Discussion: Racism - Part 4

So, looking at the data, I am confused why California keeps coming up, or how this was hard to find.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...a-according-to-google/?utm_term=.65ec0d4cc8bf

Now lets look at how New York voted in the election by district:

https://www.politico.com/mapdata-2016/2016-election/results/map/president/

https://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president/new-york/

 

What is my outlandish claim?

Your tactic of insulting and not actually discussing is apparent.

 

Really? The top 10 States that searched the word “I hate n*****”, is evenly split 50/50 from Blue and Red States(this is where you came in acting like you knew what you’re talking about). Then, when that was brought to light, you said, “only States that voted for Trump search for racist things. Simple”. I revert back to the split, where you then say even the Blue States don’t count, cause there’s still Trump voters in Blue States. So pointing out the obvious fallacy in the logic, is circumvented with, “well, you’re still wrong because”. It’s like you’re proving my point without realizing. And if you did, I’m sure you would doable down once again.

I’m not even saying I’m 100% right, or that I have “all the answers”, I’m just trying to have an honest conversation. If I point out a flaw, I’m trying to figure things out in real time. Both of you are disregarding anything, and acting like even the flaws in the logic are wrong, because reasons. Again, this isn’t an honest conversation, it’s one sided, and it feels cult like. It’s bizarre how you two are acting. There’s no room for anything. It’s very bianary. “You’re either with us, or you’re not”.

Yeah, that’s not my style. So if you wanna tow the line of “only Trump voters search for racist things online, while everyone else are innocent angels”(with no evidence, mind you), go for it. It’s a little funny how you’re railing against hatred and bigotry, though. It’s like 10,000 spoons when all you need is a knife.

 

Except this never happened. This was my first post on the subject. Go back to the last page to refresh your memory.

When you write that I said, “only States that voted for Trump search for racist things. Simple”, where did I exactly say that? And if I didn't say that, why did you make it up that I said that? I even went out of the way to point out most often searched. Not only searched.

This was before I saw the maps, that bared out the obvious flaw in your logic. The areas in which it was searched the most was Trump country. You are trying to avoid that point. Even if not the states, the concentration of the searches are in states and counties that voted for Trump. Do you deny this?

So, what does the data say?

Want to keep making things up, especially as you put them in quotation marks. Also, did you miss the post at the top of the page? There is actual evidence of where the searches for the N word come from. And it just happens to be in areas with higher morality for black Americans.

No one claimed everyone else was angels. You are setting up the idea that it is binary, while complaining others are complaining a binary response. That does not change this fact.

https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/12/15/16781222/trump-racism-economic-anxiety-study

So you want to have an honest conversation, lets have one. Trump and the Republicans have built their platform on racism and sexism. Does that erase racism in the Democratic party? Racism by non-white people in America? Nope. I always say, racism can be done by anyone. But what is completely avoiding the point is trying to place a much lower level of racism on the same level as what we see with Trump and his people. Each individual case matters, but what is clear is how much more racist Trump and his people are. That the Republican Party is now. They literally vote based on it.

And yep, you spend a lot of time insult others, instead of actually discussing anything. You have done it multiple times here.

 

Holy s**t, you just doubled down once again. It’s like I’m prophetic.

(Is this me ”insulting” you?????)

Nothing you’re saying is moving the conversation, it’s just you showcasing your hatred/bigotry for Trump voters(which thats fine if you’re bigoted towards them. I’ve never voted Republican, so whatever). That’s about it. All of your nonsense of “real talk” would take an even more immense amount of discussion than the easy one we’re having now, and you’re obviously in your camp(which is conveniently still so far past where this discussion was).

And if you’re so offended by what you consider “insults”, then report it. I don’t think it’s that, at all. It’s pretty much an accurate depiction of how off the rails you get. I mean, look we’re at right now, as it shouldnt even come close to this. (Is that me insulting you????????????????????????????????????)

 

You are setting up a false narrative to avoid talking about the actual information and facts provided. You are complaining and insulting me, while avoiding the actual subject and information being provided. You also called me a bigot.

You avoided talking about the fake quotes you made up to attribute to me. Why? Why do you avoid what is actually being discussed to make up stuff about another poster and insult them?

So again, would you like to actually discuss the numbers, or do you want to keep on avoiding them, because they don't fit your narrative?

 

My original point is that the US is still very racist. I'm not sure how you refuted that because you didn't. You were just arguing semantics.

 

Which is rather apparent, unless one is trying to avoid it:

https://www.vox.com/conversations/2...oogle-racism-social-media-seth-everybody-lies

And it is always strange when this argument comes up with the reaction to both Obama and Trump.

 

lol, I’ve done nothing but talked about the facts/numbers. This is EXACTLY what I’m talking about with you. We went from talking about Google search’s based on vote patterns per State, to you trying to spin it that the patterns aren’t exactly true(but are when it suits you), because even the States that vote against Trump, have Trump voters, therefore, “Trump voters are all racist”. Me explaining it out loud is hilarious, but you’re sitting there acting like you havnt been doing any of these crazy things. Again, it’s bizarre.

