DTL Season 5-Championship

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The rules:
This is the big one. The CHAMPIONSHIP match.

The thread will be in use for 7 days. Days 1-4 (Apr 16 - Apr 19) are strictly setup time for owners to plead their cases, tell us their team’s strategies, breakdown the match ups, and do whatever else they can/want to do to try and convince you that their team would pull out a victory. Please, let the owners do this on their own with no help.

On Day 5 (Apr 20) I will post and tell everyone that voting may begin. Any votes cast before I open voting will not count. Look over the matchups and read the strategies, and take into consideration how in-character each character is. Afterwards, use your best judgment to decide who you think has the best chance to win the match. (Note: The length of a writeup the discretion of the owner. Do not punish owners just for having a shorter writeup.)

To vote, post the team names you think will prevail in each match. Remember to vote for all matches or your vote will not count! The teams with the highest vote total at the end of the 7th day (Apr 22) will get a W while the other will get an L. (Equal votes will result in a tie.)

The battleground for this week is: Asgard

The Deadly Dozen
Loki (The Reigning) (MU) - superstrength/durability, shapeshifting, powerful sorcery including teleportation, invisibility, illusions, mind control, animation of inanimate objects, magical energy projection and shields, etc. Possesses the artifacts of Dr. Strange
The Magus (MU) - superstrength/durability, energy projection, teleportation, phasing, flight, can steal souls and manipulate spiritual energy via the Soul Gem
Magneto (Pre-Fatal Attractions) (MM) - controls metals and electromagnetism
Darkchylde (MR) - teleportation, minor sorcery, magic-disrupting Soulsword
Vandal Savage (1 Million) (DR) - immortal, enhanced physical stats, genius intelligence, various weapons and technology from the far future

VS.

B'wana Bet?
Baron Helmut Zemo (with Moonstones)(MU)- The gravimetric Moonstones grant Zemo his own version of Cosmic Awareness and powers, including the ability to phase and to manipulate time and space, in addition to his own natural skills and prodigious leadership ability.
Ares(1) (DU) - The Olympian God of War, Conflict, and Death, and gains power from all three. Possesses vast superhuman strength and durability, flight, magical armor, the Staff of Hades (which devours life), and various mystical, devine and spiritual powers, including energy-projection and interdimensional teleportation. Injuries afflicted by Ares are difficult to heal.
Lightray (DM) - Faster than light, superhuman strength and durability, energy conversion, and light manipulation. Lightray is highly-intelligent and possesses a Mother Box.
Batman 1-Million (DR) - Gengeneered, flight, advanced martial-arts (psychic element), technopathy, Datarangs, avatars, tesseract technology.
Reed Richards (MR) - Elastic supergenius.
 
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The Deadly Dozen
Loki (The Reigning) (MU) - superstrength/durability, shapeshifting, powerful sorcery including teleportation, invisibility, illusions, mind control, animation of inanimate objects, magical energy projection and shields, etc. Possesses the artifacts of Dr. Strange
The Magus (MU) - superstrength/durability, energy projection, teleportation, phasing, flight, can steal souls and manipulate spiritual energy via the Soul Gem
Magneto (Pre-Fatal Attractions) (MM) - controls metals and electromagnetism
Darkchylde (MR) - teleportation, minor sorcery, magic-disrupting Soulsword
Vandal Savage (1 Million) (DR) - immortal, enhanced physical stats, genius intelligence, various weapons and technology from the far future

VS.

B'wana Bet?
Baron Helmut Zemo (with Moonstones)(MU) - The gravimetric Moonstones grant Zemo his own version of Cosmic Awareness and powers, including the ability to phase and to manipulate time and space, in addition to his own natural skills and prodigious leadership ability.
Ares (DU) - The Olympian God of War, Conflict, and Death, and gains power from all three. Possesses vast superhuman strength and durability, flight, magical armor, the Staff of Hades (which devours life), and various mystical, devine and spiritual powers, including energy-projection and interdimensional teleportation. Injuries afflicted by Ares are difficult to heal.
Lightray (DM) - Faster than light, superhuman strength and durability, energy conversion, and light manipulation. Lightray is highly-intelligent and possesses a Mother Box.
Batman 1-Million (DR) - Gengeneered, flight, advanced martial-arts (psychic element), technopathy, Datarangs, avatars, tesseract technology.
Reed Richards (MR) - Elastic supergenius.

