Horror Dr. Lecter Invites you to Dinner. The ''Hannibal'' Thread - Part 5

[antsman41]

Not only was it a Siouxsie reunion, but isn't a new song as well?

 

[Roose Bolton]

Yep, world premiere too

 

[KillerMcQueen]

I did have to chuckle when Will said "It does look black in the moonlight" When the blood in the scene looked red as heck, as opposed to the first time we saw Dolarhyde covered in the black looking blood. Not entirely satisfied with this ending, I feel the weird Will/Hannibal Bromance was OTT, the last chance to flesh out Dolarhyde by showing his childhood was missed completely, Hannibal's constant death threats to Alana all season amounted to nothing, making me continue to wonder what purpose she served being made a survivor of last season when all she's done is take on the traits of other characters and use up screentime that could've been used elsewhere. I'm glad they nailed making Dolarhyde intimidating, but I feel this season lacked focus and spent a lot of time on character's of little importance and storylines that went nowhere when they could've used that time elsewhere on things more relevant to the main plotline. They did make the episode something very capable of serving as a series finale, which I can appreciate, but I can't help but be disappointed by all the dangling threads that got abandoned.

 

[TheFuture]

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I found the end oddly satisfying, in fact, one of the more satisfying series finales that I've seen. I think it would have been cheap for either Will or Hannibal to deal the other a deathblow after that thrilling finishing of Dolarhyde.

Well done to Fuller, he built up this bizarre relationship between the 2 and follow throughed with an apt, if admittedly disturbing, climax.

Brilliant ending to a show that lost its way a bit in the final season.

 

[Matt]

I found the end oddly satisfying, in fact, one of the more satisfying series finales that I've seen. I think it would have been cheap for either Will or Hannibal to deal the other a deathblow after that thrilling finishing of Dolarhyde.

Well done to Fuller, he built up this bizarre relationship between the 2 and follow throughed with an apt, if admittedly disturbing, climax.

Brilliant ending to a show that lost its way a bit in the final season.

Or they could've just stuck with the perfect ending of Red Dragon. Will is maimed, Hannibal has essentially left his mark. Will pays the price for his hubris of getting back in and is a left a broken man.

Like I said, this ending felt like bad fan fiction. We are given no payoff for several dangling plot points (Will's family, Jack, Alana, Dolarhyde's backstory, what pushed him over the edge with Reba, etc). All ignored. Instead we get what is essentially bad slash writing. "This is all I ever wanted for you Will....for us." Give me a break. This **** would not pass for good dialogue in a cheesy romance novel. "BUT TEH FUELLER WROTE IT AND ITS ART!" so it gets a pass? Nuh uh.

Also, can I point something out? WILL DIDN'T CATCH DOLARHYDE! You know, in the book, Will actually deduces his identity by following clues. Did anyone notice that didn't happen? The entire Red Dragon investigation is Will going to the victim's house once, flirting with Hannibal, setting up a plot (that he apparently knew would result in Chilton's maiming, even though we have no indication of such...but Hannibal says so and apparently it furthers their pseudo-romance, so whatever), and then having moody conversations with Gillian Anderson (whose character serves no purpose) until Dolarhyde snaps, tries to kill Reba, and that results in everyone just finding out who he is. So the FBI brought Will back to sit with his thumb up his ass and do nothing apparently. Come to think of it, why do they EVER consult with Will? He only learned who the Chesapeake Ripper was because he revealed himself to Will (and then framed him). Will only caught Hobbes because Hannibal told him who it was. Will is a pretty ****** investigator, when you think about it.

This whole arc was just sloppily written. It had no real direction (which is ironic considering it is the one arc of the series that the writers had laid out for them). And all it leads up to is Will, apparently acknowledging his love for Lecter (despite all evidence to the contrary) and then committing suicide. Yawn.

 

[antsman41]

We did...

