Discussion: Online Piracy, Net Neutrality, Killswitch, and Other Internet Issues

[Troy_Parker]

All I know is if that people want to get free **** on the internet, they're going to get it. People always find a way. This is just going to be a huge inconvenience to those that aren't thieves and a waste of effort and time.

This.

 

[SpideyInATree]

It's definitely a very bothersome bill and it was only a matter of time before it started coming to the forefront. However, if it passes I don't think it's something that will stand for too long because the general public and the voters will certainly not stand for it.

 

[Megarob]

Agreed. All valid points. I heard somewhere that Facebook, and twitter, were going to shut down there sites for like a whole day, and leave up some information about SOPA, cause for the most part, not THAT many people know about it, or what it is... I think that would be a great way of getting the news out. Letting people know what really would happen if it's passed. That could be cool.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Rather than shutting down their website completely, it'd be great if YouTube blocked all music videos, clips from movies, etc for a day to show what could happen if SOPA was passed. I guess it'd be kinda hard to do, but it would send a message if they did something like that.

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

i'm really thinking that there is very little to stop this going through, so many decent legit sites are going to end up being destroyed

 

[dark_b]

happy to see that noone on SHH thinks this is about piracy. SOPA is not good

 

[SpideyInATree]

No, it's not. American government is very quickly losing sight of why all those really smart guys came over to America and had this Revolutionary War thing. Of why exactly this country was formed in the first place. I can hear John Adams, Ben Franklin, George Washington, and even John freakin' Hancock spinning in their graves.

 

[Megarob]

Piracy is just the cover to the bill, what lies beneath it will be devastating to the internet as we know it. I do my best (trying not to sound preachy) to make people aware, that while piracy is a "bad" thing, breaking the internet isn't the way to end piracy.

I think times are changing and if the movie, or music, or book industry cant move with times, and adapt to the changing times... Welp piracy happens...

 

[bored]

If it does make it to Obama's desk, I imagine he'll either veto it or do what he's done with the NDAA, riddle it with signing statements to make it less draconian. And either way, it's going to deal with court challenges.

 

[Scourge2099]

]It's not gonna go through, and if it does, Anon will be relentless.[/B]
The National Defence Authorization Act however... lol.

You don't think the government can hire competent hackers to track down Anon ? Anon backed down when it was learned that Los Zetas hired hackers to find them.

 

[Scourge2099]

It's definitely a very bothersome bill and it was only a matter of time before it started coming to the forefront. However, if it passes I don't think it's something that will stand for too long because the general public and the voters will certainly not stand for it.

Kinda like how the Patriot Act and its sequels got squashed because the general public were troubled by it ?

 

[SpideyInATree]

Kinda like how the Patriot Act and its sequels got squashed because the general public were troubled by it ?

The Patriot Act is a little bit different than this act that they're proposing.

 

[Scourge2099]

The Patriot Act is a little bit different than this act that they're proposing.

Both are pretty troubling though. They both start off sounding good until you read the whole thing , but then again more people vote for the next American Idol than they do the President or anyone else in government. We get exactly what we ask for.

 

[SpideyInATree]

The Patriot Act is something that they use for terrorist activities. It was the product of 9/11 and I'm sure it's probably assisted in deterring terrorist activity.

It's apple and oranges.

 

[DarkSovereignty]

plus the patriot act had the backdrop of 9/11 to back it up. this is very obviously a corporate action that will have disastrous repercussion. edit, a little late i know.

 

[Scourge2099]

The Patriot Act is something that they use for terrorist activities. It was the product of 9/11 and I'm sure it's probably assisted in deterring terrorist activity.

It's apple and oranges.

It's been used to strip away rights from Americans too though. Why do you think the military can detain anyone they even think make be aiding terrorists.

 

[SpideyInATree]

It's been used to strip away rights from Americans too though. Why do you think the military can detain anyone they even think make be aiding terrorists.

Yeah, and that's a bit different than the bill that's being proposed now. Once again...terrorists flew planes into buildings. So, yeah, things are going to be a little different in that respect.

Like I said, it's apples and oranges.

 

[Victarion]

If this goes through, couldn't people just use an online anonymous proxy server whose IP is for another country to bypass the politcorporatedickery?

 

[SpideyInATree]

If this goes through, couldn't people just use an online anonymous proxy server whose IP is for another country to bypass the politcorporatedickery?

Exactly. As someone said earlier in the thread...if people really want to get away with stuff on the Internet they will find a way.

 

[Master Chief]

The Patriot Act is something that they use for terrorist activities. It was the product of 9/11 and I'm sure it's probably assisted in deterring terrorist activity.

It's apple and oranges.

It doesn't bother you that they can arrest anybody they merely SUSPECT of being a terrorist, without charging them, and hold them indefinitely without trial?

If this goes through, couldn't people just use an online anonymous proxy server whose IP is for another country to bypass the politcorporatedickery?

Oh, that totally makes it ok.

 

[SpideyInATree]

It doesn't bother you that they can arrest anybody they merely SUSPECT of being a terrorist, without charging them, and hold them indefinitely without trial?



Oh, that totally makes it ok.

I'm not saying it doesn't bother me I'm just trying to explain the difference in the bills.

 

[enterthemadness]

The big net companies may use the nuke option late this month...and there's a thread on this in politics...

 

[SuperMike335!!]

The issue with the Bill is it allows for too much power to be abused. The government is filled with laws that started small and become too reaching very quickly. For an example, all they would have to do, if you put up something they did not like, political dissent for example, you could be thrown in prison, and acused of putting out copyright material, even if its BS.

Our media is owned by only 5 corporations, and they already are controlled, so most people are not informed about event where our government has abused it power in recent history.

If you want to know where they will draw the line with SOPA, the answer is they wont.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

So what exactly is SOPA? I'm not sure I'm familiar with it.

 

[RKO]

So what exactly is SOPA? I'm not sure I'm familiar with it.

It's soup in español.