Doctor Strange Casting Poll **NEW** - Part 2

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[R_Hythlodeus]

has anyone read Ultimate long enough to stumble upon the Ultimate version of Strange? how was he? what were the differences between him and his 616 counterpart?

because if we have to have a very unnecessary discussion about how the MCU is closer to the Ultimate universe (which I don't think at all, except for a couple of costume descisions), we might as well stay on topic and talk about Strange here.

And, by the way, we need a Strange section as soon as possible. This is getting ridiculous

 

[Gamma Goliath]

He was complete garbage that was only a fraction as powerful as 616. And he died via suffocation/head explosion.

 

[KDM1986]

Hopefully after they announce who Dr. Strange is going to be. It will be nice having a forum for the Sorcerer Supreme!

 

[Nokio]

Yeah Ultimate Strange was easily defeated. I think his quick death and short appearance was meant to be nothing more then a vehicle to introduce a new Strange with the proper Ultimate take on the character. Unfortunately they never got around to completing the story arc.

 

[Ryu_do_Sen]

I've just seen who is the writer of Doctor Strange and it is Jon Spaihts.

The guy who never made a good script in his life. All of his movies so far bombed to hell. Prometheus and The darkest hour are the worst movies because of bad writing.

The reason why IM 2 and IM 3 sucked so bad was because of bad writing.

IM 2 was written by Justin Theroux, an simple actor who had written some comedy films.

Im 3 was written by Drew Pearce and Shane Black. The first one only wrote bad tv movies. And the second one was a good writer in the 90's but kinda lost his way. Obviously, just wasn't in the game no more.

I'm tellin' you, this film is gonna be utter crap if they don't change the writer.

 

[Yellow Cyclone]

i disagree

spaihts wanted to make prometheus more as a direct prequel to alien

lindelof, the true hack who never met a deus ex machina/spiritual allegory he didn't like, came along and rewrote it into the disappointment that it is today

you don't end up on the black list by being a bad writer in hollywood

 

[Majik1387]

Considering, he really only wrote one movie, The Darkest Hour, that he had majority rule on and it was a decent sci-fi movie, I think he'd fine for Doctor Strange. Maybe he was one of the good writers of Prometheus and someone else was to blame for the stupidity in that one. :cough:Lindelof:cough:

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

The reason why IM 3 sucked so bad was because of bad writing.

Im 3 was written by Drew Pearce and Shane Black. The first one only wrote bad tv movies. And the second one was a good writer in the 90's but kinda lost his way. Obviously, just wasn't in the game no more.

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[jihado86]

cross Richard Armitage, he was in Captain America : The First Avenger.

 

[Ryu_do_Sen]

i disagree

spaihts wanted to make prometheus more as a direct prequel to alien

lindelof, the true hack who never met a deus ex machina/spiritual allegory he didn't like, came along and rewrote it into the disappointment that it is today

you don't end up on the black list by being a bad writer in hollywood

Considering, he really only wrote one movie, The Darkest Hour, that he had majority rule on and it was a decent sci-fi movie, I think he'd fine for Doctor Strange. Maybe he was one of the good writers of Prometheus and someone else was to blame for the stupidity in that one. :cough:Lindelof:cough:

I agree that Lindelof butchered the script but Spaihts has admitted to some bad things that remained the way he wrote: the constant transformations, the black goo, the no brain secundary characters, etc. Between that and an mediocre scifi movie, he has a lot to prove. So, to me, he just isn't the right writer for Marvel next flagship movie.

Take a look to a description of the original script: http://www.prometheus2-movie.com/articles/10

Lol.....But, come on, what good movie, other than kiss kiss bang bang, has Shane Black done in the 2000's? And even in Iron Man 3, he wasn't lead writer. Maybe, he just wrote a couple of scenes, at best. Drew Pearce, the bad tv writer, has taken responsability for the writing duties in Iron MAn 3 and the Mandarin One-shot.

 

[Huddsy]

Lol.....But, come on, what good movie, other than kiss kiss bang bang, has Shane Black done in the 2000's? And even in Iron Man 3, he wasn't lead writer. Maybe, he just wrote a couple of scenes, at best. Drew Pearce, the bad tv writer, has taken responsability for the writing duties in Iron MAn 3 and the Mandarin One-shot.

The same guys who wrote the "meh" Thor:TDW also wrote The Winter Soldier which was fantastic.

So.... past performance doesn't mean this that or the other.

 

[Ryu_do_Sen]

The same guys who wrote the "meh" Thor:TDW also wrote The Winter Soldier which was fantastic.

So.... past performance doesn't mean this that or the other.

Markus and McFeely weren't lead writers in TDW. That was Chris Yost. They were called in as script doctors. And they have proved themselves in other films (Narnia, Peter Sellers, etc.).

Look, I agree with you in that there isn't anyone whose career is perfect. But we can tell when someone is just a bad writer or filmaker like lindelof or ratner.

 

[Huddsy]

Markus and McFeely weren't lead writers in TDW. That was Chris Yost. They were called in as script doctors. And they have proved themselves in other films (Narnia, Peter Sellers, etc.).

Look, I agree with you in that there isn't anyone whose career is perfect. But we can tell when someone is just a bad writer or filmaker like lindelof or ratner.

I actually don't hate Lindelof at all.

