Discussion: The Iraq War

Discussion in 'Politics' started by sinewave, Apr 13, 2006.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Cho Chang Registered

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2003
    Messages:
    593
    Likes Received:
    0
    You didn't give me a point to address and how am I supposed to be expected to know the zip code even if you did?
     
  2. Cho Chang Registered

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2003
    Messages:
    593
    Likes Received:
    0
    I love that song.
     
  3. Admiral_N8 I Look Like THOR

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2005
    Messages:
    1,796
    Likes Received:
    0
    No, you could also be a homophobe. Just curious how thats the first thing that popped into your mind.

    Of course I dont think you are either, its just funny :)
     
  4. JLBats The boney king of nowhere

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2004
    Messages:
    21,952
    Likes Received:
    0
    Well, you know what homophobia really says about you, right?:)
     
  5. Carter Registered

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2005
    Messages:
    13,805
    Likes Received:
    0
    Make sure to use all your well learned politess
     
  6. Admiral_N8 I Look Like THOR

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2005
    Messages:
    1,796
    Likes Received:
    0
    So do you think all the bombings we did in Germany and Europe was also terrorism?

    And the plan was not to kill " a lot of innocent people". IT was to destroy a lot of buildings. If the plan was to kill innocents, it was a sloppy idea....because our firebombs were a lot more effective at doing that.

    We wanted to show we could destory entire military complexes and armies with one bomb.
     
  7. Carter Registered

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2005
    Messages:
    13,805
    Likes Received:
    0
    If part of the plan is killing innocent people then it's wrong.
    Unintentional collateral damage is different.

    What is so hard for everyone to understand?
     
  8. Admiral_N8 I Look Like THOR

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2005
    Messages:
    1,796
    Likes Received:
    0
    I said World Trade Centers...never mentioned the Pentagon. Dont put words into my mouth plz. The Pentagon is a military target, however when your weapon is a tube full of innocent civilians it really doesnt matter WHAT you target. :( I am sure you would agree with me on that.

    We wanted to show off the new bomb? ok, and we wanted to end a 6 year long war that killed more than any other war ever without losing our own people too.
     
  9. ShadowBoxing Registered

    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2004
    Messages:
    30,643
    Likes Received:
    0
    Its a wee bit different when you drop a bomb which you know will wipe out every living and standing structure within a three kilometer radius and causing damages for another 2.5 kilometers...with fatal radiation exposure for another 500 meters.
     
  10. Admiral_N8 I Look Like THOR

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2005
    Messages:
    1,796
    Likes Received:
    0
    You asked a question, then got upset at me answering...thats all you did.
     
  11. Admiral_N8 I Look Like THOR

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2005
    Messages:
    1,796
    Likes Received:
    0
    How? We saved our own lives, as well as theirs if we had to invade them.

    We killed 100,000 in 2 hours of bombings of Tokyo.

    So IF You care about the innocents, you would prefer a QUICK end, not us bombing them to hell to break their back so we can invade.

    People just get upset about these civillians dyins simply because it was from one single bomb. you NEVER hear about the other people dying [who were more numerous] from our other bombs.
     
  12. ShadowBoxing Registered

    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2004
    Messages:
    30,643
    Likes Received:
    0
    And I already explained how the WTC counts as a strategic target, it they wanted to committ simply civilian causualities without inflicted strategic damages they would have attacked the sears tower.

    I should also remind you that the 911 deaths amount to 2,985, while the atomic bomb deaths number 210,000

    I should also remind you that the documents held by the military that accounted for the civilian populations of that area (approx 400,000 by our best guess) were all burned after the bomb dropped.
     
  13. Carter Registered

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2005
    Messages:
    13,805
    Likes Received:
    0
    Are the principles of right and wrong really this hard to understand?

