Dominique Thorne is Ironheart

[psylockolussus]

Aka Riri Williams.

Behold the new Iron Man in Wakanda Forever, and soon to headline her own Disney+ original series!

 

[Iceman]

I hope she really impresses on her debut. I want her show to be good and get early interest from her role here.

 

[psylockolussus]

Itlooks like her first scene is with Shuri and Okoye in her room.

 

[Iceman]

Is it going to be a cameo or a decent role?

 

[psylockolussus]

Is it going to be a cameo or a decent role?

It looks like a supporting role since she got a character poster. Probably similar to Spider-Man in Civil War. Not a very big role but a substantial role and important for the spin off solo.

 

[Iceman]

It looks like a supporting role since she got a character poster. Probably similar to Spider-Man in Civil War. Not a very big role but a substantial role and important for the spin off solo.

Oh good, that sounds decent to me. Hope she makes a good impression.

 

[TheVileOne]

She's there throughout the film and does fine. She didn't blow me away or anything, but it's mainly an introduction for Riri Williams. However, the way she's introduced still sort of confuses me and wasn't well thought out.

 

[OroroGambitFan]

I thought she was a great addition and my audience really r responded to her-- she got the most laughs! I thought she blended in nicely with the rest of the cast -- most important she left me wanting more! I had zero excitement for her Ironheart show but after watching her in this in like-- LETS GOO!!

 

[legendkillin]

Yep this was a great intro to build interest in the show. I was probably going to watch it due to the likely connection with Armor Wars and all but now I am actually looking forward to it.

 

[Another_Fool]

Really dug Dominique as Riri. She's got the charisma. I do think the film could've done a better job to weave Riri into the plot a little more organically but Thorne's performance really carries it.

 

[Iceman]

Really dug Dominique as Riri. She's got the charisma. I do think the film could've done a better job to weave Riri into the plot a little more organically but Thorne's performance really carries it.

I thought it was a good intro with a lot more screentime than I expected. Agreed that it could have been done more organically though.

 

[Tg11]

With her becoming the new Iron Man essentially how long before she ends up recruited as an Avenger

 

[metaphysician]

I'd say "a long time", because she's a long way from becoming the next Iron Man.

Spoiler

Note that her own work on her own was good, but it wasn't really that much better than Peter Parker's. The finale suit involved cribbing a lot off Wakandan tech. She's a 'beginner level' supergenius basically, not someone whose going to be hauling out AIs and global drone swarms and nanotech weaponry of her own capacity anytime soon.

I could see her joining the Young Avengers when something like that happens, though, and I'm kind of interested to see her getting into "science vs magic" shenanigans in her own show.

 

[TheVileOne]

Can anyone explain?

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I may have missed it, but how did the US government get Riri Williams' vibranium machine? Did she sell it to them by accident not realizing who they were? The plans were on her computer which is like infinity encrypted and she even locked herself out for months that's how difficult it was to unlock.

Also, how is she even able to return home at the end? The feds wanted her in custody. The US government was ready to go in and destabilize Wakanda. Like none of that got addressed or resolved at all. Not to mention Contessa is the Director of the CIA now and she is clearly not friendly to Wakanda or Riri Williams.

 

[The Duh]

Can anyone explain?

Spoiler

I may have missed it, but how did the US government get Riri Williams' vibranium machine? Did she sell it to them by accident not realizing who they were? The plans were on her computer which is like infinity encrypted and she even locked herself out for months that's how difficult it was to unlock.

Also, how is she even able to return home at the end? The feds wanted her in custody. The US government was ready to go in and destabilize Wakanda. Like none of that got addressed or resolved at all. Not to mention Contessa is the Director of the CIA now and she is clearly not friendly to Wakanda or Riri Williams.

Riri stated that she made the vibranium machine specifically for her class as a "school project", all because she was told that there was no way she could make something like that. She did not expect it to be taken and used for more sinister means.

As for the second bit, definitely uncertain about. I assume that'll be addressed in the Ironheart show.

 

[TheVileOne]

Riri stated that she made the vibranium machine specifically for her class as a "school project", all because she was told that there was no way she could make something like that. She did not expect it to be taken and used for more sinister means.

Spoiler

So if the US government got ahold of it and stole it from MIT, how could they not have already reverse-engineered and remade it again?

As for the second bit, definitely uncertain about. I assume that'll be addressed in the Ironheart show.

They could've also addressed it in the 2-hour 41-minute movie.

