I would say agree to disagree. But it is just so blatant. I notice you haven't either shown a picture of Bane dressed like that in the comics
Dressed like what? With a black jacket on him? I said that was the only similarity between him and Hardy's Bane.
or especially explained why Bane's men worship him to the death in the game, not unlike his men Rises.
What Bane having henchmen in the comics who would gladly die for him?
I read it for the second time about two years ago. I don't think that makes me "rusty." And yes, saying that it was Robin attacked by Bird instead of Batman does not deflate my point or prove I haven't read it.
That's not what you said originally. You said Batman and Robin were chasing after Bane's goons. That's what made me say you haven't read it because that never happened. Then you got specific in your next post and said they encountered Bird.
He could actually be trying to figure out where Bane is while this is going on or why Bane is doing this. He also has Nightwing (who he refused to call in) and Robin. He could delegate some of the work, and actually try to get ahead of Bane's trap, instead of waiting for it to hit him. It always struck me as weak writing that padded out a story that should have been four issues instead of twelve. And it's at the expense of the protagonist's intelligence.
Ok first of all trying to figure out where Bane is, he didn't have time to sleep let alone dedicate time to search for Bane. He literally had lunatic after lunatic to deal with. It was like whack-a-mole. He knocks one down and another pops up.
As for Nightwing, he said he was his own man with his own responsibilities in Bludhaven. He didn't see the need to bring him into it. He used Robin as much as he could. Tim was leading the double life of school student and son to Jack Drake, as well as Robin.
You're also forgetting Batman didn't know Bane from Adam. They met once very briefly in Vengeance of Bane. Batman didn't know a thing about Bane other than he was in Gotham to get him, and he released the Arkham inmates. It's not like Batman has not handled bigger threats than that before on his own. I mean he's taken down Ra's Al Ghul, a centuries old leader of a huge terrorist organization of ninjas and assassins. Bane looked like a muscle head with a couple of henchmen by his side. Yes Batman under estimated Bane, but then he didn't know Bane had figured out his identity, or anything at all about him.
And he didn't go head to head with Bane after an 8 year hiatus, with a death wish, and a leg strap holding him up.
That is a terrible argument. In film, conflation becomes a necessity for adaptation. Unless you are going to start complaining about how in BB Ra's Al Ghul picked Bruce Wayne as his successor BEFORE he proved himself to be the world's greatest detective (like in the comics) or as a worthy suitor for his daughter (like in the comics), or how Joker became fixated on his symbiotic relationship with Batman BEFORE meeting him in TDK, this conflation here should not be an issue. Just as Bruce was selected as heir before proving himself, so too can Bane before breaking the Bat. It is a nitpick, plain and simple.
Ok for start you are wrong on all counts there. First of all Ra's observed Bruce in the prison. He saw how he fought all those men and won single handed. He saw some potential in him, but he didn't just instantly choose him as a successor. No he put him through the test. First he told him to go to the mountains, find a blue flower, then carry it all the way to the LOS base. Then Bruce had to go through all the LOS training and trials. When he passed all that successfully then he was seen as worthy to be a successor.
As for the Joker, he did the same thing. He saw the changes Batman brought to Gotham. The copycats, the mob changing their methods, and even he himself is a response to Batman's theatrical presence in Gotham. He didn't have to meet Batman to know what he was about. But Joker studied Batman himself. "I wanted to see what you'd do. And you didn't disappoint. You let five people die. Then you let Dent take your place".
He was toying with Batman. Seeing if he'd rise to his mind games and challenges. He found it so much fun. A fellow freak who entertains him endlessly.
Same with Bruce and Harvey Dent. He didn't just trust that Dent was as good as his rep claimed he was. Batman put him to a test, too. He brought him Lau and made Dent prove he could get Lau to talk, and put away all those mob guys. He did.
