Donna Brazile admits the DNC acted as an arm of Hillary's campaign and why

[Chance Jackson]

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774

Whether you believe the rational justifies the smoke and mirror show is up to you

I and several others have shared articles that came to many of these conclusions by investigating discrepancies during the primaries only to be gaslighted by clinton partisans and media allies but now you have party officials admitting wrong doing, whether that be this article, or the NY board of elections admitting to illegal voter roll purges of 200K voters or DNC lawyers claiming in court that they have the right to run smoke and mirrors primaries


This is not an "I told you so" this is a "we can never let this happen again" to that end the unity commission will be suggesting a rule change to The Rules Committee that at least the executive committee should be privy to the DNC budget which prompted current chair Tom Perez to remove all Bernie/Ellison backers from important committees including The Rules AND The Executive committees so any hope for reform hinges on Perez et all getting thrown out

 

[Thundercrack85]

If these is one upside - and only one upside - of this whole 2016 debacle, it's the fact that Hillary Clinton will finally go away. And not a moment to soon.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Pretty sure Matt has said it best (multiple times) the DNC/RNC are private organizations and are not beholden to anyone, including, but not limited to other registered party members. Do I think what they did is wrong and BS, sure do. End of the day all we can do is get out and vote, specifically in our state primaries, midterms, and the GE.

If this election doesn't prove that every single vote matters then we will be doomed to repeat this nonsense until this nation falls. When Americans wanted to voting age to be lowered to 18 it happened pretty damn quick because people got involved in the process.

If you didn't vote and were legally allowed to do so then you don't get to complain about anything as far as I'm concerned.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Politico - Sanders campaign inks joint fundraising pact with DNC

https://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/bernie-sanders-2016-fundraising-dnc-215559

The DNC is blown out of proportion by the far left as this powerful bogeyman (it's not) and only if it didn't exist or x and y and z Bernard the non-Democrat would've won.

Guess what else? The DNC had zero to do with how I voted in 2016. Which wasn't for Sanders.

Brazille is just sucking up to those people now. She'd be sucking up to Hillary Clinton if she won.

 

[Hypestyle]

bless her heart. Might as well be honest, hee-hee... I hope she goes on a tour, I may pick this up.

More has to be done for voter registration and combating these idiotic "anti-voter fraud" initiatives, which have no real proof of any widespread fraud (or even narrow-spread fraud)... So many Dems co-sign on the goofier narratives for the sake of appearing reasonable to the hardline conservative culture, and wonder why there's still apathy among folks who might otherwise be inclined to vote for more DNC candidates..

Fixing the gerrymandering at the state level should be another priority for the 2020 census-- there should be a nonpartisan group that draws up the districts-- shouldn't be in the hands of the sitting governor/legislature, regardless of "red" or "blue" lean..

The DNC has to do a hell of a lot better outreach at the local level, state level and national level- get out of the pockets of major corporate donors just because it's the easiest or the opposition party does it, or gets "pragmatic", etc., being all in for Wall Street/hedge-fund Dems hasn't reached most grassroots folks interests.. only if you're already caking it in a major way do you get much in the way of tactile public policy benefits..


Oh, and Mrs. C isn't going anywhere, lol.. she'll still fundraise, etc., endorse some candidates in the mid-terms, and whether she runs for Prez again, who knows.. stay tuned, as the cliche' goes.. If she does run again, I won't be outraged, just unfazed. Nice lady and all that, but neither she nor Sanders are the saviors that so many people propped them up to be-- People have to be engaged with bolder ideas regardless of the "practical" interpretation, considering the off-the-cliff reactionary policy that steadily comes from the conservative culture. I'm done with nonsense and I'm done with trying to appease anybody's interests but my own.

 

[Silvermoth]

I think a lot of people wanted Hillary to win as quickly as possible so she had time to get ready to tackle trump. Trump sailed through his election as republican candidate and people were getting worried and starting to see bernie as more of an annoyance than a feasible candidate with good ideas.

