Discussion: Racism - Part 4

[Ouch]

The police and the courts being used by municipal governments to shakedown and stealth tax their citizens is another issue. Local governments trying to balance the books and cover shortfalls by criminalizing people for minor infractions.

Atlanta Suburb Brags About Fines for Chipped Paint and Incorrectly Stacked Wood

These shakedowns often come down on minorities and the poor who can't afford to fight the charges in court.

Which gets them in the jail system. Which is the intention.

America is an apartheid state.

 

[Aximili86]

Mandela & Co would pretty much disagree. Let's have a little perspective, eh?

 

[Schlosser85]

Which gets them in the jail system. Which is the intention.

America is an apartheid state.

Can you refrain from the hyperbole? You do yourself absolutely no favors at all when you post stuff like this.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The USA is not an apartheid state. The issue is it still suffers from the ramification of basically being one in the past.

 

[hellified]

It was only listed with the other items they took from his apartment as evidence. Were the police supposed to not report it, or leave it for his family? Lol His lawyer is pushing the smear campaign narrative.

it IS a smear campaign..please tell me whats the point of publicizing the personal affects of the victim? And why not post the contents of the perps apartment or whatever bag she was carrying the night of the shooting?? What does pot possession have to do with him getting killed in his own apt minding his own business??

I"ll wait....

 

[Donner]

A teen missed the school bus. When he knocked on a door for directions, a man shot at him.

Just another "victim" taking his rage out on innocent people.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

it IS a smear campaign..please tell me whats the point of publicizing the personal affects of the victim? And why not post the contents of the perps apartment or whatever bag she was carrying the night of the shooting?? What does pot possession have to do with him getting killed in his own apt minding his own business??

I"ll wait....

Because as we all know, being on weed makes all black men in America into violent criminals, that one must, in self-defense, shoot on sight, unless one wants to be murdered by them. I bet you she could smell his weed from downstairs and just knew how much of a threat he was to the community. Why she so bravely went to his door.

 

[Holiday]

it IS a smear campaign..please tell me whats the point of publicizing the personal affects of the victim? And why not post the contents of the perps apartment or whatever bag she was carrying the night of the shooting?? What does pot possession have to do with him getting killed in his own apt minding his own business??

I"ll wait....

Debate swirls over the search of Botham Jean's apartment

The attorneys have questioned why police would have including searching for “narcotics” in the affidavit seeking to search the Jean’s apartment.

Legal experts say there are valid reasons investigators would have done so.

“When you’re conducting an investigation, the whole point is you’re trying to figure out what happened. You don’t know what’s important,” said Chris Mulder, a Dallas attorney. “You get the warrant out of an abundance of caution and you list in the warrant anything that could possibly be relevant … so that nobody can complain about it later. It’s just good police work.”

Mulder and other legal experts say investigators would not want to risk evidence being thrown out because they did not include it in the search warrant. Legal experts pointed out that if police had not included narcotics in the search warrant and drugs had been found, for instance, in Guyger’s belongings left in Jean’s apartment, then that evidence would have been inadmissible in court.

“You go ahead and put it in there just in case you find it,” Mulder said.

He also says they may have included “narcotics” in the search warrant because someone may have already seen it out in the open in the apartment.

“I’m sure everybody saw it when they went in there to treat the man who had been shot,” Mulder said. “It’s in plain view. They’ve got to collect it."

The attorney and Jean’s family also were upset that the news that marijuana was found became public on the same day that his funeral was being held.

“The fact that, moments after this funeral, we’re now addressing questions like this tells you the issues that we have with police officers,” attorney Daryl Washington said. “And quite frankly, the fact that they released this information shows that police officers are known for covering for each other.”

However, the timing could have been coincidental. Thursday marked the deadline for the search warrant return – the list of items taken from the apartment – to be taken back to court. WFAA obtained its copy of the return from the court.

Among the items taken in the search were two bullet casings, a police backpack, Guyger’s ballistic vest and two used packages of medical aid.

A search of a crime scene is standard procedure. In cases where a person cannot voluntarily give consent for a search, investigators routinely obtain search warrants. Otherwise, investigators would risk that the evidence that was obtained would later be thrown out by a judge.

A consensual search was conducted on Guyger’s apartment in the hours after the shooting, according to information WFAA obtained from a source close to the investigation that was later confirmed by Merritt.

It is unclear if police took anything during that search. The source said he was unsure if anything was taken because investigators did not provide an inventory.

Lawyers on Friday also accused Dallas police of “preferential treatment” toward Guyger and alleged officers were leaking information to the media.

Search warrants, it should be noted, are court documents and thus are public record. Consensual searches are not public record because they aren’t accompanied by any corresponding court documents.

"And why not post the contents of the perps apartment or whatever bag she was carrying the night of the shooting??"

When Dallas Police turned in the results of the search warrant it included the shell casings from Guyver's gun, her backpack, her vest, two packs of medical aid, the small amount of weed and grinder all in the same report.

