un-American.

Imagine if everything that was considered un-American was never allowed to happen in the US. I am sure Trump supporters do it all the time.

 

[Mike5575]

The troll is gone.

There are a lot of things that were considered "un-American" that are a way of life now in America. That one might dare say is, totally American. Like a black person counting as a whole person, women voting, or you know, Civil Rights in general. And yet, this nation somehow survived.

What don't seem to get is that among those things that you've mentioned, owning firearms to protect life and liberty is a natural right.

 

[Mike5575]

Ah Civil Rights for all... except the gays.

I guess you haven't heard of Pink Pistols.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

What don't seem to get is that among those things that you've mentioned, owning firearms to protect life and liberty is a natural right.

A natural right? Do you live some place where guns grow out of the ground or something? Also why is it limited to gun, and not all weapons?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I guess you haven't heard of Pink Pistols. View attachment 28047

I guess you haven't read that Trump's administration is arguing in court that the Civil Rights laws passed in the 60s don't apply to the LGBTQ community. But hey, I guess because those laws are being taken from them, they can take to the streets with their guns and fight for them, right?

 

[Sithborg]

The Constitution is a piece of paper. Designed to be changed throughout history. This deification of the founding fathers is a problem. The Constitution is not perfect. It needs to be changed. And has been. 17 times.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The Constitution is a piece of paper. Designed to be changed throughout history. This deification of the founding fathers is a problem. The Constitution is not perfect. It needs to be changed. And has been. 17 times.

They even knew it.

 

[Mike5575]

A natural right? Do you live some place where guns grow out of the ground or something? Also why is it limited to gun, and not all weapons?

No, people don't have a right to all weapons. They have a right to bear arms. This includes guns knives, or other handheld weapons, but excludes "destructive devices" such as automatic weapons, grenades and any firearm with a bore diameter greater than 50 caliber.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

No, people don't have a right to all weapons. They have a right to bear arms. This includes guns knives, or other handheld weapons, but excludes "destructive devices" such as automatic weapons, grenades and any firearm with a bore diameter greater than 50 caliber.

Why?

 

[MaceB]

What don't seem to get is that among those things that you've mentioned, owning firearms to protect life and liberty is a natural right.

No it’s not. You have a natural right to speak your mind. A natural right to prayer. You have a constitutional right to bear arms... and no where does it stipulate that that right extends to having a gun unregulated or having a semi-automatic assault rifle.

 

[Teelie]

The right to bear arms is also vaguely defined, interpeted as convienent for your position. Meaning everyone has a right to guns to the state has a right to only have militia armed with guns.