Joseph Conrad (English novelist said:
It is not the clear-sighted who rule the world. Great achievements are accomplished in a blessed, warm fog.

As he has done before each battle, Baron Zemo invokes the power of the Moonstones for a view of the future, skimming though the possible timelines in search of a course of action that will give his team an edge. But unlike every previous battle, this time Zemo sees the same thing in every timeline. Fog. Impenetrable white fog.

By Loki's magic, the city of Asgard and the surrounding regions have been covered in an impenetrable cloud. It's a simple strategy, really, but one which puts Gog's team in an unfamiliar position. For once, they go into battle with no foreknowledge of what they will face. Nevertheless, the team prepares as best they can.

As, of course, does my own team. Loki recognizes his home of Asgard instantly, and immediately teleports to key locations, gathering up the most formidable magical weapons that have been left behind as the battlefield was relieved of its inhabitants. He also casts a number of useful enchantments on his teammates (which I'll reveal in the battle itself). The team confers to discuss strategy and size up their opponents, whom they remember well from their previous match against this team. The only new face is Batman 1,000,000, who of course is well known to Vandal Savage.

Finally, as the time of battle approaches, the team takes up strategic positions, and Loki summons a cloud of magical fog to cover the battlefield. Like all actions of my team, this is invisible to the opposition until the battle starts (except in Zemo's vision of the future, of course).

The Battle

The battle begins, and to Gog's team it is as if a dense fog simply blinks into being out of nowhere. Of course, they knew this was coming. What they couldn't see is the invisible field of electromagnetic interference pouring off of Magneto, jamming their communications and any technological scanning devices. This also scrambles Lightray's "photon webs", which are of course electromagnetic in nature (photons being nothing more than particles of electromagnetism). Magneto also creates magnetic vibrations resonant with the gleaming metal walls of the Asgardian buildings, causing them to produce a deafening sound. (He's done this sort of thing before.) This should prevent Gog's team from locating mine by sound -- as well as disorienting them. (My team has of course taken precautions to shield their hearing.)

The upshot is that Gog's team is going to have a hell of a time locating mine on the battlefield, whereas Loki at least should be able to easily detect his foes thanks to his magical senses and the Eye of Agamotto. (They don't call it the "all-seeing eye" for no reason.) The fact that everyone on my team can teleport (except perhaps Magneto, assuming his wormhole feat is off-limits for the mid-level version) makes them that much harder to find, while making it that much easier for them to ambush Gog's team as soon as Loki telepathically relays their coordinates.

(Gog will probably argue that Ares can similarly locate my team, but I'm not as convinced of Ares omniscience as Gog is. I'll address this more in my comments, below. Regardless, my team also has the advantage that Loki has centuries of experience learning everything there is to know about the battlefield and all its hiding places, while Gog's team has had one day.)

Magneto vs. Lightray

Magneto has done his part to help his team avoid detection, but it's quite possible he's revealed his own location in the process. Lightray is an energy-converter, so he may be able to trace Magneto's electromagnetic static back to its source. That's a bit of an assumption, but for the sake of moving the battle along, I'll give it to him.

Lightray charges straight for Magneto at maximum speed. Magneto of course has his forcefield up, Lightray hopes to disrupt it with his powers and batter Magneto unconscious before the mutant can react. What he doesn't know is that Magneto is completely surrounded by a whirlwind of magical Asgardian swords, born aloft by Magneto's own power. (It's well established that magnetism can effect magical uru metal.) The reason Lightray doesn't know it is because Loki was kind enough to enchant the whole collection of weaponry to render it invisible and undetectable. (This is in addition to everything else my team has done to conceal themselves, of course.)

