Sequels Does Anyone Think..

[bgshw44]

That WB is pushing both MOS and JLA into production so they have their 2009 and 2010 tentpoles in place before the strike?

 

[Angeloz]

Won't there be Harry Potter in 2010 in theory?

Angeloz

 

[matthooper]

That WB is pushing both MOS and JLA into production so they have their 2009 and 2010 tentpoles in place before the strike?

I don't think anyone thinks WB is pushing MOS into production. What tiny shred of evidence suggests the WB has even hinted at any Superman Returns sequel going foward? Any info we've heard about development has come from producers and writers, which is about as important a source as a dead chicken.

The only drop of info from the studio has been a few simple words from the studio head that talked about him needing to see a script and budget before any decision is made. How is that pushing MOS foward?

It does seem however that JL is quickly moving ahead.

 

[Angeloz]

Because the rumours have all been sooo consistent.

Angeloz

 

[Showtime]

I don't think anyone thinks WB is pushing MOS into production. What tiny shred of evidence suggests the WB has even hinted at any Superman Returns sequel going foward? Any info we've heard about development has come from producers and writers, which is about as important a source as a dead chicken.

The only drop of info from the studio has been a few simple words from the studio head that talked about him needing to see a script and budget before any decision is made. How is that pushing MOS foward?

It does seem however that JL is quickly moving ahead.

I agree that JLA is going forward, but that in itself really doesn't mean much. They are casting right now.

 

[nintendo nerd]

I don't think anyone thinks WB is pushing MOS into production. What tiny shred of evidence suggests the WB has even hinted at any Superman Returns sequel going foward? Any info we've heard about development has come from producers and writers, which is about as important a source as a dead chicken.

The only drop of info from the studio has been a few simple words from the studio head that talked about him needing to see a script and budget before any decision is made. How is that pushing MOS foward?

It does seem however that JL is quickly moving ahead.

Of course you don't think WB is pushing MOS. You hated SR. I insist are you and Buggsy related?

 

[matthooper]

Of course you don't think WB is pushing MOS. You hated SR. I insist are you and Buggsy related?

My post had nothing to do with my displike for SR. The question was is WB pushing foward with both films. There is no evidence that MOS is anywhere near production. The only word from the studio head himself was that he is taking a WAIT AND SEE approach. That's a fact, not conjecture. That article was posted here on SHH. The studio head simply said he will wait for a script and budget. So nothing yet on a SR sequel, that's a fact.


WB has not given one word that a Superman Returns sequel is happening. On the other hand, JL has not had anything official yet either. However, you can't argue that it appears that JL is further ahead. There is a script and director attached as well as a producer and casting is apparently underway.

Now I ask you, since I only gave facts, how does my dislike for Superman Returns factor in one bit?

Give me all your facts that the studio has said they are definately moving ahead with a sequel.

 

[Showtime]

Why do you bother posting? You obviously either don't read, or refuse to comprehend what you read. My post had nothing to do with my displike for SR. The question was is WB pushing foward with both films. There is no evidence that MOS is anywhere near production. The only word from the studio head himself was that he is taking a WAIT AND SEE approach. That's a fact, not conjecture. That article was posted here on SHH. The studio head simply said he will wait for a script and budget. So nothing yet on a SR sequel, that's a fact.


WB has not given one word that a Superman Returns sequel is happening. On the other hand, JL has not had anything official yet either. However, you can't argue that it appears that JL is further ahead. There is a script and director attached as well as a producer and casting is apparently underway.

Now I ask you, since I only gave facts, how does my dislike for Superman Returns factor in one bit?

Well...as you said nothing official has been announced on either front. JLA has yet to announce the director and from what we have heard there is as script for MOS now as well.

I think JLA is happening, I am just wondering about a timeline.

 

[matthooper]

Well...as you said nothing official has been announced on either front. JLA has yet to announce the director and from what we have heard there is as script for MOS now as well.

I think JLA is happening, I am just wondering about a timeline.

I agree, nothing is 100% happening on either front. The question was are they pushing ahead with both films. The answer at this point is obviously no. Whether you are a SR lover or hater, the answer is still the same. When the studio head says he is taking a wait and see approach on SR2, what more can be said?

It appears that JL is further ahead, but they both could be illusions.

By the way, I'd love to see a good Superman Returns sequel. I think the studio and filmmakers have already commented on correcting their errors.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I think that it is completely impossible to determine which film will win out for 2009.

Development wise, the Man of Steel is much further ahead since there is now a script (whether or not it is approved is not yet known), it has a cast, it has sets already built from it thanks to the last Superman movie. In the end it would be a cheaper film to make than Justice League of America. Also, Singer's schedule is no longer fully booked since he's now off Logan's Run and The Mayor of Castro Street. He can fully go on Man of Steel once Valkrye is done, which will be soon.

However, Justice League has been gaining a lot of traction for development. A casting director, a script, George Miller's on board even though he hasn't been announced.

