BvS Do we want a Batman villain in Superman/Batman?

[Pyro Man]

I think its almost guaranteed Lex Luthor will be involved no matter what the plot is but do we want to have a Batman villain with a major role being in league with Luthor or do we want to wait until a solo Batman movie?

 

[DareDemon]

Some people think this is just a MoS sequel, but I really think this is Worlds Finest. Therefore, there should be a Batman villain. I wanna say Joker just because he his Batman archnemesis to go along with Supes', plus the animated movie. But I kinda hope it's someone else. I have no idea who.

I like Scarecrow, his fear gas might be able to do something to Superman.
Grundy is strong, and he's supernatural, something that hasn't been done in the last Batman saga.
Poison Ivy or Mr. Freeze for similar reasons.
Or someone like Black Mask, maybe doing underworld stuff for Luthor while he focuses on white collar stuff.

Like I said, I have no idea. Hope someone's there though.

 

[ares834]

I hope not or we may get a villain overload. Bats vs Supes will undoubtedly play a large role in the film. As for the actual villains, Luthor is all but guaranteed but then we also need someone for Supes to be able to beat on and none of Batman's rouges are really up for the challenge IMO.

 

[DareDemon]

So Superman needs Batman's help to defeat Lex? Two villains is villain overload?

 

[Pyro Man]

A big problem for me is finding a good villain with a reason to travel outside of Gotham and one that hasn't been used too recently.

What about Riddler? It'll have been 20 years since Batman Forever, he's not as complicated to introduce and there wouldn't be an worry about drawing negative comparisons to previous Jokers or a feeling of "here we go again" from people. Also he's an intellectual like Lex so it would be interesting to see them work together.

I want to see Black Mask in a Batman movie soon but I'd rather see Lex teamed up with a bigger Batman villain.

Scarecrow would be fine but I think they'll probably consciously avoid using villains from the Nolan trilogy.

I love Ivy and Freeze but they send out bad vibes for your casual audience member that just associates them with Batman and Robin. Plus I think Freeze can hold his own movie and deserves his own movie.

 

[EssayM]

Do we even know if Batman will actually have a major role in this? I mean, for all we know, maybe Bruce Wayne just has a cameo and that poster is just a shameless marketing gimmick?

 

[Pyro Man]

That's ridiculous. We know he'll be Batman and they've stated this is a Batman and Superman team up film. While the focus might lean a little more Superman's way I think that Batman will be very vital to it.

 

[Spider-Vader]

No Bat villains. World's Finest 1 should be Batman in Superman's world, while a sequel should be Superman in Batman's world (once we get a solo film with new Batman).

 

[Pyro Man]

I can dig that but I want to see the Batcave and Gotham briefly. As much as I'd like to see a big Batman villain in it the film already has a difficult balancing act, I can dream though and if they're careful enough they could pull it off. I'm hoping we can at least get a quick scene where Batman takes down one of his C-List rogues in a cameo to establish this Batman's skill set and set up a contrast between Superman and Batman's villains.

 

[ares834]

So Superman needs Batman's help to defeat Lex? Two villains is villain overload?

No, reread what I said. "Luthor is all but guaranteed but then we also need someone for Supes to be able to beat on and none of Batman's rouges are really up for the challenge IMO."

Three villains is where things begin to get funky especially since Superman and Batman will likely serve as antagonists to each other for much of the film.

 

[conan69]

They can go the route where Luthor has a relationship with one of Batmans villians.

Someone like Cobblepot comes to mind. Penguin and Luthor appearing to be respectable business men.

Luthor the multimillionaire untouchable guy and Cobblepot the mob/Gothams underworld guy who does the dirty work.

 

[DigificWriter]

If they're going to include a Batman villain in the movie, it really ought to be a character who can serve as a catalyst for Batman and Superman being at odds for a while before they're forced to come together as a team, and the villains who immediately come to mind as fitting the bill are Riddler, Scarecrow, Mad Hatter, and The Joker, with Joker being my personal pick, as it strikes me as being both fitting and logical for Bruce and Clark to have to put aside their differences and work together against their respective most iconic adversaries.