Obviously that turned out to be wrong but at the time everyone though Hillary had it in the bag. Hindsight is 20/20

 

[Hypestyle]

^^uhh.... same rogue Twitter employee?

 

[JewishHobbit]

Honestly though... is anybody surprised?

I think the more shocking thing (for me anyway) is her unveiling that Obama's administration ran the DNC's finances into the ground allowing for this to happen. Not only did the National Debt skyrocket under Obama's watch, but he drove the DNC into massive debt as well. If I were a Democrat, I'd be furious. Heck, I'm angry about it as a Republican. Their people depend on their party's leadership to speak for them in Washington and they essentially bankrupt it? That's not only fiscally irresponsible, but irresponsible for the future of their party over all. Future generations. Voters deserve better than that.

 

[MaceB]

Honestly though... is anybody surprised?
Not only did the National Debt skyrocket under Obama's watch, but he drove the DNC into massive debt as well.

I disagree with this on a lot of levels. I don't think it's appropriate to blame Obama for passing stimulus in order to get us out of W's mess. That's clearly what happened, and it clearly worked. The economy was in free fall, and stimulus corrected the situation. Blame Obama if you want for that, but the economic collapse wasn't on him, the recovery was.. and he did a great job.
Also, The Democrats have only themselves to blame. President Obama showed Democrats how to fight for their ideals... how to be a cause driven party. The DNC didn't back him. We got into an elongated fight about Obamacare because the Dems couldn't defend their own property. It was pathetic. And now... after Obama had to do so much on his own, including making millions for his own campaigns, the DNC wants to blame Obama for not having their back. Please. Obama's first term was a nightmare because he didn't have the full support of his party.

If I were a Democrat, I'd be furious. Heck, I'm angry about it as a Republican. Their people depend on their party's leadership to speak for them in Washington and they essentially bankrupt it? That's not only fiscally irresponsible, but irresponsible for the future of their party over all. Future generations. Voters deserve better than that.

Honestly, as a Democrat, I'm much more angry that they gave the keys to Hillary and bullied Bernie Sanders out of the way. I think Bernie Sanders should have legal grounds here to sue the DNC. He could make the argument that the DNC cost him the presidency.... and perhaps much more, depending on how bad a train wreck the Trump administration ends up to be.
In terms of being bankrupt, I hope that the Democratic Party takes this as an opportunity to learn. They haven't been in sync with their base for a long time. Their leadership style comes across as "we know best, so do what we want," instead of "let's do this together." And their voters can see that. I'm not a fan of the Republican Party, but I'll give them this... they listen to their voters. They are a reflection of their voters. It's time that the DNC had the guts to do the same. If the DNC actually fought for causes that matter to their voters (ala campaign finance reform, tax reform, anti war agenda, universal care, etc), then I imagine fundraising wouldn't be as much of a problem for them.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I disagree with this on a lot of levels. I don't think it's appropriate to blame Obama for passing stimulus in order to get us out of W's mess. That's clearly what happened, and it clearly worked. The economy was in free fall, and stimulus corrected the situation. Blame Obama if you want for that, but the economic collapse wasn't on him, the recovery was.. and he did a great job.

I'm under no illusion that Bush didn't help get that debt rolling, but it's silly to blame him soley for the scope of debt that arrived under Obama. But I'm no expert on the subject and will happily concede.

Also, The Democrats have only themselves to blame. President Obama showed Democrats how to fight for their ideals... how to be a cause driven party. The DNC didn't back him. We got into an elongated fight about Obamacare because the Dems couldn't defend their own property. It was pathetic. And now... after Obama had to do so much on his own, including making millions for his own campaigns, the DNC wants to blame Obama for not having their back. Please. Obama's first term was a nightmare because he didn't have the full support of his party.

I probably should have worded my initial point better. I didn't intend to put it all on Obama. I was speaking of Democrat leaders overall. And with how you describe Obama's first term, it's sounding a lot like what Trump's going through with the Republican party right now.