It's a wait and see. I think anyone who says that either Man of Steel or Justice League of America will get made over the other and is wrong, is going to eat a whole lot of crow (here's looking at buggs, matthooper, excel, and nintendo nerd)

 

[Showtime]

I agree, nothing is 100% happening on either front. The question was are they pushing ahead with both films. The answer at this point is obviously no. Whether you are a SR lover or hater, the answer is still the same. When the studio head says he is taking a wait and see approach on SR2, what more can be said?

It appears that JL is further ahead, but they both could be illusions.

By the way, I'd love to see a good Superman Returns sequel. I think the studio and filmmakers have already commented on correcting their errors.

Most websites are reporting they are both going forward, Singer has a team working on the script, storyboards, and now concept art. Rob at IESB has been told they are both happening, I believe the same goes for Steve Younis at Supermanhomepage. Does that mean they are both happening, no.

We can only go by what is official, which is nothing at this point. It's a big twisted mess with reports. Hopefully WB will make an announcement of some kind at some point.

In regards to the sequel, I was listening to the interviews from Saturn and Dan Harris made a comment about listening to the fans, correcting things, and taking criticism.

 

[matthooper]

Most websites are reporting they are both going forward, Singer has a team working on the script, storyboards, and now concept art. Rob at IESB has been told they are both happening, I believe the same goes for Steve Younis at Supermanhomepage. Does that mean they are both happening, no.

We can only go by what is official, which is nothing at this point. It's a big twisted mess with reports. Hopefully WB will make an announcement of some kind at some point.

In regards to the sequel, I was listening to the interviews from Saturn and Dan Harris made a comment about listening to the fans, correcting things, and taking criticism.

The only thing we know for a fact about any Returns sequel is what we heard from the studio head. He was waiting for a script and budget and then he would decide. That is all we've actually heard, and that is the only decision that matters.

Any website that posts rumors is a joke. Any idiot can dupe another idiot. It happens all the time.

We know nothing yet. So basically we're all in the dark. For projects this big, don't you think something would be official. It's just odd.

 

[Showtime]

The only thing we know for a fact about any Returns sequel is what we heard from the studio head. He was waiting for a script and budget and then he would decide. That is all we've actually heard, and that is the only decision that matters.

Any website that posts rumors is a joke. Any idiot can dupe another idiot. It happens all the time.

We know nothing yet. So basically we're all in the dark. For projects this big, don't you think something would be official. It's just odd.

Does that mean we know more about MOS officially than JLA.

You're right, we are all in the dark.

 

[Closerframe]

I think JLA will come in 2009 and MOS for 2010. It seems DC is trying to win a race with Marvel movies that has no end to it. Marvel is waiting paitently for JLA to be released for them to start on the Avengers..

 

[matthooper]

Does that mean we know more about MOS officially than JLA.

Ofiicially...yes, you're right. We know from the WB studio head he is waiting for a SR2 script and budget and only then he will decide whether to greenlight. With JLA, officially, we know nothing.

 

[Showtime]

Ofiicially...yes, you're right. We know from the WB studio head he is waiting for a SR2 script and budget and only then he will decide whether to greenlight. With JLA, officially, we know nothing.

This is getting just a bit aggrevated, luckily we have lives...

 

[Matt]

No, I think it will be one or the other. Like I said numerous times, green lighting two, 200 million + budgeted films, with no guarantee either will succeed and no past success for either one, is the type of thing that kills careers if they both bomb or even disappoint.

 

[Matt]

Ofiicially...yes, you're right. We know from the WB studio head he is waiting for a SR2 script and budget and only then he will decide whether to greenlight. With JLA, officially, we know nothing.

We do know Warners COMMISSIONED writers to do multiple (at least two) drafts of a JLA movie.

 

[Matt]

I think JLA will come in 2009 and MOS for 2010. It seems DC is trying to win a race with Marvel movies that has no end to it. Marvel is waiting paitently for JLA to be released for them to start on the Avengers..

The Avengers will be an unprecedented disaster. JLA is full of iconic heroes the public knows through pop culture. Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, the Flash, and Aquaman are all incredibly well known throughout the culture.

With the Avengers, the only two who enjoy mainstream knowledge are Captain America and Hulk. Hulk probably won't be in it due to studio conflicts, so that leaves you with Captain America and a bunch of people the general public is typically unfamiliar with (Thor, Wasp, Hawkeye, Black Widow, Giant Man, etc). I'm not sure how Iron Man will fit in as I'm not sure if Fox owns the rights to the Avengers or not, but if it isn't Fox, he is out. He could get some mainstream popularity...but even if he does...it is Iron Man, Captain America, and a bunch of no names. Not exactly the best way to sell a movie. JLA works because of the icons which is exactly what will sink Avengers.

 

[bgshw44]

No, I think it will be one or the other. Like I said numerous times, green lighting two, 200 million + budgeted films, with no guarantee either will succeed and no past success for either one, is the type of thing that kills careers if they both bomb or even disappoint.

there is risk associated with any new franchise. A SR sequel is a pretty safe bet at 175 million to make money, especially with a guy who has a track record of bringing people to the box office.