Colliding with dozens of razor sharp magical swords at light speed is probably enough to tear lightray to ribbons. At the very least, it breaks his concentration enough that instead of disrupting Magneto's forcefield (assuming he even can), he slams headlong into it. If somehow that fails to put him down, it at least stuns him long enough that Magneto can make the magical weapons swarm around him in a ball, and crush/skewer him.

(Gog claims Lightray only has about class-50 strength and comparable durability. That's on the level of Rogue w/ Ms. Marvel's powers. Rogue by the way was once trapped in ordinary steel girders when Polaris magnetically enhanced them. Asgardian weapons, quite possibly uru, reinforced by Magneto's powers, should easily be strong enough to hold Lightray. He might try to melt through them -- again, unlikely if they're uru -- but an already stunned and wounded Lightray isn't managing that before Magneto crushes the life out of him or impales him on a dozen magical blades.)

Loki vs. Zemo

Zemo has his own way of dealing with his opponent's efforts at concealment. He creates a wave of gravitational force to drive Loki's fog away. To Zemo's surprise, the fog is unmoved -- or at least it appears to be. Loki has mixed real fog with the illusion of the same, and gravity is useless against illusions. Of course, illusory fog is no more transparent than the real thing.

This is as good a point as any to remind the reader of two explicit claims Gog has made about Zemo. One is that his so-called "cosmic awareness" really just amounts to an ability to look through portals at the future. In Gog's own words, the moonstones left his perceptions "largely unaltered". The second claim is that in order to use his powers on someone he has to know where they are or have a line of sight connection to them. This is in complete contrast to Loki, who on more than one occasion has located someone even when he was in another dimension and used his magic against them. (Here is Loki magically controlling a missle even though it was on earth and he was chained up in Asgard. And here we see he was also able to send an illusory dragon to menace Thor. Sending all that magic across dimensions is draining for him, but in the case of this battle all Loki has to do is attack Zemo from a safe distance away on the battlefield.)

So you can see why unless Zemo can find a way to locate Loki he will be in serious trouble. But before Zemo even has a chance to formulate a new plan after his initial attempt to dispell the fog failed, Loki mounts his own offensive. He attacks Zemo with a powerful psychic bolt. (This is another attack that Loki can use from a distance, even across dimensional barriers. Note that in that scan Dr. Strange only barely managed to stop Loki's attack.) Gog wasn't able to show me any explicit examples of Zemo using the Moonstones to stop telepathy, and there's no real reason to think their gravity based powers would do any good against it. The diadem Zemo wears on his head provides him some telepathic resistance, but apparently it has been overwhelmed before. Surely a force that could challenge Dr. Strange would be able to do it.

But let's give Zemo the benefit of the doubt and say he's still standing after Loki's assualt. Seeing this, Loki realizes that Zemo is wearing psi-protection. Furthermore, he knows it must be tech-based (since if it were magical Loki would sense it.) Zemo is probably still somewhat stunned from the psi attack, but to keep him occupied Loki attacks with some illusory copies of himself, while the real Loki hangs back a safe distance away. While Zemo is fighting off his duplicates, Loki reaches out with his powers and fries the circuitry of Zemo's psi-blocker. (Loki has shown an ability to disrupt machines before, as when he rendered a Soviet bomb non-functional. Zemo's tech may be more advanced, but if all else fails Loki can magically transmute it into ice cream, as he did to a car in that same scan.)

With his psi-protection down, another telepathic blast floors Zemo. Not taking any chance of him recovering, Loki teleports the unconscious baron into another dimension, separating him from the Moonstones and thus rendering him powerless. (Zemo has controlled the Moonstones without touching them, but they were pretty much always still in his line of sight. I don't buy that he can control them from another dimension. Anyway, this is all overkill, since the psi-blast should take him out regardless.)