The lawyer for the victims family, Lee Merritt, will claim that was a smear against Botham but of course he would. His job is make the police look horrible and to get as large of a settlement out of them for Botham's family (and himself) as he can. He is obviously biased and wouldn't be any good if he wasn't. Also worth noting he is the same lawyer from this wonderful story; After Trooper Falsely Accused Of Rape, Officer With Same Name Gets Death Threats

Merritt apologized Wednesday for his role in elevating the false claim, writing, “It is deeply troubling when innocent parties are falsely accused and I am truly sorry for any trouble these claims may have caused… I take full responsibility for amplifying these claims to the point of national concern.”

Respond with some facts. I'll wait...

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Debate swirls over the search of Botham Jean's apartment



"And why not post the contents of the perps apartment or whatever bag she was carrying the night of the shooting??"

When Dallas Police turned in the results of the search warrant it included the shell casings from Guyver's gun, her backpack, her vest, two packs of medical aid, the small amount of weed and grinder all in the same report.

The lawyer for the victims family, Lee Merritt, will claim that was a smear against Botham but of course he would. His job is make the police look horrible and to get as large of a settlement out of them for Botham's family (and himself) as he can. He is obviously biased and wouldn't be any good if he wasn't. Also worth noting he is the same lawyer from this wonderful story; After Trooper Falsely Accused Of Rape, Officer With Same Name Gets Death Threats



Respond with some facts. I'll wait...

Uh... You kind of totally missed the mark. I think a reasonable person would simply say... "What is the point of revealing that the man who was shot in his own apartment by a police officer who had no business being there had weed?" What's the point? How is the fact that he had weed there germane to the case? Tell me? I would say anyone without their head up their ash would say it's cuz the PD wants to smear the person who was murdered in their own home for no good reason.

 

[hellified]

Debate swirls over the search of Botham Jean's apartment



"And why not post the contents of the perps apartment or whatever bag she was carrying the night of the shooting??"

When Dallas Police turned in the results of the search warrant it included the shell casings from Guyver's gun, her backpack, her vest, two packs of medical aid, the small amount of weed and grinder all in the same report.

The lawyer for the victims family, Lee Merritt, will claim that was a smear against Botham but of course he would. His job is make the police look horrible and to get as large of a settlement out of them for Botham's family (and himself) as he can. He is obviously biased and wouldn't be any good if he wasn't. Also worth noting he is the same lawyer from this wonderful story; After Trooper Falsely Accused Of Rape, Officer With Same Name Gets Death Threats



Respond with some facts. I'll wait...

1. the issue ISN'T that the police got a warrant to search the victims apartment...the issue is that they PUBLISHED it. THAT'S THE ISSUE. She was wrong that's not in dispute or at least SHOULDN'T be...bad place even YOU agree to that FACT. With that being the case that mans private life and belongings should have remained PRIVATE..not for public knowledge because its irrelevant for the public to know what in his dresser draws or under his mattress. If they didn't find heads in his refrigerator or kiddie porn then its not necessary for the public to know what he smoked.

Debate swirls over the search of Botham Jean's apartment



"And why not post the contents of the perps apartment or whatever bag she was carrying the night of the shooting??"

When Dallas Police turned in the results of the search warrant it included the shell casings from Guyver's gun, her backpack, her vest, two packs of medical aid, the small amount of weed and grinder all in the same report.

The lawyer for the victims family, Lee Merritt, will claim that was a smear against Botham but of course he would. His job is make the police look horrible and to get as large of a settlement out of them for Botham's family (and himself) as he can. He is obviously biased and wouldn't be any good if he wasn't. Also worth noting he is the same lawyer from this wonderful story; After Trooper Falsely Accused Of Rape, Officer With Same Name Gets Death Threats



Respond with some facts. I'll wait...

Uh... You kind of totally missed the mark. I think a reasonable person would simply say... "What is the point of revealing that the man who was shot in his own apartment by a police officer who had no business being there had weed?" What's the point? How is the fact that he had weed there germane to the case? Tell me? I would say anyone without their head up their ash would say it's cuz the PD wants to smear the person who was murdered in their own home for no good reason.

according to the article he posted..the search warrant was public access info since it was a court order and the news station in that city published it outside of the police (supposedly..but it wouldn't hurt the Blue Brotherhood if the victim is a little dirty).. BUT I would say that WHOEVER (media included) decided to publish that info exercised poor judgement since

A. its not relevant to the circumstances of the shooting

B. the personal affects of the shooter isn't revealed (because it was consensual therefore no court order attached) so there's an inherent imbalance in public perception of both involved.

 

[Holiday]

Uh... You kind of totally missed the mark. I think a reasonable person would simply say... "What is the point of revealing that the man who was shot in his own apartment by a police officer who had no business being there had weed?" What's the point? How is the fact that he had weed there germane to the case? Tell me? I would say anyone without their head up their ash would say it's cuz the PD wants to smear the person who was murdered in their own home for no good reason.