 

[The Duh]

Spoiler

So if the US government got ahold of it and stole it from MIT, how could they not have already reverse-engineered and remade it again?

They could've also addressed it in the 2-hour 41-minute movie.

The scene depicting the team hunting for Vibranium in the ocean has one of them saying that the machine is the only one they got, heavily implying that it's their first time using it and it's a test run to gauge its effectiveness. It's possible that they would've considered reverse engineering it once the machine proved its potential in locating Vibranium outside of Wakanda, its flaws aside (the machine is shown as being rather power intensive and shuts itself off, so reproducing the machine might probably need a little more thought than just remaking it as is no matter how valuable it may be in detecting Vibranium).

As for Riri, I get your complaint, but they don't show a scene of Riri returning to the US (only that she's preparing to leave Wakanda). I would think that it would be pretty hard for the US to ignore that Riri was explicitly shown attacking FBI agents and got kidnapped by Wakanda (they'll assume it's Wakanda since they're unaware of Talocan), but addressing the whole ramifications of that at the end is probably a little bit too much. The movie is long enough as it is.

 

[TheVileOne]

The scene depicting the team hunting for Vibranium in the ocean has one of them saying that the machine is the only one they got, heavily implying that it's their first time using it and it's a test run to gauge its effectiveness. It's possible that they would've considered reverse engineering it once the machine proved its potential in locating Vibranium outside of Wakanda, its flaws aside (the machine is shown as being rather power intensive and shuts itself off, so reproducing the machine might probably need a little more thought than just remaking it as is no matter how valuable it may be in detecting Vibranium).

As for Riri, I get your complaint, but they don't show a scene of Riri returning to the US (only that she's preparing to leave Wakanda). I would think that it would be pretty hard for the US to ignore that Riri was explicitly shown attacking FBI agents and got kidnapped by Wakanda (they'll assume it's Wakanda since they're unaware of Talocan), but addressing the whole ramifications of that at the end is probably a little bit too much. The movie is long enough as it is.

Spoiler

You can't just set up that the US government wants to take military action against Wakanda, cause destabilization, arrest their one and only ally in the CIA and not follow up on it.

 

[metaphysician]

Eh, seems easy enough to deal with vis a vis diplomatic haggling. "So, do you want to publicly reveal that you tried to arrest a college student for the crime of 'Being near to a couple diplomatic status Wakandans'? No? I didn't think so." The whole affair is at least as legally embarassing for the US as Wakanda, its better to brush it under the rug.

 

[psylockolussus]

She was okay, but she didn't really need to be in a Black Panther movie.

 

[Frodo]

She was okay, but she didn't really need to be in a Black Panther movie.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Iceman]

With her becoming the new Iron Man essentially how long before she ends up recruited as an Avenger

Probably going to head straight into Young Avengers. Although the next Avengers films feel like wider MCU event films beyond just Avengers, particularly Secret Wars, so no surprise if she appears in those.

 

[metaphysician]

She was okay, but she didn't really need to be in a Black Panther movie.

I think the better question would be "What benefit would be had by *not* using her?" Note that a lot of the first act action revolves around "the inventor of the vibranium detector" as a macguffin, and specifically a macguffin who is a person ( that the heroic cast would feel obligated to protect ). If you didn't use Riri, you'd either have to use someone else who serves the exact same role as Riri, or else you would need to completely rewrite most of the first act. And if you go with the former, then essentially the result is that you actually *do* need Riri in the movie, unless you can think of a different character who would suit the role better.

 

[psylockolussus]

I think the better question would be "What benefit would be had by *not* using her?" Note that a lot of the first act action revolves around "the inventor of the vibranium detector" as a macguffin, and specifically a macguffin who is a person ( that the heroic cast would feel obligated to protect ). If you didn't use Riri, you'd either have to use someone else who serves the exact same role as Riri, or else you would need to completely rewrite most of the first act. And if you go with the former, then essentially the result is that you actually *do* need Riri in the movie, unless you can think of a different character who would suit the role better.

Or come up with a different plot that would justify Namor going after Wakanda.

 

[metaphysician]

Or come up with a different plot that would justify Namor going after Wakanda.

Well yes, that's what I mean by "a complete rewrite". Its just, a complete rewrite is just that, a complete rewrite- a *major*, grueling effort. You need a lot more to justify that kind of labor than "We might be able to write out one supporting character whose not tightly tied to the main dramatic arc".