Discussion: Racism - Part 3

[LTuser]

And a reminder. The dreamers were kids who were brought over by their parents. And those in the DACA program have had to abide by some pretty good standards of being a good citizen. I am sure you are all for deporting the 900 dreamers who are currently active in the military, as well.

First off, i never understood HOW THEY Were even allowed to get into the military in the first place.. Let alone pass a security backround check.
That said, i've always felt serving in the military SHOULD be a pathway to citizenship.. FOR THOSE who legally come here in the first place. Not for those who came in illegally (even if it was their parents who brought them here). That said, if they are honorably serving, let them stay. BUT NOT their extended family.

And good to know that drunk driving is murder now. You will pardon me if I don't see what being illegal immigrant makes it any different than any other drunk driving accident.

The fact, that YET AGAIN someone who's not supposed to be here, not supposed to be driving, and has been repeatedly deported, is BACK IN country, killing US citizens.. AND A KID at that.
So where's all the cries from the left about "WE need to ban X, do it for the kids"??

How do conservatives square their need to "punish" sanctuary cities with their embrace of "nullification" and "states rights"?

Because Immigration is NOT a state right but a federal one.

Dreamers are as American as anyone else for all intents and purposes,

Are they?? How many times do we see these "dreamers" in marches, flying their home country's flags?
I certainly don't see that as being 'as american as anyone else'

Also for a member of the military to support deporting fellow servicemen who are risking their lives for this country, and their families.....well, I'm not sure exactly what word I'd choose to describe that, but I don't know that it would be "patriotic".

Pray tell, where have i said that illegals/dreamers in the military should be rounded up and deported??

 

[Sithborg]

I think you pretty much implied it in your first sentence.

And again, I don't see any difference between an illegal immigrant involved in a drunk driving accident vs a citizen in a drunk driving accident.

 

[LTuser]

I think you pretty much implied it in your first sentence.

And again, I don't see any difference between an illegal immigrant involved in a drunk driving accident vs a citizen in a drunk driving accident.

Its the fact the illegal alien
A) more than likely has no license and insurance, unlike the citizen
and B) SHOULDN'T even be here..

Its like why i feel cops and other members of LE, should be DOUBLY punished when they break the law.. Cause not only are they breaking the law, but they are also breaking their oaths they swore to UPHOLD the law..

 

[Schlosser85]

Dreamers aren’t here illegally. They’re residing legally under the DACA program.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Are they?? How many times do we see these "dreamers" in marches, flying their home country's flags?
I certainly don't see that as being 'as american as anyone else'

Yeah cause Americans never fly the flags of their national backgrounds. Certainly not the Irish. Or the Italian.

Also, kind of idiotic to suggest that is indicative of all dreamers. Most of them have never been in a march.

Honestly buddy, coming off as rather ridiculous here.

 

[Sithborg]

I mean, it is pretty clear where his info is coming from.

 

[Mike5575]

Are you kidding? As far as the government is concerned once your military service is up you can go **** off and die for all the concern they give let alone about your citixzenship. Just look at the VA and how much they can't get anything done right.

It's one giant inept machine that churns out bodies and a lot of Americans really love soldiers, until they retire then they just kind of forget about them.

I don't know. The military was pretty good to me. I have no issues with the VA and I still get my monthly disability benefits. Veterans are treated a lot better than they used to.

I'm not dying.

 

[LTuser]

Dreamers aren’t here illegally. They’re residing legally under the DACA program.

And what does DACA stand for.
DEFERRED
ACTION
for childhood arrivals..

DEFERRED = meaning delayed
ACTION = Deportation..

So since they are still potentially deportable, that stands to reason they are still technically illegal..

I don't know. The military was pretty good to me. I have no issues with the VA and I still get my monthly disability benefits. Veterans are treated a lot better than they used to.

I'm not dying.

While i too, have yet to have issues with the VA, i've known plenty who did.

 

[Teelie]

I don't know. The military was pretty good to me. I have no issues with the VA and I still get my monthly disability benefits. Veterans are treated a lot better than they used to.

I'm not dying.

You would be an exception to the overwhelming general rule then. The VA has no doubt stepped up somewhat but every few months we hear how they continue to fail to respond to military personnel who needed help.

 

[LTuser]

Did you see that news story the other day, on all those contractors who've had lung problems, cause of all the burn pits that were over in Iraq?? THE VA is now only just recognizing and acknowledging the links?!?!?!?!?

 

[Aximili86]

Yeah, that DACA assertion is a little midleading. They're legal, yeah. Temporarily. There's no permanent guarantee under Obama's system on it, we need to fix that.

 

[Donner]

10 of 12 posts in the Politics section. Hmmmm.

 

[Sithborg]

Sometimes, it is clear it is best to report and walk away.

 

[LTuser]

Yeah, that DACA assertion is a little midleading. They're legal, yeah. Temporarily. There's no permanent guarantee under Obama's system on it, we need to fix that.

In what way, granting amnesty? IMO hell no. Reagan did that, and that was supposed to be it. BUT we've had what, 4 other amnesties since?

When i continually see stories of dreamers being busted for 'helping to funnel in OTHER illegal aliens into the country, or killing Americans driving, or ID fraud/welfare fraud. Such as
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/courts/sd-me-identity-theft-20180302-story.html
i lose all sympathy i MIGHT have had for their 'plight'.