Honestly, as a Democrat, I'm much more angry that they gave the keys to Hillary and bullied Bernie Sanders out of the way. I think Bernie Sanders should have legal grounds here to sue the DNC. He could make the argument that the DNC cost him the presidency.... and perhaps much more, depending on how bad a train wreck the Trump administration ends up to be.
In terms of being bankrupt, I hope that the Democratic Party takes this as an opportunity to learn. They haven't been in sync with their base for a long time. Their leadership style comes across as "we know best, so do what we want," instead of "let's do this together." And their voters can see that. I'm not a fan of the Republican Party, but I'll give them this... they listen to their voters. They are a reflection of their voters. It's time that the DNC had the guts to do the same. If the DNC actually fought for causes that matter to their voters (ala campaign finance reform, tax reform, anti war agenda, universal care, etc), then I imagine fundraising wouldn't be as much of a problem for them.

I completely agree with this. I know people around here have me pegged as some far-right Trump-loving nut job, but that's not even remotely close. I lean right, yes, but I'm far closer to center than I'm not and would be willing to cross that party line if I felt a candidate or party presented the best argument or ideas for the country (or state or city, etc.). I did when Obama was first elected and was open to being convinced during this past election. But what I saw from the DNC was just disgusting. Now I wouldn't have ever voted for Bernie because I just can't get down with socialism, but how the DNC handled that situation was horrible. I doubt he would have beaten Trump anyway... but would someone like Biden have run if not for this arrangement between Hillary and the DNC? I certainly think Biden could have won.

Anyway... I think the DNC has a lot of work to do to become a respectable party again (leadership anyway... joe shmoe Democrat from Illinois or wherever is fine). Everyone assumes that there's tons of corruption in politics, but the DNC is sadly becoming the poster child (no matter how much they want Trump to be). In my opinion, they need to really ditch the Clintons. Then they need to change leadership starting at the top to distance themselves from all the negativity that the party is currently getting. Then, in my opinion, stop pushing the party so distantly left because they're going to start losing those in the center who could go either way. You're not gaining voters with the trans-bathroom issue. Trust me. There will be more like me who once considered themselves open-minded Independents, but who officially jump the fence into joining the Republican party full fledged. I may not agree with everything the Republicans stand for, but I agree with them on more than what the Democrats are offering me. And I think their lack of fund raising is a sign that I'm right.

 

[Chance Jackson]

Politico - Sanders campaign inks joint fundraising pact with DNC

https://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/bernie-sanders-2016-fundraising-dnc-215559

The DNC is blown out of proportion by the far left as this powerful bogeyman (it's not) and only if it didn't exist or x and y and z Bernard the non-Democrat would've won.

Guess what else? The DNC had zero to do with how I voted in 2016. Which wasn't for Sanders.

Brazille is just sucking up to those people now. She'd be sucking up to Hillary Clinton if she won.

This is incredibly Naive it's not the Joint Funding that is the problem thatp art of the story is just motive for why the DNC would cede all control to clinton, it is control over the whole party body politic starting with Tim Kaine stepping down so DWS could be installed to the full blown control of the DNC by the Clinton Campaign in 2015 including:

-All clandestine collusion between HillaryDNC and Media partners CNN, MSNBC et all, I'm talking about Giving Sanders half the coverage of Hillary and the other contestants even less.
*Inevitability talking point
*single issue candidate talking point
*gaslighting on identity politics issues(Perez transforming Bernie winning latinos in Nevada into Bernie only does well with white people and HARVEY WEINSTEIN URGED CLINTON CAMPAIGN TO SILENCE SANDERS’S BLACK LIVES MATTER MESSAGE which is compounded by the control of party and collusion with media)
The only reason why Bernie was able to compete is because his message resonated regardless of media attempts to stamp it out

-This deserves it own section, collusion as revealed by wikileaks with regards to the now infamous Pied Piper Strategy in which HillaryDNC had their media partners treat crackpot extremists like trump and cruz as legitimate so as to push them to the top of the pack this strategy also started in a memo sent to media partners in 2015


-Objectively Illegal electioneering by Bill at multiple polling places in Massachusetts

-Illegal voter roll purging by the election board of New York and who knows where else

-Intentionally terrible debate schedule, few debates and what few they were aired against sports. after all this is a coronation not a proper contest!