 

[Smilodon]

I actually rather enjoyed the semi-religious/mythical angle that Lindelof and Ridley provided with their Engineer concept. I also think Ridley's decision to go with Lindelof's idea of straying a bit further from Spaihts more direct prequel to Alien was a good idea since it could lead to more films within their universe and doesn't trek the same territory that Scott and Cameron did originally. (Though, one could argue the appeal of Alien and Aliens is that we don't know the origin of the Alien and to the viewer they are just an unstoppable force of nature. We don't question why predators hunt and reproduce. It's just in their nature and that absolutism is what makes them so frightening. Or perfect to the Androids)

I do think that some of the familiarity with the general mythos of the Alien films exposes some of the conveniences that these characters go through in order to be killed off by the Aliens. You would think by the time humanity has grown to the point of commercial spacecrafts they would know not to touch things on random planets and yet Kane does the exact opposite.

But I'm digressing from the main topic. I think as long as Feige, Derrickson and Spaights remain on the same page ala the Wright Brothers or James Gunn it should be fine. Feige seems to really manage the quality of each of these films, and though Iron Man 2,3 and the Thor sequels weren't excellent movies by any stretch, they also weren't absolutely terrible. Derrickson also writes his films so I wouldn't be surprised at all to have him be really hands on throughout the preproduction process like how Gunn rewrote the entire GoTG script.

 

[Yellow Cyclone]

i actually enjoyed that spaihts prometheus review.

i really really disliked the mythical angle that lindelof went with in the movie. i didn't like his stuff in lost, the magical blood in star trek 2, and just in general i don't think he's a very good writer

alien to me isn't hard scifi but it does have it's own set of rules, and the whole mythical/gods/creators angle just left a very bad taste, especially after 2 well done and established movies

i was disappointed that scott went with it. on an unrelated note, scott is the perfect director for wonder woman, possibly even justice league, and it makes me laugh that WB isn't parking a dump truck full of money at his house to do those things

i'm confident that marvel found the right guy for strange. and like somebody else said, it could be a case like avengers/gotg, where whedon/gunn comes along and rewrites everything anyway

 

[Endeavor]

I loved Prometheus and what was wrong with TDW wasn't Yost, who is awesome and actually knows Marvel characters, it was the director.

 

[icehero]

Dunno if they're gonna go for a completely fresh face but for Dr Strange I'd love to see someone like Matt Damon pull this off!

 

[Nokio]

I liked Prometheus, yes the movie was a bit of a let down because it provided no answers and tried to claim it wasn't a prequel to Aliens, when Scott should have embraced it. Scott tried to distance the movie from the mockery that FOX allowed to happen to the Aliens due to those awful AvP films. Overall I enjoyed but it could've been better, especially the silly concept of sending the Prometheus ship into the unknown with no weapons for defense or offense, utterly the worse part of the movie.

Thor TDW was good to me. I enjoyed it and it was better then the 1st Thor. Those who didm;t like it are in the minority cause the movie took in over 200 million more then the 1st.

 

[Nokio]

Dunno if they're gonna go for a completely fresh face but for Dr Strange I'd love to see someone like Matt Damon pull this off!

I don't know, Damon doesn't fit Strange to me but I sure he can pull it off.

 

[Majik1387]

He can't.

 

[Ryu_do_Sen]

I think as long as Feige, Derrickson and Spaights remain on the same page ala the Wright Brothers or James Gunn it should be fine. Feige seems to really manage the quality of each of these films, and though Iron Man 2,3 and the Thor sequels weren't excellent movies by any stretch, they also weren't absolutely terrible. Derrickson also writes his films so I wouldn't be surprised at all to have him be really hands on throughout the preproduction process like how Gunn rewrote the entire GoTG script.

It's bad if those director rewrites happen because, most of time, the rewrites tend to worsen the original script. The story remains the same and they change a few things, like they did with prometheus.

A good writer is essential to a good movie. The producers and director are also very important but they can't do much when they don't have good material. It's like an excelent music player that plays crappy music: he plays it well but in the end, it's just crappy music.

 

[Smilodon]

I think a good writer and a good script are really important to the filmmaking process, but there are several examples where a really good director with a definitive vision can offset some poor writing. Ironic considering we were just discussing Ridley Scott and Prometheus and how the creative decisions made on that film were met with mixed reactions, but Scott went into Gladiator with an incomplete script and that film won Best Picture at the Academy Awards.

I don't know what Nicole Pearlman's original script for GoTG was like but Gunn's rewrite surely wasn't a bad one by any stretch looking at the final product. Those who have seen the older drafts of Kinberg's DoFP script also note that without Singer trimming the thing down and fixing the clunky dialogue we wouldn't have gotten the film that we got. A good writer is important for sure, and to a certain extent, a good film can't exist without a good script but movies are so much of a collaborative process that I don't think we could go out on a limb and say Derrickson and Feige wouldn't have good input on Spaight's script.

I also don't think we can write off Spaights as a bad writer forever just looking at his current body of work. Paul Haggis wrote Crash and Million Dollar Baby but hasn't really made any good films since. Perhaps his good films were a result of his work with Clint Eastwood? I just don't think we can totally dismiss Spaights as a bad writer all together since movies are so collaborative and Derrickson could totally work magic with Spaight's script.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Okay so this is probably nothing but I guess its worth mentioning... The on article featuring the Russo Bros. on the SSH front page, they talk about how one of them cameos in TWS as a surgeon working on Fury and he drops another name that kinda surprised me...

Speaking of cameos, we caught up with Joe Russo, who had his own cameo as one of the surgeons working on Nick Fury.

“If you’re now established in the Marvel Cinematic Universe as a surgeon,” we asked, “Does that mean that you’re in the running to play Doctor Strange?”

“Yep!” he laughed. “It’s down to me and Joaquin!”

Did he just accidentally confirm Joaquin really is In the race for Strange, or was it just a clever joke?

Im super ready to find out who will portray the sorcerer supreme.