Discussion: The Progressive Movement

Where do progressives stand on infrastructure investment and building? The US’s infrastructure is going to bad place and is in need of a serious update which will take billions but if done traditionally will cause damage to the environment for sure. How does one update poor infrastructure while keeping as green as possible. It will be an interesting challenge faced by Biden and progressives

also Is it just me or is it time for Pelosi and Schumer to go?

Trump talked a big talk about infrastructure for four years and did absolutely nothing about it, so it’d be a good time for a Democratic administration to get cracking in a meaningful way. Assuming McConnell isn’t roadblocking absolutely everything Biden tries to do.
 
Where do progressives stand on infrastructure investment and building? The US’s infrastructure is going to bad place and is in need of a serious update which will take billions but if done traditionally will cause damage to the environment for sure. How does one update poor infrastructure while keeping as green as possible. It will be an interesting challenge faced by Biden and progressives

also Is it just me or is it time for Pelosi and Schumer to go?

That’s “trillions” to you pal :cwink: and wrt Pelosi and Schumer, it’s not just you.
 
Yeah, after spending four years hearing how "Infrastructure Week" was coming "any day now," that's a huge opportunity for Biden to make big moves that SHOULD garner bipartisan support. I say SHOULD because we can count on The Turtle to oppose literally anything, especially if it would directly benefit Americans, so that he can call Dems "ineffective" in 2022.
 
That’s “trillions” to you pal :cwink: and wrt Pelosi and Schumer, it’s not just you.
But like Rahm Emmanuel, Pelosi and Schumer shmooze billionaires for DNC donations.
 
The core issue that Progressives and many Americans agree with is a major overhaul on campaign finance laws and term limits to major political positions. We suffer because the elites and billionaires don't want any policy or laws that will hurt their profit margins. We saw that with the Koch Bros. and climate change, Verizon and Net Neutrality, and we saw it with Humana and Aetna with Medicare for All or a public option. In short, abolish PAC money and corporate lobbying and push for an individual donor system and add term limits to the Senate.
 
The core issue that Progressives and many Americans agree with is a major overhaul on campaign finance laws and term limits to major political positions. We suffer because the elites and billionaires don't want any policy or laws that will hurt their profit margins. We saw that with the Koch Bros. and climate change, Verizon and Net Neutrality, and we saw it with Humana and Aetna with Medicare for All or a public option. In short, abolish PAC money and corporate lobbying and push for an individual donor system and add term limits to the Senate.
But Lily, you can't do that! Corporations are people and it violates their freeze peach! :o
 
But like Rahm Emmanuel, Pelosi and Schumer shmooze billionaires for DNC donations.

The core issue that Progressives and many Americans agree with is a major overhaul on campaign finance laws and term limits to major political positions. We suffer because the elites and billionaires don't want any policy or laws that will hurt their profit margins. We saw that with the Koch Bros. and climate change, Verizon and Net Neutrality, and we saw it with Humana and Aetna with Medicare for All or a public option. In short, abolish PAC money and corporate lobbying and push for an individual donor system and add term limits to the Senate.

Yeah. Campaign finance reform is key. I'm not so sure about term limits. We have that in California and while I see the upside, there is also a pretty significant downside. As long as corporations are "people" with free speech rights, we're in trouble. Getting an amendment through is harder than getting an adequate infrastructure and Covid relief bill through a McConnell controlled senate.

Let me be frank, organized labor is losing to organized corporate America. When Scalia died, they were right on the verge of banning agency fees. This essentially means that unions are required to represent non-union employees, but that non-union employees don't have to pay for the expenses needed to represent them (Janus v AFSCME). That delayed it, but because of McConnell, the SCOTUS ruled on it in 2018.

Let me also point out what may be an unpopular opinion. The leadership of organized labor are not always the most progressive people in the room and the focus of their agenda is often much too narrow. There are those who blindly kowtow to the Democratic Party no matter what and are afraid to endorse more progressive candidates during primaries because they are afraid of pissing off the establishment of the democratic party. There are some unions where this isn't the case. In particular, my union CWA and another union our local considered affiliating with when we were an independent, IUE are relatively progressive (IUE was even more so at that time). In fact, they strongly supported the civil right movement and have generally been in the forefront when it comes to supporting progressive policy. Those to unions have since affiliated and the IUE is the manufacturing arm of CWA. I could go on about the visionary behind CWAs organizing, Larry Cohen, but I'm getting a little far afield as it is.

My point is that many, many unions are not friends of the working class and I'll just leave it at that. Because of all of the above, labor is at a distinct disadvantage and the only way I see out of this is building a progressive movement without the Dems losing complete control because labor isn't going to win overnight. A right wing 3rd party presents both opportunities and dangers. My concern is that the democratic establishment "could" see progressivism as the bigger threat and either join the right rather than the left or, at least, not fully join with progressives in a partnership.

We're in a very tricky situation.
 
People need to look at the Nixon era and the "hard hat riot" to understand a very key component of how the culture war stuff has been a roadblock for making common cause between the Unionized "working class" and the more politically active, often college educated and holding more radical positions (relatively speaking, JESUS forkING CHRIST DON'T JUMP DOWN MY THROAT.) of those making up the further down the Left of the spectrum types both then and... now.

Hard Hat Riot - Wikipedia
 
The core issue that Progressives and many Americans agree with is a major overhaul on campaign finance laws and term limits to major political positions. We suffer because the elites and billionaires don't want any policy or laws that will hurt their profit margins. We saw that with the Koch Bros. and climate change, Verizon and Net Neutrality, and we saw it with Humana and Aetna with Medicare for All or a public option. In short, abolish PAC money and corporate lobbying and push for an individual donor system and add term limits to the Senate.

I'd also add in Ranked Choice Voting to eliminate the "lesser of two evils" rhetoric that dissuades voters.
 
I'm sure I'm not the only one who's come up with this phrase, but:

Like Thomas Jefferson in the belief of a separation of Church and State, there should be a separation of Corporate Interests and Public Office.

Just food for thought.
 

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