Discussion in 'The Dark Knight' started by Rocketman, Apr 5, 2011.
I wish Maggie had been in Batman Begins. Katie was a weak link.
Tbh I agree but I don't think Katie Holmes was awful in Batman Begins she just wasn't anything special.
Eh, I don't think there was anything in the role in TDK that Katie couldn't have done. Sure, she's not the best actress, but there really isn't much to the Rachel character anyways.
She was awful, but it wouldn't have been so much of a deal if the rest of the cast (in the main roles at least) hadn't been so great.
it was funny when she slaps twice not once but twice. I chuckle everytime I see that that scene.
Her acting teacher - if she ever had one - should have failed her for doing that.
The director seemed pretty okay with it.
Not Nolan's only mistake in BB. He seemed pretty okay with all the terrible dialogue as well.
I think you've hit the nail on the head here in many ways. She was just written very unsympathetically to me so I disliked her for that. With her sour personality and Maggie unattractive ( to me) looks I felt her dead trauma was undermined. Switching actors or actresses in the middle of a continuing story is always an uphill battle for me anyway.
Maggie in BB.
Holmes was lame-o.
I don't see how the character's level of attractiveness should have any bearing on how much weight her death carries. That reeks of typical fanboy female objectification. Anyway, I really don't understand when people say things like, "I was happy when Rachel died!". Even if you one doesn't like the character, that seems to show a lack of investment in Bruce and Harvey's characters and the fact that the woman they both love was brutally blown away. I still think Maggie did great in the death scene, pulling off all those conflicting emotions...trying to reassure Harvey even as she it dawns on her that she's probably going to die.
I'm not the biggest fan of the Rachel character, but one thing I'll say is I often felt like Katie was trying to be mature and tough, whereas Maggie felt more authentic in that. Katie felt more like a girl and Maggie felt like a woman. In an odd way I think they both fit their respective movies though, even though recasting is always less than ideal.
I love Maggie's Rachel so much. Her death scene is some of the finest acting in this whole trilogy.
God, I hate this site sometimes. Just incredibly unpleasant because of some people insisting that everything sucks, always.
He/she didn't say everything sucks. He/she pointed out the two things specifically that sucked to he/she. One would naturally hate this site and the internet in general if one conflates one or two problems to hating the whole thing entire. I am sure he/she is sincerely sorry he/she can't slobber voraciously over every single element of this movie to make your stay here more pleasant.
Do I wish Katie had been in TDK? Yes, because I would prefer if recasting is done only when absolutely necessary (and Katie leaving doesn't qualify as an 'absolutely necessary' situation, IMO).
Having said that, though, the recasting did end up working.
I wish Katie was in TDK.
Katie in TDK for several reasons.
she actually had chemistry with Bale. not much chemistry, but some. Maggie had none.
she made the character likeable (for me, anyway). Maggie was just annoying.
I can't stand recasting. it takes me out of the movie.
I haven't seen Maggie in anything else, but she was not very good in TDK.
edit: just remembered I saw Maggie in Mona Lisa Smile. she was very good, charming and likeable in it, so I don't know why that was lacking from TDK
What do you think about begins overall?
Great tone and strong bet, but with too many problems (dialogues, humor and action). Nolan's take would only come to fruition in the sequel.
The director could have edited out one of those slaps but he didn't, it seems to me that Nolan told her to do that twice, first slap because she felt Bruce deserved it and second one on behalf of Bruce's parents.
To be honest, Katie fit the childhood sweet-heart persona more in BB, Maggie would have been terrible in her place, imagine Maggie slapping him twice.
And Maggie looked better as Assistant to DA who is a bit more mature than Katie in TDK.
So, I am not bothered by two actresses playing same character.
I look at them add two different characters. Their personalities don't seem to match
I didn't even feel bad one bit!
Pretty much agreeing with you here, with most parts. I did enjoy most of Maggie's scenes but I wish Katie had returned for the reasons you listed above.
Best thing that happened was no more wooden Katie acting in TDK. I can't imagine her doing the emotional scenes well with Harvey and Bruce.