Now lets look at Rises; Bane trapped all his life in a prison pit and has to be rescued from it by Ra's. No reason why Ra's would think this guy is worthy of being taken in by the LOS at all. Then we have Blake. What in god's name made Bruce think this young Cop he met briefly three times before is a worthy successor for the mantle of the Batman? Just because he has an orphan background like Bruce? That he's a noble guy? Half of the boy's orphanage are good candidates for Batman then.
Rises was so sloppy in handling some of the characters. Especially Blake and Bane.
I agree we should have seen more of the revolution. But the storming of the Bastille/Blackgate, the kangaroo courts, the martial law enforced with Batman's own arsenal used as tanks, the hanging of Navy SEALs on a bridge like its Fallujah, etc. are all things I've never seen attempted in a comic book film or even a Batman comic to that level of real world reflection.
A prison break, a couple of tumblers driving around the streets, a kangaroo court, and hanging some people off a bridge. Really that was a worthy revolution? That was worth a 5 month siege?
Yes, I take that over becoming a "king" of Batman's kingdom, which is just the latest lazy comic plotting rationale to explain why Bane became just another gangster. Yawn.
No it's not. Because once a villain takes over Gotham there's all kinds of exciting possibilities and drama to made from a situation like that. What else can you get from a cliche destroy the city with a doomsday device ploy? Something we already had in Begins, too. Swipe a Wayne Enterprises device and use it to kill the city.
Yawn indeed.
Actually, in the comics Batman had either the flu or at least a very nasty cold. Or did comic Bane mastermind that too by sneezing into Bruce Wayne's soup?
He didn't have the flu or a cold lol. He was mentally and physically worn out. That's why he was seeing Shondra Kinsolving.
And it also showed what a lot of pop culture thought of the character until recently.
Well yeah, they still see Mr. Freeze that way, too, until a movie does him properly.
I didn't think so as a kid. Even as a kid, I thought it was a rip-off how easily Batman defeated him. In retrospect, seeing how little Bane was used after the fact, and how Timm apparently shrugged off the character on the BTAS DVDs, and then how Dini definitely treated him in the Arkham games he scripted, I see a half-hearted characterization if ever there was one.
Bane was a newbie villain, and Batman has a huge rogues gallery. Bane was never going to be a regular appearance. He was only a year old in the comics when BTAS used him. That is impressive that a villain fresh from creation made a leap into the show like that, and was treated so seriously.
As for the Arkham games, it's not like Bane is the only villain that was not handled well in them. Hugo Strange was a puppet of Ra's, Two Face was nothing but a scratching post for Catwoman.
So, he is nothing more than a hired thug. A mercenary with no vision. And that is somehow better than Rises' Bane, because he doesn't take orders solely from a woman? What does that say? It is okay for him to be shown as a subordinate to a man with fans, but when depicted as an equal with a woman, he looks "weak?"
I am curious on that one.
No, it means he's a freelance assassin. Like Arkham Origins Bane was a hired assassin by Joker to take out Batman. He built himself up with a rep for being the best go to guy. He takes a target and executes it his way. Did you see Thorne or his assistant tell him how to do the job at all? No. In fact Bane put Thorne in his place when Thorne expressed annoyance that Bane was going to follow Croc so he could study Batman in action taking on Croc. BTAS Bane was his own man who did his own thing, and took on the jobs he wanted and carried them out his way. Yes not as grand as the comic book Bane who broke the Batman, but then the Joker wasn't as evil and psychotic as the comic book one either. Again it was a Saturday morning cartoon. There was constraints.
But it is better than an LOS reject on a suicide mission for a man who hated him. Almost any version of Bane is better than that.
Candace was his main employer. She was going to have Bane kill Thorne next. It is also heavily implied, if not outright stated, that Bane and Candace were lovers.
No. Candace was not his main employer. She was not going to have Bane kill Thorne. That was something she was going to do herself;
Candace: "With Batman out of the way Gotham could be yours. So could I"
Bane: "And what about your employer?"
Candace: "Well accidents do happen"
I like where this is going.