I can’t keep up with this lunacy. Come back to me when you can go from A-B-C. Youre going from A-to-every-Trump-voters-is-racist-without-facts.

I didn’t refute anything, cause it’s obvious. My point was never “the US isn’t racist”. That’s your erroneous assumption, which is completely false. I even said, that all these stats don’t show a pattern, they just show that people in the US Google search racist s***t.

What YOUR original point was, was to say it’s only States who voted for Trump who are the most racist. I just pointed flaws in that, by showcasing the very tools to which you assumed were correct without fact checking. That’s it. Pretty easy to follow, but alas, here we are.

Both of you seem to assume that just because I’m pointing flaws in your assumptions, that I’m “on the other side”.

 

Show a post that said Trump voters are all racist. Show it. Come on. You are making up an argument no one made, to try and make others look crazy, when you are the one making up an arugment.

What you want to avoid is the actual data, that breakdowns the "heat map" for a lack of a better term, that breaks down areas of states. Which you are avoiding. Because when compared to the district maps that voted for Trump, they match up.

Again, would you like to show when anyone said that?

And if it is the idea that the Republican party and Trump voters on average are most racist, the facts bare it out. It shows there are more racist with Trump and the Republicans. Its an actual fact.

Why do people Google search racist thing? Would you like to refute the work being posted, or do you want to continue to avoid that? Seth Stephens-Davidowitz lays it out pretty simply.

How many of the states with the abundance of higher activity voted for Trump? How many of the districts?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...a-according-to-google/?utm_term=.baf86710963e

No, it is the making up of arguments, making up quotes from other posters and calling other posters bigots that made it obvious you have no actual argument.

And I ask again, why did you make up quotes and attribute them to me?

 

Travesty, man. Props on bringing some sanity around here.

 

Dude, are you being serious right now? I seriously don't know what is being lost with you? But again, I know who I'm talking to. This all started, over the assumption that the States that voted for Trump, are Googling racist stuff. That's it. Ok, I'll say I was in the wrong for erroneously paraphrasing "all" instead of "most"(like that changes anything). Sure, you didn't say, "all Trump voter are racist", but you have said "most Trump voter are". Now what? I mean, you're mainly hung up on me saying "all", while you wildly keep saying "most" or "abundance". Yeah, my bad, now I'll just say, "you're mainly saying that majority of people in Red States......". Better? I don't see how anything has changed, but I'll shift to your vernacular since you're adamant about it. Still doesn't change anything. Moving on.....

lol, I'm not avoiding anything, I'm laughing at your silly attempts to try and say that this is all perpetuated by Trump voters. One second you whine about, "I NEVER SAID ALL TRUMP VOTERS", to then tying to "break things down" to try an prove it's mainly Trump voters. And me pointing it out is the funny part, yet, you're not catching on. Hell, me trying to show you this, is apparently "insults".

Holy ****, you're defensive, acting like you "never made these claims", to then making the claims bluntly within a few sentences.

-"whoa, whoa, WHOA!!!!!! I NEVER said all Trump voters are racist......but hey, the facts bare out that they mainly are."

(Trigger alert: I just paraphrased you!)

And I'm sure you'll act like this is me "insulting" you. Or, like normal, you wont understand what it is you actually said.

I thought I explained this? Electra said something absurd, which he/she denied(even though they clearly said it just a few posts above), and I looked into the claims. That's it. Pretty simple. I thought I already explained this? But even an easy explanation is hard to comprehend, apparently. So in other words, I never refuted the claims that the US is racist. I refuted the claims that only(oh sorry, "mainly") Trump supporters are doing these searches online. Is it that hard to understand? Probably.

Again, I can't keep up with your nonsense. Are you now saying that Trump voters are more racist, or not? Just a second ago, you got all defensive for me paraphrasing, now you're trying to send links that I can't read(I'm not a sub to the Wash Post), that are trying to sell me on the fact that the States, are in fact, more racist. I can't keep up with you. If I could read the article, maybe I could see what is said, and maybe fact check(something I like to do)

lol, I paraphrased you, and you act like it's the end of the world, and harping on it, like it's your "gotcha" moment. You're still trying to sell me on the fact that States who voted for Trump are more racist(oh, but not "all Trump voters are racist", just most. I can't let this slip from here on out), and I've showed you evidence that goes contrary to those claims, yet, you're still hung up on me paraphrasing, when the points still stand? Nothing has changed on my end. I just see more deflection on yours.

Hell, even when I'm explicit, you still act like this. Why should I change with you? You're wayyyyyyyyy too stubborn.

 

I don't think it's much of a stretch to assume that Trump voters are probably more racist overall.

