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We're starting to repeat ourselves now, mate. Lets just agree to disagree
Yeah, but hey, it was good to help bring this section to life again
We're starting to repeat ourselves now, mate. Lets just agree to disagree
Maggie in TDK actually looks like a real person that you can find anywhere so you can care far more about Bruce and Harvey being attracted to her for her personality and not just her looks. Also Katie just seemed young. Like she could still pass for a college student while Bruce, Harvey, and Maggie look like they are in their late 20's early 30's.
I think in Begins though the character simply served no purpose in the sequel she actually did.
Yeah, but hey, it was good to help bring this section to life again
She doesnt. At all. And I never said she has to. Im just saying she wasnt in TDK
And what looks did in BB is made her pleasant to look at and added the extra dimension to the character which I already spoke about
In that case Alfred is also that prima donna. She was like a guide, a parent to him when he needed it. I guess it depends on POV, but like Nolan said, Rachel was Bruce's moral guide. Rachel was extremely wise and helped Bruce "tune up" when he got lost. She supported him when he needed it (she understood and accepted his will to attend the trial), she was very sweet and open to him (ending scene) and also when he deserved it she was harsh on him and gave him tough love and criticized him when he deserved it. The wise words of "its not who you are underneath" came from her, the whole "Bruce is your mask" statement did as well. She was sometimes sweet, sometims arrogant, sometime tough, sometime supportive, sometime criticizing. She was a trusted, childhood friend, love interest and parent at the same time
Maggie on the other hand didnt even understand Bruce (Harvey may not know when youre making fun of him but I do) and was constantly dismissive and annoyed by even his presence ("Yeah, fancy that"), not even listening to him and being so insensitive to his feelings, not even wanting to talk (Dont make me your only hope for a normal life), being so cold about it and just leaving him standing alone, not even willing to support him with some words and friendly talk or advice. She had only one dimension, one color, and that was a dime a dozen DA office worker who clearly didnt want anything to do with Bruce at all. And nothing but being mean to Bruce was the only thing she did
Maggie as Rachel just came off as insensitive, arrogant, and a shrill school marm and I can't think of one scene in the movie where she actually was Bruce's friend.
Maggie in TDK actually looks like a real person that you can find anywhere so you can care far more about Bruce and Harvey being attracted to her for her personality and not just her looks. Also Katie just seemed young. Like she could still pass for a college student while Bruce, Harvey, and Maggie look like they are in their late 20's early 30's.
I think in Begins though the character simply served no purpose in the sequel she actually did.
storyteller said:I think in Begins though the character simply served no purpose in the sequel she actually did.
Incorrect. According to Nolan she was the moral guide for Bruce, and she was someone who derailed him form the wrong path and made him change his life. Plus everything Szetsilya said
In begins, she had plenty of functions and she was crucial to Bruce's development, his friend, support and love interest. In TDK shes only a damsel in distress, nothing more. Gylenhal admitted she is. And Maggie looks like shes in mid 40s btw, but we moved from the look talk
"I met Chris and he was lovely and smart and thoughtful. He gave me the script to read and he said to me when he gave it to me, he said, 'She's not quite finished yet, this character.' It was early on and I guess it was a sort of early draft. I read it and I had a lot of ideas, and I guess for me there were two chief worries. One was that I wanted to make sure that I had Katie Holmes' blessing and I didn't want to get involved with it if I didn't. I also wanted to make sure that Chris wanted the character to be smart and feisty and fierce and a real whole thinking woman who cares just as much about making Gotham an honorable and safe place to live as any of these guys did. When I realized that Chris wanted exactly that, then I had to do it."
“She’s trying to figure out in a lot of the movie which of these two very honorable men is going about trying to change the world they live in a way that is more effective and better,” she says. Rachel’s final decision is a dramatic highpoint of the film that has far-reaching and devastating consequences for all three characters.
The past is the past, I know.
BUT, when I watch both films back to back, it's sooo annoying to see the lack of continuity in Rachel's casting.
So, for the sake of continuity, if you had the choice to go back in time, would you originally cast Maggie as Rachel in BB, or would you have Katie return for TDK?
Personally, I would have Maggie in both films.
NOTE: Ignore Tom Cruise and their personal lives, and just look at both ladies' performances themselves.
Jennifer Connelly.
Katie Holmes.
Maggie's GENERALLY the better actress but her delivery was painful in TDK. To the point that I was relieved when she bew up because it meant she wouldn't have any more lines.
I vote Katie.
It would have been a lot easier to care about Rachel and remember their history if she was played by the same girl. Call me simple all you want, but re casting a role does screw up my ability to see them as the same girl... Especially as they almost had nothing in common, in the way each actress played her, and in the way they were written.
No. I meant it how I said, your way makes no sense.You mean Katie is generally the better actress but she was painful to watch in TDK. Wgereas Katie ahs always been painful to watch so we were used to that in advance for BB.
You weren't?Maybe it would have been a lot easier to care about Rachel and remember their history if she was played by the same girl, but it'd have been impossible not to celebrate when the character died.
No. I meant it how I said, your way makes no sense.
You weren't?
Your way makes no sense. Maggie was painful, but also was Katie. That's why I tried to make some sense out of your post.
Now at least Maggie looked like a DA, not a girl playing adults.
She was an ADA, and she was at the right age to be one, too. My friend went into law, and was an ADA at the age of 27.Now at least Maggie looked like a DA, not a girl playing adults.
Maybe it would have been a lot easier to care about Rachel and remember their history if she was played by the same girl, but it'd have been impossible not to celebrate when the character died.
His post made PERFECT sense. He was saying that, although Maggie is a superior actress, it was painful to watch her in TDK. Your response came across as that you thought the casting was reversed
and you were correcting him, although I know that wasn't the intent.
She was an ADA, and she was at the right age to be one, too. My friend went into law, and was an ADA at the age of 27.
I think I prefer loving to hate someone, over just simply wishing they'd shut up because i'm bored.
If i'd been watching that death scene and been ethusiastically yelling 'Just die already' it would have been better than '*yawn* is this bit over yet?'
At least i'd have been engaged in the scene
But you did imply her being a "girl playing adults". I'm saying, that she wasn't even a DA in BB, she was an ADA, and she looks to be of age to be playing one at that.I don't remember talking about her age but what she looked like.
But you did imply her being a "girl playing adults".
I'm saying, that she wasn't even a DA in BB, she was an ADA, and she looks to be of age to be playing one at that.