Jack is going to work at the FBI until he retires. Chilton will basically live in hospice care for the rest of his life. Freddie will continually take advantage of others for stories. Alana/Verger will escape to (I'm guessing) a foreign country with their money and live happily ever after with their son [she doesn't want Hannibal's wrath or Chilton's conscious on her any more]. We don't need more on Reba. And Dolarhyde's backstory was well hinted at, we didn't need it fleshed out considering they didn't retcon anything the book told us so I could see how Fuller treated it with respect without having to go too into it, look at it like Spider-Man in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Also, it's nice for a change to not have the 'detective' win because he's awesome. If anything it's fresh and disheartening that Will didn't save the day... Jack brought him in, and he didn't need him. They just needed to wait for Dolarhyde to peak as TGRD.

Look at Will/Hannibal like an abusive relationship. There are many who never escape the bad because they're blinded by the passion. Even in the moment Will had brought Dolarhyde in to kill Hannibal, Hannibal still saves Will. Will recognized that, above all Hannibal can't live without him... even though Will can't live with him.

Plus, they plot about Will keeping Hannibal's scars was already instilled with the Verger story.

If anything, those scars from Doloarhyde would only remind Will of Hannibal saving him and not trying to kill like his "Dinner Scar".

 

[Matt Mortem]

Eh this show......Went from terrific adaptation to tumblr fan fiction. Pretty disappointed by this last season.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Wait. Am I the only one here who lives in America and has to wait until tonight?

 

[Matt Mortem]

Wait. Am I the only one here who lives in America and has to wait until tonight?

I'm in the US and have to watch it tonight, but I read the spoilery review on IGN.

 

[antsman41]

Wait. Am I the only one here who lives in America and has to wait until tonight?

I live in America and have watched ever episode before midnight on Thursday...

I won't say more than that.

 

[flickchick85]

Wait. Am I the only one here who lives in America and has to wait until tonight?

Nope, I'm waiting 'til tonight as well.

 

[green]

Sooo last week it was unacceptable for someone to have an avatar of a scene before it aired in the US but this week its ok to spill spoilers all over the place without tags before it airs in the US.

hmmmmmmm…...

 

[TheFuture]

Apologies I didn't realise it hadn't aired in places. Spoilers added.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I do wish that we had gotten Dolarhyde's backstory, but I get the feeling that a lot of this season was left on the cutting room floor. Fuller mentioned that Bedelia and Mason Verger would share a scene and that it would be hilarious, but that never eventuated, so maybe the same was true for a lot of the Red Dragon novel.

 

[green]

Apologies I didn't realise it hadn't aired in places. Spoilers added.

Though my comment wasn't exactly geared towards you but someone who should know better…Thanks!

 

[Snow Queen]

I do wish that we had gotten Dolarhyde's backstory, but I get the feeling that a lot of this season was left on the cutting room floor. Fuller mentioned that Bedelia and Mason Verger would share a scene and that it would be hilarious, but that never eventuated, so maybe the same was true for a lot of the Red Dragon novel.

Hopefully they were filmed and end up in the producer's cuts on the blu-ray.

 

[Angelus_Darko]

Eh this show......Went from terrific adaptation to tumblr fan fiction. Pretty disappointed by this last season.

That for me is the last 2 seasons of Orphan Black and the fourth season of Legend of Korra.

 

[Jesse]

Episode 13 "The Wrath of the Lamb" Richard Armitage is incredibly creepy in this maybe his best performance this season. Excellent performance from Rutina Wesley during the opening scenes as well. The special effects makeup for the burns all over Dr. Chilton was seriously gruesome. I thought the Hannibal and Alana scene was quite good. I liked seeing Will and Jack plot to kill both Hannibal and Dolarhyde. Hannibal using the term "mic drop" was pretty funny. Dolarhyde stabbing Will in the face was crazy and I loved seeing Will and Hannibal work together to kill Dolarhyde. I also really liked the use of CGI dragon wings throughout that scene and his blood flowing into the shape of wings as he was dying was a nice touch. Was not expecting Will to pull Hannibal off the cliff at the end what a way to end a series! Bedelia eating her own legs in the closing scene felt a bit weird though almost felt out of place at that moment. This show will be dearly missed.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I'm pretty disappointed that given there would be more time to spend on the Red Dragon novel, more things from the novel would be fleshed out more and expounded upon to compliment the context of the show that was wholly interesting. And none of that really happened. It didn't feel that eventful. It didn't feel like this great book was given a great adaptation given the advantage of the serialized format. I didn't learn much stuff that was new. You'd think with more time with a show, there would be more from the book we haven't seen in the movies yet. Granted I've not finished the book, but it didn't feel that way watching it. Things felt too stretched out and not in the way you want a tv show to adapt a book.

