Discussion: The UK Election Thread

[Dr Lee]

the pound plummeted & the only reason we aren't looking at another recession right now is because Cameron U-Turned and didn't activate article 50 in the hours after the result like he promised.

the trade deals we get with EU countries will NOT be in out favour, we will get screwed by them and I cannot see how we will be able to afford to pay for the farming subsidies lost or the fact we're not going to be part of the scientific EU community after we leave.

People want to think it's all good because it's okay right now... but what have we actually done? nothing. We're the bloke who's sat on the sofa promising to get up in a bit, but not moving a muscle.

EDIT- Leave refused to answer the questions about Brexit's impact on the economy & the effects on the every day person. they just continued to bleat their semi-racist lies and blatant untruths.

 

[Iceman]

Yeah, reality won't hit (be that good or bad) till we actually leave the EU. If the right deal isn't struck, the City of London will be devastated and a large chunk of the nation's tax revenues with it.

 

[Dr Lee]

I have no confidence that any deal we get will be good for us. in some way the EU will get the upper hand and we will suffer.

 

[Iceman]

The hard thing will be to get the financial passport without giving up the immigration reforms (which are a large part of why a big chunk of people voted Brexit!). There's no substitute for losing the financial passport. The investment banks have already made plans to move their HQs and thousands of staff each to other hot European locations and all the support institutions will also suffer.

 

[regwec]

Investment banks will be perfectly aware that FTTs and banking union are a far greater threat to their operations. Capital flight, meanwhile, occurs in anticipation of consequences, so the the immediate impact of withdrawal negotiations will be few. Regardless, Britain will remain the more attractive domicile for business as it remains outside the disastrous Euro.

You may be right to say that some of our rivals in Europe will use events to try to harm Britain even if it harms them too, but that is little reason to remain under their capricious authority.

 

[chamber-music]

The Conservatives will go into the 2020 election with a poll lead of around 15 percent and will win a majority of around 100 seats. Jeremy Corbyn will remain Labour leader after their defeat and, at last, the party will split.
/crystal ball]

I doubt Jeremy Corbyn would last that long.

If the Labour party is going to split then I think they should do it now and not waste time waiting until after the next election.

The hard thing will be to get the financial passport without giving up the immigration reforms (which are a large part of why a big chunk of people voted Brexit!). There's no substitute for losing the financial passport. The investment banks have already made plans to move their HQs and thousands of staff each to other hot European locations and all the support institutions will also suffer.

Did you see the BBC news yesterday?

They interviewed a bunch of over fifties in Stoke and they said they want the country to return to the past. They don't like any of the changes in the last few decades and blame immigration for everything.

They are the type of people that don't understand globalization, fear any sort of change and are unlikely to be happy even once we leave the EU because the country isn't going to magically return to the 20th century. The whole segment had me facepalming.

 

[Iceman]

Did you see the BBC news yesterday?

They interviewed a bunch of over fifties in Stoke and they said they want the country to return to the past. They don't like any of the changes in the last few decades and blame immigration for everything.

They are the type of people that don't understand globalization, fear any sort of change and are unlikely to be happy even once we leave the EU because the country isn't going to magically return to the 20th century. The whole segment had me facepalming.

I didn't but it seems to be quite a common thing unfortunately. Separately a friend who is a police officer told me that petty crime has gone up 10 times in his area since the vote. Not necessarily racist behaviour but general 'low level' antisocial crimes like joyriding and burnt out cars!

Investment banks will be perfectly aware that FTTs and banking union are a far greater threat to their operations. Capital flight, meanwhile, occurs in anticipation of consequences, so the the immediate impact of withdrawal negotiations will be few. Regardless, Britain will remain the more attractive domicile for business as it remains outside the disastrous Euro.

You may be right to say that some of our rivals in Europe will use events to try to harm Britain even if it harms them too, but that is little reason to remain under their capricious authority.

Yes the immediate impact is not too much outside of stringent contingency planning but those contingency plans in most cases are to move headquarters and tens of thousands of staff at each bank if the right deal isn't agreed. If the financial passport is lost no other issue can compare to the loss of the right for UK based IBs to sell their financial services to European institutions. All other disadvantages at least give you the choice of whether or not to continue trading. There are contingency plans for FTTs but the contingency plan for this is simply to move operations as fast as possible (and he who moves fastest will benefit most).

In that scenario I can't see how London could remain as the capital of finance on this side of the world. Even a halfway house scenario leading to an arrangement like the Swiss have would mean a lot of business that is undertaken in the City would have to just stop. And for any concession it would be very difficult to avoid serious compromises to plans to curb EU immigration. Of course there is the outside chance that they negotiate a deal which is good or at least acceptable on all fronts for the UK and for now I will just have to hope they come up with some kind of miracle that means what I do can still be done from London.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I have no confidence that any deal we get will be good for us. in some way the EU will get the upper hand and we will suffer.