 

Read the post:

What it says is when such awful racist things are searched, they are most often searched in states that voted for Trump. The only state on the list that doesn't apply to is New York, and that is because where it is listed, is upstate New York, where people voted for Trump. At no point did I call any or most racist. Just that when that stuff is searched for, it is done so in Trump country. Which is factual. The facts bare that out.

You want to ignore this. Why? Because that proves the obvious point. A large part of Trump voters are racist. And if they aren't racist, they voted for a known racist. Because Trump is racist, and it is well documented. The reason you use hyperbole and say stuff like, "are you serious" is you are avoiding it. Which is why are you a "paraphrasing", which is actually making up BS, because you have nothing. It is exactly why you are playing the absolute game.

Let's see if you will actually answer something. What have I written here, that is factually wrong. What?

No one said it was perpetuated by only Trump voters except you. Because you have no argument outside of the stuff you are making up. This is my post, again:

Where does this exclude any other racism?

The facts bare out plenty of Trump voters are racist. Every single Trump voter voted for a known racist. Does that make them racist? Nope. But it sure as hell makes them willing to vote for a known racist. So is that better or worse?

And what you want to avoid is very simple. In areas that voted for Trump, the number of searches spike. More then "normal". It shows it on the map. What about that is hard to understand?

You can read a certain amount of articles a month for free. You can definitely read Vox for free. I suggest reading them on the actual sites. Plenty of links:

https://www.vox.com/conversations/2...oogle-racism-social-media-seth-everybody-lies

https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/12/15/16781222/trump-racism-economic-anxiety-study

https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/1/4/14160956/trump-racism-sexism-economy-study

What exactly is your argument? That a large contingent of Trump voters aren't racist? We know they are. The research bears it out. His rallies bear it out. The polls bear it out.

 

If you're specifically referring to the type of people who turn up at Trump rallies, sure, I'd be in agreement on that. There's clearly a segment of that demo who're part of this whole white-male-pride crap.

Thing is, that's not who got him elected. The rally types are the small, vocal hardcore, and they're not remotely the only people who ended up voting for the guy. Once you start down the "Trump voters are racist" line, you're pretty much asserting a majority of like...****ing Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, voted on racial grounds. Middle America states that can go either way in any election, many of which went Obama last time, and this time went Trump.

That's just absolutely ****ing insane as a view to hold.

 

I wouldn't say the majority of those voters are racist, though we can probably agree that an overwhelming majority of folks that self identity as racist voted for Trump. What Trump ran on can best be described as a campaign for White Supremacy rather than out and out hatred for people of other races and ethnicities. The belief that America was better way back when, immigrants from "certain" countries are causing our (and Europe's!) downfall, putting alt right leaders in the White House, blaming the "other" for our economic problems. That's White Supremacy, and it was Trump's call to arms in the campaign and beyond. Support for White Supremacy ABSOLUTELY got him elected.

 

Yeah I don't buy that "all Trump voters are racist" bs. I know a lot of hispanic and black people that love him. I just think the squeaky wheel gets the oil.

 

White supremacy is a racist concept.

Not sure what one has to do with the other. All Trump voters aren't racist? Okay. But a person can be black or Hispanic and still be racist.

 

Case in point, the black woman who bashed the old Mexican man's head in with a brick.

 

It is, but I think White Supremacy is a better word for what Trump is peddling. Many Trump deplorables would say "I don't care if your white, brown, yellow or purple" if you question their racist attitudes, get along great with the black lady who lives down the block and actually voted for a Chinese guy for City Council. Clearly not racist!

But while they may not loathe individuals of different races and ethnicities, they do support keeping out immigrants (Specially the southern ones!), want to maintain Confederate Statues (Patriots!), and long for the "Good Old Days" when their neighborhood wasn't so "urban". White Supremacy is clearly the goal of these not-at-all racist Trump supporters.

 

You know what I mean. The narrative being pushed that all blacks and Latinos hate Trump. That simply isn't true. I know tons of them who voted for him and even plan to vote for him again but don't talk about it because of the backlash they may get because of the climate we live in.

 

A quote from "Everybody Lies:"

"Nate Silver found that the single factor that best correlated with Donald Trump's support in the Republican primaries was that measure I had discovered four years earlier. Areas that supported Trump in the largest numbers were those that made the most Google searches for n*****."

Remember, Google keeps stats on IP addresses. Meaning they can pinpoint exactly where searches are made. They can say that certain areas in a state or even a city search for specific things because they can see the address of the person searching it.

It's hilarious that people are still trying to defend Trump supporters, saying they're not all racist. Sure, not all. But most.

 

This I can agree with.

 

Not all necessarily racist, but morally apathetic.

 

That is the thing. Even if one of his voters isn't racist, sexist or in general a bigot, they are more then willing to find a way to justify voting for a person who clearly is. And that so many considering themselves Christians, makes the hypocrisy so much more apparent. How they tie themselves in knots to make it not a judgment on their own morality, while they stand in moral judgment of others, trying to take their rights away in many cases.