-Closed Primaries that give the party apparatchiks greater control over primaries so when you have one candidate in control of the whole party it magnifies the effect. Hell in New York you would have had to have been registered as Dem before the first debate even happened in ordered to vote in that primary


Perhaps it is fair to say that you probably would have voted for clinton anyways for unknowable reasons but if Sanders could win 23 states with this many disadvantages against him there is no way he would have lost a fair and free primary. So i'll let you do your 7 stages

 

[Chance Jackson]

Pretty sure Matt has said it best (multiple times) the DNC/RNC are private organizations and are not beholden to anyone, including, but not limited to other registered party members. Do I think what they did is wrong and BS, sure do. End of the day all we can do is get out and vote, specifically in our state primaries, midterms, and the GE.

this seems deflationary to be honest

If this election doesn't prove that every single vote matters then we will be doomed to repeat this nonsense until this nation falls. When Americans wanted to voting age to be lowered to 18 it happened pretty damn quick because people got involved in the process.

in terms of popular vote literally the opposite was proved and many of the people who voted for Hillary despised her

If you didn't vote and were legally allowed to do so then you don't get to complain about anything as far as I'm concerned.

Most people can't vote on elements of how the DNC is run, and independents can't vote in closed primaries once the deadline has past, and with regards to how the DNC handled this past primary and what tom perez did to undermine the Unity and Reform committee voted against the apparatchiks would have no impact anyways.

Imo Tom Perez and his ilk need to step down and gtfo

 

[Sithborg]

Frankly, I am kind of growing annoyed at having to use public resources for the political parties infighting.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Honestly though... is anybody surprised?

I think the more shocking thing (for me anyway) is her unveiling that Obama's administration ran the DNC's finances into the ground allowing for this to happen. Not only did the National Debt skyrocket under Obama's watch, but he drove the DNC into massive debt as well. If I were a Democrat, I'd be furious. Heck, I'm angry about it as a Republican. Their people depend on their party's leadership to speak for them in Washington and they essentially bankrupt it? That's not only fiscally irresponsible, but irresponsible for the future of their party over all. Future generations. Voters deserve better than that.

Do you understand the difference between the debt and the deficit? Serious question. Obama considerably lowered the deficit.

 

[chaseter]

Private organizations shouldn’t be running public, democratic elections. The End.

 

[chaseter]

Do you understand the difference between the debt and the deficit? Serious question. Obama considerably lowered the deficit.

The economy grew, thus lowering the deficit. The deficit is meaningless if you are still adding debt. The deficit changes each FY. The debt keeps piling on. This is a tactic to make Bill Clinton look better. Bill did lower the deficits but he still added to the debt. Every President adds to the debt and eventually, we will default and the global economy will collapse. Trump’s mistake is lowering taxes in a boom cycle.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

The economy grew, thus lowering the deficit. The deficit is meaningless if you are still adding debt. The deficit changes each FY. The debt keeps piling on. This is a tactic to make Bill Clinton look better. Bill did lower the deficits but he still added to the debt.

Chasey, my boy, you and I both know damn well the government could choose to pay off the national debt in less than 2 years if it wanted to. That's not how economies work though. Debt and lending are an essential part of how countries do business which makes the whole anti-globalist Trump supporting idiots all the more laughable as we have been globally intertwined for a long, long time now.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Talking Points Memo - Donna Brazile Needs to Back Up Her Self-Serving Claims

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/donna-brazile-needs-to-back-up-her-self-serving-claims

Let's also talk about getting rid of the caucus system where Bernard got disproportional support and replacing them with democratic primaries.

 

[chaseter]

Chasey, my boy, you and I both know damn well the government could choose to pay off the national debt in less than 2 years if it wanted to. That's not how economies work though. Debt and lending are an essential part of how countries do business which makes the whole anti-globalist Trump supporting idiots all the more laughable as we have been globally intertwined for a long, long time now.