 

[Pickleweasel]

Clayface gets my vote

 

[Gianakin_]

I hope Batman IS a "villain" for Superman, at first (more like an antagonist, actually). Suspicious of him (just like the entire world), investigating him, etc.

I really don't think we'll be getting Batman rogues in the upcoming film.

 

[Uroboric Forms]

I'd rather not see Lex, I'd prefer it if he was saved for a solo Superman film. If Superman and Batman do face off in the film, then Poison Ivy could be used to pit them against one another.

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

no. not as a villain. as an antagonist.

 

[DigificWriter]

I'd rather not see Lex, I'd prefer it if he was saved for a solo Superman film.

I don't think they're going to do another 'solo' Superman film until after Justice League, so why would they hold off on Lex until then?

 

[shauner111]

I'd rather not see Lex, I'd prefer it if he was saved for a solo Superman film. If Superman and Batman do face off in the film, then Poison Ivy could be used to pit them against one another.

He's definitely going to be in this.

 

[Airwings]

A big problem for me is finding a good villain with a reason to travel outside of Gotham and one that hasn't been used too recently.

What about Riddler? It'll have been 20 years since Batman Forever, he's not as complicated to introduce and there wouldn't be an worry about drawing negative comparisons to previous Jokers or a feeling of "here we go again" from people. Also he's an intellectual like Lex so it would be interesting to see them work together.

Joker this soon after TDK will surely feels like "here we go again".

They can go the route where Luthor has a relationship with one of Batmans villians.

Someone like Cobblepot comes to mind. Penguin and Luthor appearing to be respectable business men.

Luthor the multimillionaire untouchable guy and Cobblepot the mob/Gothams underworld guy who does the dirty work.

Penguin could be a sort of Al Capone, perhaps?

If they're going to include a Batman villain in the movie, it really ought to be a character who can serve as a catalyst for Batman and Superman being at odds for a while before they're forced to come together as a team, and the villains who immediately come to mind as fitting the bill are Riddler, Scarecrow, Mad Hatter

Some insights in the possibilities for a "non-Joker" villain from Batman's world. Interesting arguments are brought up.
Maybe I should go one step further and suggest Clock King. Maybe I should!

 

[Gamingboy]

If there is a Batman villain, I'd like it to be one of the more fantastic ones, not just, for example, the Joker. I'd like to see something we wouldn't have been able to see in the Nolan films but which would fit in the more fantastic MoS world.


I sort of hint at Clayface over at the "Write-A-Scene" thread, because he's the type of villain that would be awesome to see on the big screen while also possibly serving a good story function, as I figure his shapeshifting powers would provide a good excuse for a misunderstanding that brings Clark and Bruce to blows (assuming Clark doesn't have time to X-Ray vision Clayface in time to realize he's a dupe).

 

[Zorex]

My preference? No Batman villains. All-Superman, Batman as a supporting character. At most, use a minor Bat-villain in a cameo that doesn't call too much attention to itself.

My prediction? Luthor will be the main villain, while Batman will serve as main antagonist to Superman for some of the picture before they team up against Luthor and whatever he has to throw at them (genetic mutation monster, robot, himself in an armored suit built from the remnants of Zod's).

 

[SilentWarriorZ]

I do think there will be a point where Batman wont team up with Superman but then end up Teaming up at last and we might get some Fight between the two superheros but no way batman will be a villain of this movie .

 

[ThePhantasm]

Honestly I feel like the villains will be Luthor and Metallo, no Bat villains.

 

[Gianakin_]

I wouldn't mind not having Bat-villains, either. It feels appropriate to go with just Superman's rogues.

 

[Conundrum]

I'm fine with just a Superman villain(s), ideally Lex and Bizarro.
If I could have a Batman villain though - Clayface.