JLA has the potential to be huge, and the suits need to decide if the risk is worth the reward. I think it is, especially if they were willing to give Poseidon 150 milllion. Plus, they are only going HALF into these movies with Legendary Pictures.

To me this is a no brainer. Harry Potter is running out, you need to establish these new franchises. Take your time on JLA to do it right. Push HP back to winter 2010 and have JLA come out in the summer. MOS is a safe investment for 2009, a proven director,a proven marketable and popular character.

 

[Matt]

there is risk associated with any new franchise. A SR sequel is a pretty safe bet at 175 million to make money, especially with a guy who has a track record of bringing people to the box office.

The movie isn't a guarantee. The general public did not react to the original, and Singer isn't proven of being a block buster director. An average popcorn flick hit director, yes. But not a blockbuster, which is what Warners needs.

JLA has the potential to be huge, and the suits need to decide if the risk is worth the reward. I think it is, especially if they were willing to give Poseidon 150 milllion. Plus, they are only going HALF into these movies with Legendary Pictures.

To me this is a no brainer. Harry Potter is running out, you need to establish these new franchises. Take your time on JLA to do it right. Push HP back to winter 2010 and have JLA come out in the summer. MOS is a safe investment for 2009, a proven director,a proven marketable and popular character.

Yes, they COULD be huge. But MOS is hardly a safe bet after SR's numbers and JLA is a huge risk. If they were both made and both disappointed, the following monday you would see letters of resignation from everyone ranging from Alan Horne and Dan Lin to the guy who works in the mail room. Share holders would demand a total regime change...and no one at Warners will have the balls to risk their careers like that.

 

[bgshw44]

The movie isn't a guarantee. The general public did not react to the original, and Singer isn't proven of being a block buster director. An average popcorn flick hit director, yes. But not a blockbuster, which is what Warners needs.



Yes, they COULD be huge. But MOS is hardly a safe bet after SR's numbers and JLA is a huge risk. If they were both made and both disappointed, the following monday you would see letters of resignation from everyone ranging from Alan Horne and Dan Lin to the guy who works in the mail room. Share holders would demand a total regime change...and no one at Warners will have the balls to risk their careers like that.

These movies are being co financed, also any blockbuster movie costs money so I do not see why that is a factor.

 

[Matt]

These movies are being co financed, also any blockbuster movie costs money so I do not see why that is a factor.

You're right, Legendary's execs would be sacked too.

the cost is a factor because it is banking two huge budget movies starring the same character whose previous movie brought in at best a couple million in profit. It just isn't a risk worth taking. It is common business logic.

 

[Showtime]

Legendary decides which movies they want to finance, they could say no to JLA and/or MOS. Although Superman 2 is listed on their site as being in development.

 

[hippie_hunter]

The Avengers will be an unprecedented disaster. JLA is full of iconic heroes the public knows through pop culture. Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, the Flash, and Aquaman are all incredibly well known throughout the culture.

I don't think that the Avengers will be a disaster. See below.

With the Avengers, the only two who enjoy mainstream knowledge are Captain America and Hulk. Hulk probably won't be in it due to studio conflicts, so that leaves you with Captain America and a bunch of people the general public is typically unfamiliar with (Thor, Wasp, Hawkeye, Black Widow, Giant Man, etc). I'm not sure how Iron Man will fit in as I'm not sure if Fox owns the rights to the Avengers or not, but if it isn't Fox, he is out. He could get some mainstream popularity...but even if he does...it is Iron Man, Captain America, and a bunch of no names. Not exactly the best way to sell a movie. JLA works because of the icons which is exactly what will sink Avengers.

Actually, it's certain that the Avengers film will indeed include Iron Man, Thor, Captain America. Hulk is a strong possibility.

Last year Marvel got the film rights to Iron Man back from New Line. Thor, Luke Cage, and Dr. Strange back from Sony. Shang-Chi back from Dreamworks. Hulk back from Universal. And Captain America, Black Panther, the Power Pack, Iron Fist, and Ant-Man from Lion's Gate. They also set up production for characters such as Cloak and Dagger, Nick Fury, and Hawkeye.

The first film will be Iron Man. Then the Incredible Hulk. Followed by Thor. And then Captain America or Ant-Man.

Instead of getting third party studios to do all the work and get most of the profit, Marvel has set up their own studio with Paramount distributing all of their films except for the Incredible Hulk (which is distributed by Universal). Marvel owns the rights. Marvel will get all of the profit.
The Avengers movie? That's going to get built up by the Iron Man, Captain America, and Thor movies. They will be in the movie for sure. Hulk is a strong possibility. I'd imagine that they'd put Ant-Man, Wasp, and Hawkeye in too. The public will have a general idea who most of the characters are due to movies will be made first before the ensemble.