Our national debt is 20 trillion. Our 2016 GDP was 18 trillion. We can’t pay off our debt as it stands but to pay it off in 2 years as you suggest would mean no government spending...which would end our Country. We will never pay off our debt.

You are correct in that global lending is part of the global economy but what happens when a country can’t cover interest payments? They default, the lender loses money, and their debt is restructured as punitive damages against their taxpayers. It’s a house of cards that will eventually collapse. You can’t keep borrowing and borrowing and it’s very troubling when debt surpasses GDP.

It will eventually happen though I’m no expert to claim when.

 

[Hypestyle]

I disagree with this on a lot of levels. I don't think it's appropriate to blame Obama for passing stimulus in order to get us out of W's mess. That's clearly what happened, and it clearly worked. The economy was in free fall, and stimulus corrected the situation. Blame Obama if you want for that, but the economic collapse wasn't on him, the recovery was.. and he did a great job.
Also, The Democrats have only themselves to blame. President Obama showed Democrats how to fight for their ideals... how to be a cause driven party. The DNC didn't back him. We got into an elongated fight about Obamacare because the Dems couldn't defend their own property. It was pathetic. And now... after Obama had to do so much on his own, including making millions for his own campaigns, the DNC wants to blame Obama for not having their back. Please. Obama's first term was a nightmare because he didn't have the full support of his party.




Honestly, as a Democrat, I'm much more angry that they gave the keys to Hillary and bullied Bernie Sanders out of the way. I think Bernie Sanders should have legal grounds here to sue the DNC. He could make the argument that the DNC cost him the presidency.... and perhaps much more, depending on how bad a train wreck the Trump administration ends up to be.
In terms of being bankrupt, I hope that the Democratic Party takes this as an opportunity to learn. They haven't been in sync with their base for a long time. Their leadership style comes across as "we know best, so do what we want," instead of "let's do this together." And their voters can see that. I'm not a fan of the Republican Party, but I'll give them this... they listen to their voters. They are a reflection of their voters. It's time that the DNC had the guts to do the same. If the DNC actually fought for causes that matter to their voters (ala campaign finance reform, tax reform, anti war agenda, universal care, etc), then I imagine fundraising wouldn't be as much of a problem for them.

I doubt there will be a lawsuit-- the optics would look too ugly, hardline Clintonites would have even more fuel to bash leftish critics with, etc., etc., "it's time to come together" "work to resist the Trump machine", "stand with THE MIDDLE CLASS", (the poor never get brought up), so on and so forth.. Meh.. it is what it is.. In a few months, back to $500-$1000 a plate fundraising get-togethers, and the like.

I've emotionally checked out of having any hope at all for better changes, internally or externally to the party.. Insiders are going to have what they want by default, even if the minimal results keep happening.. whee.. democracy is fun..

 

[JewishHobbit]

Do you understand the difference between the debt and the deficit? Serious question. Obama considerably lowered the deficit.

I know the general idea, though I'm no expert. I think Chase covered a lot of my thoughts on it well enough.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Reddit politics has gone completely insane. Every topic about this is being downvoted with comments saying this is russian propaganda. The DNC and Hilary are perfect. I have even read one comment about how the 'far left and Russia are in cahoots".

These centrist democrats and there Russian obsession is bizarre.

Sounds like just another day in Twitter comment sections.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

https://mobile.twitter.com/scottdetrow/status/926492339987800064 (Scott Detrow @ NPR)

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

Reddit politics has gone completely insane. Every topic about this is being downvoted with comments saying this is russian propaganda. The DNC and Hilary are perfect. I have even read one comment about how the 'far left and Russia are in cahoots".

These centrist democrats and there Russian obsession is bizarre.

It is rather fishy that this is all kicking up once again, just FOUR days away from the Election. It's literally the anniversary of the Comey letter.

 

[MaceB]

I know the general idea, though I'm no expert. I think Chase covered a lot of my thoughts on it well enough.

The deficit is the difference between what the government takes in and the amount of money its spends.. something like 700 billion in 2017. The national debt is our total acquired debt over time... something like 20 trillion dollars.

While the debt increased over Obama, our annual deficit decreased.