Do you think Jean could of Controlled it?

[gambitfire]

I thought i should create this thread with an interesting topic that someone sparked. I mean this regardless of the fact that it was obvious Wolverine would have to kill "the woman he loves" *coughsBULL*. Does anyone feel that she could of controled the phoenix with in? We don't really know if Xavier had faith in her or not we assume he did cuz he's like her father, but he told her don't let it control you as in maybe you can gain control. Another thing is that she wanted to die because she had already killed the man she loved so if she hadn't had killed cyclops could he have helped her controlled it?

 

[gambitfire]

and now i go to bed goodnight

 

[micky-fox]

Jean could have controlled it if she hadn't sacrificed herself in X2 and completely gained full access to her Phoenix powers, which obviously overwhelmed her to a great extent.

It was obvious that in the beginning, her powers were too great for her as a child, so Xavier blocked them and began to slowly work on her... teaching her to control her power, each time gaining a little more control. I believe his plan all along was to teach her how to control her power, because we all know his psychic blocks wouldn't have lasted forever.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Nah, she couldn't control it.

All her life, she's been used to a certain level of power. We see even in X2 that she can't fully control it (museum, Blackbird, etc...) after the mental blocks were destroyed by Magneto's machine.

To top it all off, after her "death" in X2, her Phoenix alter ego took full control, so not only did she have powers she couldn't fully control, the part of her that WANTED that power had taken over, so there wasn't much chance, outside of Xavier putting the blocks in again, for her to control it.

I think that Xavier's words to her were merely a plea... something he probably knew she couldn't realistically accomplish, but it was all that was left that he could do. She had grown too powerful, she was going to kill him, and he knew it.

 

[britrogue]

I wouldn't have liked that. Jean's never been able to fully control the Phoenix.

 

[Decay]

Jean could not have controlled the Phoenix without Professor Xavier's help, and since he's gone...

 

[micky-fox]

Jean could not have controlled the Phoenix without Professor Xavier's help, and since he's gone...

Badness ensues.

 

[Avalanche]

Jean could have controlled Phoenix? Maybe, but not before she'd ripped half the world apart.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

My answer is a resounding No.

She can't control it in the comics. She can't control it in the films.

Logan stabbed her in the comics. Logan stabbed her in the film.

Sounds spot on to me....

 

[bruja_escarlata]

The power controlled Jean, sometimes she might have been able to resurface and control it for a short period of time....but as Lightning said, not even in the comics is Jean able to fully control the Phoenix......
And in the movies the Phoenix is really another side of Jean not a different entity so I guess is even more complicated.

Besides look at young Jean in the film, before the mental blocks, she was a bit weird, not a very nice kid.

Maybe with the blocks and Xavier she could have found a way of using her power without being controlled by it, but she lost the blocks and kill Xavier so.....

 

[JeanGrey12]

Jean really couldn't have controlled it. The power controlled her.

 

[Drago]

Nope. She couldn't have controlled it.

To the best of my knowledge once someone becomes a schizo it's impossible to teach them how to lock that personality back up- that's why they make meds for people in that situation. Dual personalities are created because strong emotions and urges are "locked up" and as a means of survival they found a way out- you can't put them back after that happens and that's what happenned to Jean.

It's probably possible to "merge" 2 personalities with a lot of therapy- but it didn't matter because Professor X never wanted her to have her powers, he wanted them to stay repressed. If he had his way, he would cage her powers again (atleast thats how it was portrayed on film)- his arrogance would overrule his regret.

 

[The Kid]

Xavier thought she could control it for whatever reason. throughout the film though it's clear she's powerless against the phoenix, and her only hope is that the phoenix randomly falls asleep or Logan somehow draws her back into conciousness for whatever reason.

based on that stuff, I think she ought to have tried at least to stop the phoenix from doing whatever she did to scott. she seems to have enough control to stop phoenix from just frying logan's brain in the end, and allow him to stab her. So I say she has limited control however that works.

 

[Majik1387]

Nope. She couldn't have controlled it.

To the best of my knowledge once someone becomes a schizo it's impossible to teach them how to lock that personality back up- that's why they make meds for people in that situation. Dual personalities are created because strong emotions and urges are "locked up" and as a means of survival they found a way out- you can't put them back after that happens and that's what happenned to Jean.