Freddie Lounds not dying was a disappointment. I was okay with the change if it had paid off better for it and if there was a clear cut reason as to the change... but I still don't have a clear idea why. Though for what it was, that scene was excellent and was genuinely unnerving. There was some great moments yet once again Bloom didn't amount to much in the end, and Bedelia even less so who was just there. I loved the last two seasons, but goddamn, the pretentious dialogue just made itself known. In the previous seasons they felt consistent and just right with the dark fairy tale like ways of it. But here it just sticks out. Or maybe I don't remember the past two seasons and it always remained that way, but it started to verge into a parody of itself at times. Especially the homosexual subtext. Something that was so subtle and framed as just a possible alternative perception, yet here skews into favoring that idea to the point where Fuller just doesn't want to make it subtle anymore. Not to mention the Dante references. Jesus Christ.

But goddamn if I didn't love that ending. Their over the top tumblr gushing shot of them embracing in the wind on the cliffside aside, that was satisfying.

This season just has been all over the place and disappointing as a whole and really slow. Still doesn't change how I feel about the brilliance of last season though. That, Fargo, and True Detective were in the trio of best written shows of last year. Fuller, despite the limitations of the procedural structure, still really flourished and made it his own where I didn't feel like I was watching a procedural. It still felt wholly unique and brilliant despite the confines. There was a focus and an excellent structure. Here Fuller didn't have any restrictions anymore and was all over the place.

 

[Bruce Banner]

I honestly wished they followed the Red Dragon story more closely. I'm not really a fan of the tumblr slash fiction vibe that became incredibly irritating this season.

Will Graham taking Clarice's place from the end of Hannibal annoys me to no end.

Edit: luckily I can always go back and enjoy season 1 & 2, just sucks that I can't enjoy the actual Red Dragon adaptation at all.

 

[rogue trooper]

Satisfying ending, all things considered. Now, the post credit scene,

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maybe it was my poor lighting, but what was beneath Bedelia

?

 

[Snow Queen]

Satisfying ending, all things considered. Now, the post credit scene,

Spoiler

maybe it was my poor lighting, but what was beneath Bedelia

?

[BLACKOUT]Nothing, it was showing she was missing her left leg as it was on the table.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[rogue trooper]

[BLACKOUT]Nothing, it was showing she was missing her left leg as it was on the table.[/BLACKOUT]

Ah.

Spoiler

Yummi

Thanks, Snow.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Spoiler

I honestly wished they followed the Red Dragon story more closely. I'm not really a fan of the tumblr slash fiction vibe that became incredibly irritating this season.

Will Graham taking Clarice's place from the end of Hannibal annoys me to no end.

Edit: luckily I can always go back and enjoy season 1 & 2, just sucks that I can't enjoy the actual Red Dragon adaptation at all.

Spoiler

Same here, it had so much going for it but I feel like they just missed out on a lot of the potential the book had and any opportunity to touch on ground that the two films did not, but they didn't. It's made all the worse to me by me thinking Armitage was actually good and really well cast, but the way they wrote Dolarhyde seemed to be holding him back since they seemed uninterested in making the audience actually connect with him, they seemed to only want us to fear him. We don't get a good buildup to him snapping at the end and taking Reba and faking his death, it just seems to happen because they've run out of time.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Though I loved the Mason Verger storyline, perhaps they should have shifted the the ratio more in favour of Red Dragon screen time than Florence. An extra episode would have gone a long way.