Reasonable people read past headlines that are based on the statements of a biased lawyer.

The marijuana was on the kitchen counter so it would've been seen without having to dig around the apartment. Police are there to investigate a crime, so an illegal substance sitting on the counter would be noted. At that point, they don't know if it is relevant or not. The get a search warrant, collect evidence (including Guyvers items) and then report what was found. It isnt hard to understand. What you're actually suggesting is that the police should have left the weed off of their evidence report. That is stupid.

Worth pointing out that without a search warrant for narcotics, any drugs Guyver may have had on her could not have been collected as evidence.

 

[Teelie]

Pretty sure the guy could have had a meth lab in his apartment and it wouldn't be relevant to a cop shooting him without provocation or warning in his own home. Especially since it was the wrong door to begin with.

 

[Holiday]

1. the issue ISN'T that the police got a warrant to search the victims apartment...the issue is that they PUBLISHED it. THAT'S THE ISSUE. She was wrong that's not in dispute or at least SHOULDN'T be...bad place even YOU agree to that FACT. With that being the case that mans private life and belongings should have remained PRIVATE..not for public knowledge because its irrelevant for the public to know what in his dresser draws or under his mattress. If they didn't find heads in his refrigerator or kiddie porn then its not necessary for the public to know what he smoked.



according to the article he posted..the search warrant was public access info since it was a court order and the news station in that city published it outside of the police (supposedly..but it wouldn't hurt the Blue Brotherhood if the victim is a little dirty).. BUT I would say that WHOEVER (media included) decided to publish that info exercised poor judgement since

A. its not relevant to the circumstances of the shooting

B. the personal affects of the shooter isn't revealed (because it was consensual therefore no court order attached) so there's an inherent imbalance in public perception of both involved.

The results of the search are a matter of public record, you say as much in the second part of your post. Whatever was found in the apartment was going to become public knowledge. For it not to, the police would to have left it off the search warrant results. A defense attorney for Guyver would love to have found that out.

It's funny that people are upset about police transparency.

 

[Holiday]

Pretty sure the guy could have had a meth lab in his apartment and it wouldn't be relevant to a cop shooting him without provocation or warning in his own home. Especially since it was the wrong door to begin with.

Of course it wouldn't be relevant, but no one is arguing that it is.

 

[Teelie]

Even though you literally bolded "At that point, they don't know if it is relevant or not"?

 

[Holiday]

Even though you literally bolded "At that point, they don't know if it is relevant or not"?

AT THAT POINT. Police walk into a crime scene, notice weed laying around, maybe its relevant to what happened, maybe not. We know now, at this point in time, it had nothing to do with the shooting.

 

[hellified]

The results of the search are a matter of public record, you say as much in the second part of your post. Whatever was found in the apartment was going to become public knowledge. For it not to, the police would to have left it off the search warrant results. A defense attorney for Guyver would love to have found that out.

It's funny that people are upset about police transparency.

but its not police transparency that's just procedure..transparency would be divulging whats in the assailants sock drawers and under her mattress as well. Lets see what BOTH parties have in their closets if transparency is the case.

 

[Ouch]

Can you refrain from the hyperbole? You do yourself absolutely no favors at all when you post stuff like this.

Not really when you think about it.

 

[Sithborg]

Black Vermont lawmaker Kiah Morris resigns following threats

 

[Hypestyle]

A teen missed the school bus. When he knocked on a door for directions, a man shot at him.

Just another "victim" taking his rage out on innocent people.

I hope that the teen in this case gets the counseling he needs, and is allowed to grow up without further incident. Even with the conviction of this man, I suspect the teen will remain under scrutiny in that community. don't let him get caught breaking curfew... :/

 

[Teelie]

Teens in general get a bad rap. Black male teens in particular get it the worst. We were all (and some I assume here are still) teenagers at one point but people seem to forget they weren't all terrible human beings.

 

[chaseter]

Gay Latino Trump voter calls cops on black lyft driver:
Trump supporter calls 911 on black Lyft driver for not turning on the radio

 

[Pink Ranger]

Gay Latino Trump voter calls cops on black lyft driver:
Trump supporter calls 911 on black Lyft driver for not turning on the radio

This one's on you, Krypton.

On a related note, I wonder if it would be simpler at this point for 911 to have a separate line just for white women to report on African Americans who are caught doing things that are not illegal but still threatening for some reason. It would save a lot of time.

 

[Teelie]

With Golfcart Gail today I think you might be onto something.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Some good reading on the subject:

Why It Matters That A White Woman Called The Police To Starbucks | HuffPost

The Word Of A White Woman Can Still Get Black People Killed | HuffPost

How white women use strategic tears to silence women of colour | Ruby Hamad

Why White Women Keep Calling the Cops on Black People – Rolling Stone