With Zemo defeated, Loki can proceed to aid the Magus against Ares. Even mighty Ares shouldn't be able to stand against them for long. But if all goes according to plan, Loki's help won't even be needed.

The Magus vs. Ares

Always too quick to believe that "size matters", Ares towers over the battlefield in collosal form, as the Magus floats in the air in front of him. Ares fires a massive energy blasts, and follows it up with a mighty punch. But the Magus can simply phase through physical attacks, or block them with a shield of spiritual energy from the soul gem, or even redirect them with his teleportational portals. One such portal now opens before Magus, and through it he attacks, striking Ares in the back.

Ares is immune to mortal weapons, but not so for immortal ones. The last time they fought, Magus took a magical weapon from his teammate, Darkchylde. This time, the battlefield (and Loki's knowledge of where to look) provided all that he needed. Magus hurls Gungir, the mighty spear of Odin, with its awesome power amplifying his own energies and those of the Soul Gem. Striking Ares between the shoulder blades, the force of the blow sends Ares stumbling forward, while at the same time a portal snaps open in front of him. Magus (who has some telepathic abilities, at least in terms of communication) had sent Darkchylde a silent signal to attack, and attack she did, her magic-disrupting Soul Sword striking straight between Ares eyes as Gungir drove him forward.

Ares is momentarily stunned, and that moment is all that is needed, as Magus slams into his legs and topples him straight into a large portal of Darkchylde's.

Shaking off their attack, Ares looks around to see where the mutant witch has sent him. His senses tell him this is Earth, and yet -- no, this can't be! That's the last thought that passes through Ares' head as he fades from existence.

[My team had noted that Ares seemed to grow stronger over the course of their last battle, and Loki -- who knows a thing or two about gods and magic -- surmised that he was empowered by conflict. (Plus, Gog was nice enough to tell my team as much in his description of the character.) So they figured it stands to reason that if Ares draws power from human conflict, then in a time before humanity he would be powerless. Which is why Darkchylde sent him through a time-portal to before the origin of life on earth. (Ares himself has explicitly confirmed that if there were no life on earth, he would die.)


Vandal Savage 1,000,000 vs. Mr. Fantastic and Batman 1,000,000

While gods and beings who might as well be gods battle overhead, the regulars are left to search out their foes in the fog. Batman sends out his avatars to survey the battlefield, but thanks to a telepathic tip-off from Loki, Vandal finds Mr. Fantastic first.

Clad in his razor-sharp omicron knife suit, Vandal Savage chrages forward. A streched out fist slams into him, but Reed draws his hand back in pain and surprise. Blood! Few are the substances that could cut his stretchy tissues, but as Vandal has said the omicron knife suit "lives to be sharp -- almost spiritually sharp". Even fewer are the substances in the universe it can't cut.

As Vandal presses forward to try to finish his wounded opponent, Reed takes a new tactic. Stretching his muscles to enhance his strength, he grabs a large slab of stone and places it in front of him. Then wrapping his head and feet around tall stone columns on either side of him, he stretches himself out like a rubberband. The significance of this strange action only just dawns on Vandal when -- SPROING! Reed stretchy body snaps forward and launches the stone like a rock from a sling shot. It catches Vandal square in the chest and throws him backwards. The force of the blow is jarring even through his armor. A BOOM! sounds as the stunned Savage beats a hasty retreat via boomtube.

Reed has neither time to savor this mini-victory nor to track down his fleeing foe. He finds his whole body is suddenly in excrutiating pain. His normally cohesive form begins to stretch and sag uncontrollably in all directions. For a genius like Reed, what's happening is quite obvious, but it's hardly any consolation to realize you're being taken apart on the molecular level.

But just as soon as the attack begins, it subsides. "Nanites," Batman explains, appearing in the fog beside Reed. "But my electronic scramblers took care of them. I also tagged Savage with a datarang as he entered the boomtube. You stay here and regroup -- I can handle him."

