stryfe
Chaos Bringer
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raybia said:Until you become one.
Oh please spare me your ****ty moral lessons.
Them before me. Period.
raybia said:Until you become one.
JLBats said:Bingo. I mean, even War Lord knows that. He even has it in his sig:
"A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both."
Isn't torturing suspects the ultimate example of this?
stryfe said:Oh please spare me your ****ty moral lessons.
Them before me. Period.
First rule of the fanatic.stryfe said:Oh please spare me your ****ty moral lessons.
Them before me. Period.
SuriCruise said:I would like to congratulate the USA on officialy becoming a terrorist state. Yay! It's been a long haul kid, but you've finaly made it, good for you.
I'll do it to please them. Once they're happy, I'll relapsestryfe said:Lets see you value principles when your only choice is to convert to Islam or die.
raybia said:Thats the spirit! An Eye for an Eye!
Leaves everyone blind.
hippie_hunter said:I wasn't saying that we conduct the same practices. Hell, I think that not performing such acts show that we are the better man. I was just saying don't feel too sorry for the people that we capture that would end up doing much worse stuff for us.
raybia said:Thats cool. My only problem is that I know for a fact there have been terror suspects that were completely innocent with no knowledge or involvement whatsoever with terrorism.
That's ridiculous. So if we don't torture Muslims they'll take over our country and kill us all?stryfe said:Lets see you value principles when your only choice is to convert to Islam or die.
SuriCruise said:Be sure you have your "freedom" locked away in a vault somewhere, because when generic, scary muslim guy breaks down the door of your house that's the first thing he's going to want to destroy. They just hate that ****.
Also, you are not very smart.
Amen
raybia said:That's cool. After we get them, you're next.
lordofthenerds said:That's ridiculous. So if we don't torture Muslims they'll take over our country and kill us all?
I don't fall for fear tactics. Try churchesstryfe said:Who said anything about Muslims? Your turning this into a religeous battle when the line is very clear. We are hunting those who want to kill us and who we are. Catholic, Christian, Muslim, jew it makes no difference.
SuriCruise said:Be sure you have your "freedom" locked away in a vault somewhere, because when generic, scary muslim guy breaks down the door of your house that's the first thing he's going to want to destroy. They just hate that ****.
Also, you are not very smart.
Amen
War Lord said:And we are better then them The interrogative techniques we use don't result in permanent injuries or permanent mental conditions.
stryfe said:Lets see now: Torture
noun 1. the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty.
2. a method of inflicting such pain.
3. Often, tortures. the pain or suffering caused or undergone.
4. extreme anguish of body or mind; agony.
5. a cause of severe pain or anguish.
verb (used with object) 6. to subject to torture.
7. to afflict with severe pain of body or mind: My back is torturing me.
8. to force or extort by torture: We'll torture the truth from his lips!
9. to twist, force, or bring into some unnatural position or form: trees tortured by storms.
10. to distort or pervert (language, meaning, etc.).
Behead
tr.v. be·head·ed, be·head·ing, be·heads
To separate the head from; decapitate.
So We torture them and they live. They behead us and we die. How is this not "better" then them?
stryfe said:Its against people who want to kill us.
SuriCruise said:Wow, the fool on the hill really does see the sun going down. Wrong again though. What you are doing is holding a big scary bunny in one hand to draw everyone's attention away from your stealing their wallet. If you'd take the time to educate yourself on any of the actions taken by the US in "re-constructing" Iraq, you'd know that. The people you so blindly follow on their hunt wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.
stryfe said:Who said anything about Muslims?
stryfe said:They behead us. They kill anyone including kids. They hide in holy places (which is illegal for combatants to do)and your going to complain about us hurting them.
stryfe said:Lets see you value principles when your only choice is to convert to Islam or die.
Another piece of legislation passed in the United States yesterday means the president will be able to order surveillance on a suspect without going to court for approval. Both laws could reach the president's desk within days to be signed into law.
The new Republican-backed spying legislation outlines when and how a president can order warrantless surveillance. The president would be permitted to do so, for example, after an "armed attack", "terrorist attack" or when the president deems there is an "imminent threat".
"Hidden in the fine print are provisions which grant the administration authority to maintain permanent records on innocent US citizens, giving it new authority to demand personal records without court review, and terminating any and all legal challenges to unlawful wiretapping,"
By your logic then any person that the government feels would cause harm or death is subject to such techniques? So someone that is a suspect in murder, molestation, rape ect. are all legally torturable?stryfe said:We are hunting those who want to kill us and who we are. Catholic, Christian, Muslim, jew it makes no difference.