Yeah, the EU is going to so screw you guys over on this one. The UK really has no leverage with this one.

 

[chamber-music]

If the Lib Dems had a decent leader they could probably be bouncing back as a alternative with Labour infighting and UKIP electing a new leader/finding a new identity

 

[Iceman]

I know hardly anything about Tim Farron.

 

[Dr Lee]

Farewell David Cameron... Misjudged the racist & idiotic aspects of the UK population & it cost him his PM-ship & his MP-Ship inside a few months.

And tomorrow the papers will be all about the fact the BBC spend too much on rubbish celebs instead of good TV shows...

 

[Iceman]

Farewell David Cameron... Misjudged the racist & idiotic aspects of the UK population & it cost him his PM-ship & his MP-Ship inside a few months.

Yep, big mistake!

And tomorrow the papers will be all about the fact the BBC spend too much on rubbish celebs instead of good TV shows...

Good. They do!

 

[hopeless]

Makes you wonder what we're paying the tv licence for when they aren't using it for what its supposed to be for!

You know if Cameron had not personally involved himself in the Remain campaign it might not have turned out the way it did.

Anyone talking about this Concentrix mess?

 

[Iceman]

Makes you wonder what we're paying the tv licence for when they aren't using it for what its supposed to be for!

You know if Cameron had not personally involved himself in the Remain campaign it might not have turned out the way it did.

Waste of money. We get hundreds of free channels nowadays, no need to pay 3 figures for just the BBC ones.

The whole process was a mess. And it was borne of overconfidence in the safety of a referendum without thinking about the consequences and plans of what to do in case the vote didn't go as expected. I'm sure he wanted to go partially just to be able to avoid having to deal with the fallout and having to find a way to fix the situation in a way that keeps everyone happy (or at least stops them rioting lol).

Anyone talking about this Concentrix mess?

I heard something briefly about it but didn't quite get what had happened.

 

[chamber-music]

Waste of money. We get hundreds of free channels nowadays, no need to pay 3 figures for just the BBC ones.

The Tv licence pays for more than just the three TV channels of BBC One, Two & Four

It also pays for the BBC national and local news. The national and regional radio stations. The BBC websites including BBC Three online. BBC Films and Documentaries.

Technically the BBC is supposed to create content that commercial broadcasters don't. Things other channels would find too niche or not ratings winners. The issue the BBC has is that it doesn't really do that enough.

 

[Iceman]

The Tv licence pays for more than just the three TV channels of BBC One, Two & Four

It also pays for the BBC national and local news. The national and regional radio stations. The BBC websites including BBC Three online. BBC Films and Documentaries.

Technically the BBC is supposed to create content that commercial broadcasters don't. Things other channels would find too niche or not ratings winners. The issue the BBC has is that it doesn't really do that enough.

Yes I knew about most of those (although wasn't thinking of local radio stations) and the idea behind the BBC but they really aren't delivering on a great deal beyond overpaying executives and presenters/performers at the moment lol. They need more stringent accountability for what they do with that significant license fee (not asking for them to be disbanded).

 

[Iceman]

Jeremy Corbyn wins re-election as Labour Party leader. (just under 62% of the vote)

 

[Dr Lee]

Jeremy Corbyn wins re-election as Labour Party leader. (just under 62% of the vote)

And secures the death of the Labour Party as the official opposition

 

[Iceman]

And secures the death of the Labour Party as the official opposition

Haha yep. The Tories can afford to **** about for a few years now. There won't be any consequences.

 

[chamber-music]

Tories can pretty much do what they want now. The SNP is pretty much the only effective left opposition now and they are limited to Scotland.

Lib Dems and Labour are in no mans land.

 

[Dr Lee]

It's crazy how the current political situation is...

 

[Iceman]

These poll ratings lol.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/a61c375a-b916-324c-ac77-486206a4a258/theresa-may's-popularity.html
Theresa May's popularity is surging



65% think the Tories will win with Theresa May as leader. 16% think Labour will win with Corbyn as leader. t:

 

[Iceman]

Looks like May might be going for a slightly harder Brexit than expected.

 

[Dr Lee]

Well... it is what the public voted for after all... they want full run away.... they're getting full run away.

 

[chamber-music]

Theresa May is still in the honeymoon period. May hasn't really done too much to tick anyone off yet.

It isn't a shock that most people think a May lead Tory party is more electable than a Corbyn led Labour party. Even people in the Labour party think they can't win with Corbyn as leader which is why most of the Labour MPs rebelled against him. Corbyn probably knows he won't be Prime Minister and is just enjoying his time in the spotlight leading his personal socialist fan club.