Porting through a boom tube of his own, Batman arrives at coordinates close to Vandal's.

And comes face to face with the Magus (the future Warlock having just bid Ares bon voyage on his journey to the distant past.) Knowing how dangerous Batman 1,000,000 is, this was Vandal's strategy all along -- just evade him or keep him busy until the ubers could finish him off.

Batman reacts with lightning speed, attacking the Magus both physically and telepathically. Against the Magus's monstrous telepathic defenses and physical durability, he might as well have tried tickling him. The Soul Gem flashes and the Batman is reduced to an empty husk.

[Note: I'd orginally planned to have Vandal and Batman fight a bit, but at this point I'm willing to cut that part a little short in order to get my writeup done. Even if Batman beats Vandal there's no way he's beating my ubers, so I might as well skip right to that. Even though it's a slightly lame way to take him down.]

Magneto and Darkchylde vs. Mr. Fantastic

If Magus has finished with Ares that of course means Darkchylde has, too. Loki telepathically directs her to go assist Magneto.

Magneto has already finished with Lightray, and is now engaged in combat with Mr. Fantastic. Magnetically guided Asgardian swords easily shredded the weaponry Reed tried to use against him, and now the leader of the Fantastic Four is reduced to desperate dodging. Ripping hunks of metal of of the surrounding buildings, Magneto whirls them around Reed in an ever tighter spiral, and at last fuses them into an air tight prison, trapping Mr. Fantastic inside.

Reed stretches his fist into a spike and slams it into the wall of his metal prison, once again inflating his muscles for extra oomph. In spite of Magneto's magnetic reinforcement of the metal ball, Reed manages to punch a small hole, and stretching his body into a thin strand, begins to ooze his way out. Magneto counters by coiling the ball of metal into a noose around Reed's neck.

It is at this point that Darkchylde arives.

Darkchylde, it is worth noting, is one of the less evil members of my team. As Magik, she was a hero, and yet always struggled against her demonic side, to the point where sometimes her teammates had to hold her back from using lethal force. In this incarnation, the demon is fully ascendant. With her New Mutants teammates to help her, it could have been possible for her humanity to reassert itself, but after spending a whole season fighting alongside the evilest of men (including her former mentor in Magneto) her humanity is buried deeper than ever.

Killing, she has found, is really very simple. Far more so than she ever suspected. In this case, it's as simple as opening a portal, and shutting it again. In between, Magneto gives Reed's neck a tug, stretching it until his head passes through the portal. Afterwards, his neck snaps back, headless.

The Deadly Dozen Win
 
Commentary

Why I win the uber battles
I suspect we'll end up debating whether my team could thwart Zemo's precognition, as well as how good Ares' senses are. I'll get to that below, but I want to reemphasize that even if you give Gog's team more credit in terms of senses than I do, that doesn't change a key point:

Loki has a big advantage on Zemo, because Zemo has to know where Loki is in order to hurt him (by Gog's own admission), whereas Loki can strike at Zemo from anywhere, even other dimensions. Loki knows from the previous battle how dangerous Zemo is, and so it should be possible for him to mess Zemo up from a distance without risking exposing himself to Zemo's attacks. Even if Zemo is successful in his precognition, that just means he could see some of the many possible effects Loki is hitting him with, not necessarily that he'd know where they're coming from.

As for Magus vs. Ares, they're both absolutely massive powerhouses who I think are pretty well matched. Magus wielding some powerful Asgardian weapon is even more of a threat. (I don't think Gungnir has ever been shown to have some kind of "worthiness" requirement like Mjolnir, but if it does there are plenty of other options, including Loki's own sword.) Even if he fails to beat Ares, Magus ought to at least be able to stall him for a while, after which Loki and Magus could double-team him. I don't think even Ares could stand up to that.

Gog's and my ubers are both so ridiculously powerful that whoever wins those fights probably wins the match, but I did my best to show why I would win the other fights, too.