 

[Schlosser85]

In what way, granting amnesty? IMO hell no. Reagan did that, and that was supposed to be it. BUT we've had what, 4 other amnesties since?

When i continually see stories of dreamers being busted for 'helping to funnel in OTHER illegal aliens into the country, or killing Americans driving, or ID fraud/welfare fraud. Such as
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/courts/sd-me-identity-theft-20180302-story.html
i lose all sympathy i MIGHT have had for their 'plight'.

You do realize the term "Dreamers" applies specifically to people under the DACA program, a prerequisite of which is a squeaky clean record, and not just to any and all illegal immigrants, right?

Your continual attempts to conflate Dreamers with any and all illegal immigrants and discredit the Dreamers by posting stories of crimes by illegal immigrants who aren't even part of the DACA program makes you look either disingenuous or uninformed.

Being enrolled in school or having a diploma, being employed, and never having been convicted of a crime are prerequisites of the DACA program.

There are currently 900 Dreamers serving in the military.

3,000 Dreamers hold a college degree.

Dreamers are not eligible for welfare.

Being productive in society is virtually a prerequisite of being enrolled in the DACA program. These aren't "toilet-scrubbing illegals begging for charity" like the above banned and deleted person called him. They're employed college students, many of whom have been here since they were too young to even remember the country of their birth.

If no amnesty at least for the ones enrolled in the DACA program (again, not talking about any and all illegal immigrants), then what?

Take an employed college student who's been here since they were a baby and has been law-abiding the entire time they've under enrolled in the program, and deport them back to a "homeland" they don't even remember? Who is that benefitting?

 

[chaseter]

Anyone serving in the military should get automatic citizenship after x amount of years in service. Say 4....

 

[Aximili86]

Hell, I'd be cool with one. Or a single tour or something.

 

[chaseter]

1 is too low imo. My point is anyone willing to serve this Country deserves to then be a legal citizen.

We also can’t keep doing amnesty as someone pointed out so military service can be offered instead of deportation. It’s a job, you get benefits, and you literally have skin in the game.

 

[chamber-music]

Anyone serving in the military should get automatic citizenship after x amount of years in service. Say 4....

Out of curiosity would you be in favor of citizenship for the Afghan/Iraqi translators who worked with U.S troops being offered citizenship?

Some of them end up with a target on themselves and their families for working with U.S forces.

 

[chaseter]

Out of curiosity would you be in favor of citizenship for the Afghan/Iraqi translators who worked with U.S troops being offered citizenship?

Some of them end up with a target on themselves and their families for working with U.S forces.

I always figured informants and co-op civilians in other countries were paid and protected during service. If not then that is a flaw. If afterwards they are in danger then again, offer military service and a path to citizenship. They can then translate as a US employee and not a civilian and be on the fast track for citizenship? People in immediate danger should be protected.

 

[Aximili86]

Pretty sure translators do have some theoretical fast-track deal to citizenship, or at least legal residency.

Thing is, we're ****ty at getting it done. It really needs to be streamlined & expediated a lot more than it is at the moment.

 

[chaseter]

Out immigration system is broken A to Z anyways.

 

[LTuser]

You do realize the term "Dreamers" applies specifically to people under the DACA program, a prerequisite of which is a squeaky clean record, and not just to any and all illegal immigrants, right?

Then they are not doing a good job then. Since just this year alone, there's been a # of stories about this or that "Dreamer" done for crimes..

There are currently 900 Dreamers serving in the military.

And i'd like to know HOW?? To get in, i had to pass a bunch of checks, including deep backround ones for my security clearance, even going so far as to have people go to the UK to interview family and friends that lived over there.. SO how can they do this for 'dreamers'?

Dreamers are not eligible for welfare.

Strange, when many are still getting it.

If no amnesty at least for the ones enrolled in the DACA program (again, not talking about any and all illegal immigrants), then what?

SEnd them home, let them come back in LEGALLY and apply for citizenship the proper way.

If we let them stay, what the hell is the point in bothering to have an ICE or Border patrol??

1 is too low imo. My point is anyone willing to serve this Country deserves to then be a legal citizen.

We also can’t keep doing amnesty as someone pointed out so military service can be offered instead of deportation. It’s a job, you get benefits, and you literally have skin in the game.

Agreed. Just like i saw, during my 20 years in, PLENTY joining just to milk the TA and Gi bill, and as soon as they got their degree/certificaion(s), they got out.. Make it 8 years (so they've re-enlisted at least once), and i might be good with it.

Out of curiosity would you be in favor of citizenship for the Afghan/Iraqi translators who worked with U.S troops being offered citizenship?

Some of them end up with a target on themselves and their families for working with U.S forces.

Yes i am. And i DO think its piffy that many still have not been allowed to come into the US, even after loyally serving the troops for a few years..



Now onto another issue.. Who here sees THIS as racism??

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...land-seizure-anc-race-relations-a8234461.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5443599/White-South-African-farmers-removed-land.html

 

[Sithborg]

You will pardon me if I question your sources on "dreamers" causing crimes.

As for South Africa, due to the conditions of apartheid, I am not exactly sure that the actions are wrong.

 

[Schlosser85]

Dreamers have been here since they're babies, Mexico is not "home" to them any more than it is to you.