It's probably possible to "merge" 2 personalities with a lot of therapy- but it didn't matter because Professor X never wanted her to have her powers, he wanted them to stay repressed. If he had his way, he would cage her powers again (atleast thats how it was portrayed on film)- his arrogance would overrule his regret.

Didn't that happen in Generation X where Monet St. Croix's sisters' minds fused inside Penance?

 

[November Rain]

you know if xavier had actually tried to help her with her powers instead of simply surpressing something he didn't understand, then perhaps...

the film xavier is pissing me off the more i think of him, not being able to help jason and let him go, not helping scott through a grieving process of his greatest love, feasibly attacking jean's mind without her consent, snapping at wolverine.

I mean how can anyone believe his dream of mutants and humans living in harmony when he actively puts barrier on his own students. It simply shows he doesn't compltely 100% believe in his own dream and if he doesn't believe, how are all the people who are supposed to be following him believe it.

bah,

 

[Avalanche]

If he had his way, he would cage her powers again (atleast thats how it was portrayed on film)- his arrogance would overrule his regret.

His arrogance? I don't think arrogance is the right way to describe what Xavier did. Once she had access to her full powers, Jean killed the man she loved, she killed her mentor, and she killed countless humans and mutants with her powers. She ripped a house from it's foundations and tore Alcatraz apart.

I don't think it was arrogant to repress her powers. I think it was sensible.

 

[PowersOfMind]

The only reason she couldnt control it in X2 and X3 was because it was a sudden onslaught. If the Professor has been teaching her all along without the blocks I think she could have controlled it. After all she didint develop the other personality until after he put the blocks on her.
Cuz wasnt it said(in X1 I think) that a mutants powers come during puberty or severe emotional distress? So it wasnt like with a Jedi where he would have to have had Jean from the time she was a baby to train her.
I really think that with his help but minus the blocks she could have been in control of her powers.

 

[November Rain]

His arrogance? I don't think arrogance is the right way to describe what Xavier did. Once she had access to her full powers, Jean killed the man she loved, she killed her mentor, and she killed countless humans and mutants with her powers. She ripped a house from it's foundations and tore Alcatraz apart.

I don't think it was arrogant to repress her powers. I think it was sensible.

I think what would have been sensible was to do that for jason rather than sending him packing while saying to his parents that there was nothing he could do for them...

if the xavier shown in the last film is representative of the one shown in the first two, then some of his actions have indeed come across as arrogant...

especially taking over a comatosed body for his own gain, i mean where is the humanity in that?

 

[PowersOfMind]

Its like a weird space invasion. I mean for him to tell her that to read people's minds without their permission is wrong, but then put these mental blocks in her brain seems a little arrogant. Maybe arrogance is not the word for it. Its like he was saying to her its not ok for her to probe these two men to find out their intentions towards her but its ok for him to use his powers on her.

 

[Decay]

One main reason for Jean not being able to control her powers is also the fact that she is young and hasn't got enough experience.

 

[gambitfire]

My answer is a resounding No.

She can't control it in the comics. She can't control it in the films.

Logan stabbed her in the comics. Logan stabbed her in the film.

Sounds spot on to me....

But she did control it in the comics, and we won't know if she could of ever controlled it in the films.

Logan's stabbing her in the comics did nothing to her, in the film it was just ridiculous IMO.

 

[X-Gal123]

I don't think Jean could have controlled it. To qoute the TAS episode she couldn't control it every second of the day not slipping for a second.

 

[ProductionMusic]

I think she could have but

A) People kept bringing up she killed Scott when she was calm & that made her go over the edge

B) Magneto did not help either

 

[gambitfire]

I don't think Jean could have controlled it. To qoute the TAS episode she couldn't control it every second of the day not slipping for a second.

TAS was different because it was really Jean while in 616 It was a Clone, Jean 616 didn't gain the Phoenix powers till later, and she didn't have the same problems then as TAS Jean did.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I think she could have but

A) People kept bringing up she killed Scott when she was calm & that made her go over the edge

That didn't make her go over the edge... it was Phoenix who did it, quite willingly.

When she rose, it would have been the Phoenix that was the stronger presence, seeing as how Jean's conciousness was all but destroyed in X2... so when she rose, it was the Phoenix.

The use of power to hold back Scott's blast brought out the Phoenix to the fullest, and she wanted to have some fun. Kablamo Cyclops.