Zemo's precognition
My team has fought Zemo before, and they've seen that he can anticipate their attacks. Furthermore, Darkchylde knows a thing or two about portals through time, and Loki has shown an ability to magically detect when he was being spied on. So one of the first things they realize is that they need to obstruct Zemo's vision if they want to avoid giving him a major advantage. Blanketing Asgard in a mix of real and illusory fog should be well within Loki's power. (At least, covering the whole Asgardian city, which is where I imagine most of the battle takes place.)


Would fog stop Zemo's precog? Sure, because he's not a true precog in the sense of "knowing what's going to happen", he just opens up windows into possible futures. I made sure to ask Gog very explicitly how Zemo's precognition works. As Gog has said "For all intents and purposes, Zemo's studying the future through a portal." If the other end of that portal is covered in fog, he'll see fog. (Other than the ability to look at the future, the Moonstones don't boost Zemo's senses. Again, this is from Gog: "strictly in terms of perceptions, he was largely unaltered.")

Some of Zemo's teammates do have enhanced senses and scanning, but they can't actively scan for my team through the portals during prep-time, since they're not allowed to interact with my team at all during prep. All they can do is look at the images Zemo shows, all of which look like blank fog. And Zemo has no way to even know which scenes to show them, since they all look the same to him (and he has to "actively scan the timelines" and choose where to focus.) He also can't give the Moonstones to a teammate like Ares -- even if Ares could use the Moonstones more effectively, having them would easily push him into tuber territory.

Ares Perceptions
Can he share them?
Gog may claim Ares would be able to know everything my team is doing, and even somehow communicate this to his teammates. Even if his perceptions are that good, I don't think he can somehow give those same perceptions to his teammates --probably not even with telepathy like Gog used last time, since his teammates minds really couldn't process information in the same way a god can.

The most I've seen him share of his perceptions was when he showed Wonder Woman little random glimpses of conflict throughout the world. These snapshots didn't contain much useful information, and that's still an instance of Ares consciously showing her stuff, not giving her the power to see whatever she wanted.

He also probably can't be telepathically shouting out directions like Loki does, since Ares I think would be more actively engaged in combat (not hanging back and using spells from afar like I had Loki do), which would mean he'd be too busy to worry about what his teammates were up to.


Perceptions of the present?
But regardless, I don't think Ares perceptions are quite what Gog makes them out to be. At least, if we're limiting him to what we've actually seen in the comics. Let's review:

We've seen Ares take Wonder Woman "through the looking glass" and show her glimpses of conflicts all over the world. More like a collage of snapshots, really. In that instance, he never did anything like focusing in on a particular scene and watching it play out in real time. And so far as we know, he's only getting visual information, not some intuitive knowledge of what's happening. If the scene is obscured by fog, then presumably he'd see the fog.

When we have seen Ares observe a particular individual (like when he spied on Wonder Girl) he's looked at them through reflective surfaces. Again, it's not an intuitive knowledge of what's happening, it's more like having a hidden camera. If he looked into a room of fog, he'd still see fog.

I don't deny that Ares has some connection to conflict happening on Earth (although I'm not sure how useful it is for information gathering purposes). But does this mean he'd be able to sense what's happening in Asgard? I doubt it. For one thing, Athena has told us that gods can't spy on the realms of other gods. And yet by merely setting foot in Odin's realm, Ares suddenly knows all that transpires there? Despite the presence of a genuine pantheon-level Asgardian god trying to block that knowledge? I think not.

It's also established that gods can conceal their actions from each other. And Loki just so happens to be the god of trickery and deception, who concealed his actions (like providing weapons to Asgard's enemies) from right under the Odin-powered Thor's nose. Not to mention the many times he did things Odin had forbidden without the All-Father's immediate notice -- even though Odin had good reason to check up on Loki quite regularly.