    Innocents killed on purpose - wrong
    Innocents killed accidentally - not wrong
     
  14. Admiral_N8 I Look Like THOR

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2005
    Messages:
    1,796
    Likes Received:
    0
    Part of the plan ALWAYS takes into account the loss of life that will happen. EVERY single large scale military strike has that. The plan wasnt to "kill as many Japanese", it was to destroy a huge area, to destory huge industrial and military capabilities in ONE strike.

    THAT was the plan.
     
  15. Carter Registered

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2005
    Messages:
    13,805
    Likes Received:
    0
    And the plan was morally wrong. Obviously.
     
  16. Admiral_N8 I Look Like THOR

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2005
    Messages:
    1,796
    Likes Received:
    0
    How is that different then using 100 bombers to do even MORE damage? As in Tokyo and bombing in Europe?

    You people get all upset about the A-Bomb, yet seem to think it was worse then what was done elsewhere?

    The moral outrage of the A-Bomb, while silent on everything else that KILLED MORE PEOPLE, is just silly.

    The outrage just stems from "it was one bomb", yet we did MORE damage killed MORE people with multiple bombs and people dont mind....curious ey
     
  17. ShadowBoxing Registered

    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2004
    Messages:
    30,643
    Likes Received:
    0
    Only 100,000 died in the Tokyo attack....210,000 died in Hiroshima/Nagasaki...get your facts straight.
     
  18. Admiral_N8 I Look Like THOR

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2005
    Messages:
    1,796
    Likes Received:
    0
    Notice how I said "ONE BOMB" not "TWO BOMBS" Read my post first.

    70–80,000 people died from 1st bomb [also notice how i said in ONE day, at the time, not taking into account anything after the war]

    40,000 were killed that day from the 2nd bomb.

    So in ONE day we killed MORE people then any atomic bomb. Yet there is this huge outrage only about the Abomb? Its ridiculous.
     
  19. Cho Chang Registered

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2003
    Messages:
    593
    Likes Received:
    0
    Can we get back to the embassy thing being ridiculous?
     
  20. Cho Chang Registered

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2003
    Messages:
    593
    Likes Received:
    0
    I, for one, think it's ridiculous.
     
  21. Carter Registered

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2005
    Messages:
    13,805
    Likes Received:
    0
    That's the issue that sticks out the most, nobody said those other bombings were moral
     
  22. Admiral_N8 I Look Like THOR

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2005
    Messages:
    1,796
    Likes Received:
    0
    How were we supposed to end the war "morally"? I am sure the answer will be some form of "give peace a chance" or something.


    It would have been MORE immoral to invade, bomb the hell out of their cities, and have thousands US soldiers die [tell their mothers "they had to die because it would have been immoral to drop 2 big bombs on them...even though it killed less then our normal weekly bombings on mainland Japan]

    So, whats YOUR moral plan?
    Anything you do in war is "immoral", but if you dont live in a fluffy dreamworld you have to do "immoral" things to stop people like Hitler.
     
  23. ShadowBoxing Registered

    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2004
    Messages:
    30,643
    Likes Received:
    0
    Oh I gotcha...so as long as they don't died until a few weeks later we can wash our hands of those deaths....and if you want a better answer you should refer to my post where the army burned the papers which estimated the first bombs population around 400,000...that 140,000 deaths is our best estimate.

    No one defended the other bombings either...perhaps you should read our posts.
     
  24. Carter Registered

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2005
    Messages:
    13,805
    Likes Received:
    0
    I don't have a moral plan. That doesn't make it right.
     
  25. Admiral_N8 I Look Like THOR

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2005
    Messages:
    1,796
    Likes Received:
    0
    Nobody said they were immoral though...nobody seems to care about the NUMBER of innocents killed, because we killed a lot more with regular bombs in one week then with the 2 "immoral bombs". They just are upset it happened with one big bomb. People seem to be perfectly okay with killing that many in Europe or Japan with lots of planes with lots of bombs [everyone thinks THATS ok but not the A Bomb?]

    ITs so hypicritical its insane.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice
monitoring_string = "afb8e5d7348ab9e99f73cba908f10802"