It's established that Ares' avatar could see through "disguises" because of his godly senses. But seeing through "disguises" doesn't translate to seeing through general illusions, much less physical fog. A "disguise" is something much more specific -- a deception regarding an individuals identity. This is an important distinction, because it seems like part of how he sees through them is by sensing the thoughts of the person underneath the disguise (which is why Circe was able to fool him by making herself believe her disguise was real). That's totally irrelevant to things like magically summoned fog.

Furthermore, if the key is sensing the deceptive thoughts behind the illusion, then he's out of luck. Sensing the deception in Loki's mind when he creates an illusion would be impossible, because the Eye of Agamotto gives him impregnable psychic defense (on top of his own innate powers as the god of trickery and deception.)

Perceptions of the future?
Even if you buy that showing Wonder Woman glimpses of conflict + spying on people through mirrors + the power to see through disguises somehow adds up to total knowledge of everything that's happening in the world, there's no way Ares would get that knowledge of the future just by looking through Zemo's portals. Consider the following:

(1) Whatever knowledge Ares does have he has because of his magical connection to global conflict. Letting him look through a window to the future doesn't remotely imply that he's actually magically linking up to the future in the same way that he's linked to the present. In fact, it can't imply this, because that forming such a magical connection would constitute interacting with my team during prep-time. The most Gog's team can do is let the visual information flow through the portal in a one-way direction, from the future to the past. (Even that feels a little bit like it's maneuvering around the rules, but we've been allowing it.)

(2) Zemo wouldn't know which of the innumerable future timelines to show Ares anyway, since in my scenario those timelines now all look like identical blank fog to Zemo.

(3) He also can't give the Moonstones to Ares and let Ares try to find the right timeline for himself, because Ares + Moonstones would be blatantly too uber.

Ares knowledge better than Loki's concealment?
Even if you buy that Ares knows what's happening in the present and can look through the Moonstones and know what's going to happen in the future despite my teams best efforts at concealment, at the very least Loki should be able to conceal his own whereabouts. Loki is a god of trickery who has managed to conceal all kinds of mischief from tuber gods like Odin and King Thor. I have to believe that Loki in Asgard is more skilled at hiding than Ares is at finding him. (And if not, Loki can retreat to other dimensions and strike from there.)

All I need to grant me the above described advantage over Zemo is for Loki to be able to hide his location. Even if I lose every other argument, if I win that one then you have to admit Loki has a big advantage over Zemo. If Loki can hide from Zemo, Zemo can't attack him, but Loki can certainly locate and attack Zemo (without leaving his hiding place). That's enough to tip the whole match in my favor, I think.
 
DTL Commish said:
The teams with the highest vote total at the end of the 7th day (Apr 22) will get a W while the other will get an L. (Equal votes will result in a tie.)
I think for the Championship match it ought to be "Equal votes will result in Tim and Gog settling this with pistols at dawn."

Or something. Anything but a tie!
 
Equal votes should require a one-on-one reg match. (I think that should be the case in the regular season too.)
 
I've got a lot going on this weekend, so my writeup probably won't be up until Sunday night or so.

Edit: I've written a good chunk of it, but I'm going to go to bed now and try to finish it tomorrow (Tuesday) after work. Gog and I are being equally slow, it seems. The voting deadline will presumably be extended accordingly.
 
Thanks again for your patience, everyone. My writeup is almost done -- I should get it posted tomorrow for sure.
 
Prep:


It takes little time for my team to recognise their situations have reversed since the last round of combat. This is Loki's home, and they make sure to check for any persistant magical effects and similar conditions.

Ares secures the match-up he favors with a simple observation: Zemo stands at-least a fifty/fifty chance of defeating The Magus in person, whereas nothing's to stop the latter from using the Soul Gem against him even if he takes-on Loki. He takes the highest oath a God can make, swearing on the river Styx to uphold his end of their agreement, and both Zemo and Batman know that it will carry some weight. After that, he strikes off into the country. He doesn't yet know exactly what he's looking for, but he has a good idea. He'll be back in time to help with weaponry and study the Moonstones.

Batman upgrades Zemo's headband to 853rd century standards, with some input from Reed, whose main contribution consists of EMP-proofing their electronics, leaving a counter-virus dormant in their computer systems, and building the somewhat implausible yet perfectly in-continuity Reed Richards Anti-Magneto Ray-Gun! (See notes and Battle.)

As usual, Lightray uses a containment suit, and has Mother Box give him the appearance of Batman One-Million before sending it to Zemo's side.

These are largely practiced moves which they retrace now, and the team has time to study future timelines more closely than before.

If there are any creatures present on the battlefield intelligent or malignant enough to have a grudge against Asgard, Ares spends some of his time cajoling them into aiding his side. Loki may represent a known quantity, but Ares can promise them something he could not - the complete destruction of Asgard.

The Moonstones represent a safer way for him to explore the city's defenses, and once all else is settled and the team is rested, he and Zemo deul - a mock fight serving mainly to scar a few landmarks and let Zemo absorb some mystical energy for later use.

Lastly, hidden portals now connect key points on the field, particularly ones the team deems important for the Regs' battles.
 
Mine will be done before I go to bed tonight. Once it is, I'll read Gog's stuff and post comments. Thanks again to all voters for your patience.
 
Zemo vs. The Magus


Most B'wanas hang-back during the first moments of the fight, taking advantage of the immensity of the battlefield. A soft light fills the realm of Asgard as Lightray weaves his photonic webs, seeking their opponents. During that same time Magneto initiates an EMP, but Mother-Box warns Zemo, who absorbs the energy into the Moonstones, and Lightray can defend his own gear similarly.

In a short moment he's found all but one of them. "There's no trace of the woman. You don't suppose they've --"

-" --Murdered her again? Who knows? We'll just have to be careful. Nevertheless, I think it's time I've made my entrance." A portal opens briefly, and through it he quickly carves Asgard's palace into ribbons. It's a move he'd carefuly examined beforehand, to ensure that there would be no automatic reprisal. He was similarly cautious before determining his next step. Before the dust's begun to settle, he's transported himself into the city. "Hiding behind weaker targets? That kind of tactic doesn't even deter the Americans. I, on the other hand, am a crazy German scientist."

Every building in the city begins to topple as, outside of a small perimeter around the reported location of the Regs, the entire area is devestated by a massive gravitational field lasting only a fraction of a second. It's enough to destroy Vandal Savage's mines, and it knocks The Magus of his feet.

Nonetheless he smiles as he sends a seemingly random blast behind his back, and Mister Fantastic's form hits the wall behind him violently, the weapon he was carrying rolling harmlessly to the ground. The Cosmic Powers have delievered to his hands the Moonstones, to usher in the New Ordrer!

As the Gem on his brow begins to glow, Zemo readies his own attack.

At this point, both invoke their most devastating attacks for the quick win.

Now, I feel that Zemo is just as likely to bifract or otherwise stop The Magus here as he is of stealing Zemo's soul, if not more so, owing to Helmut's foresight and general versatility, but should Adam succeed, then as he cries-out triumphantly and assimilates Zemo's knowledge, he catches a motion from the corner of his eye. As fire claims Zemo's lifeless body, he impossibly raises his head. The stunned Magus has but a fraction of a second to puzzle before time and space pull equally in all directions, and in a heart-beat, he is gone.

Ares did not trust to the whims of fate to call the tide of battle. He set a demon soul to possess Zemo's body. Another moment passes, and the Moonstones too seem to flicker and die, as Mother Box destroys them and returns to Lightray's side. Zemo, too, was not prepared to risk all on chance, and neither he nor Lightray trusted Ares.


Lightray vs. Magneto


This is what happened the last time Magneto faced Reed Richards:


Lightray ports in at the same time as Zemo and blasts Magneto with a similar device. He may put-up a fight, but I fully expect Lightray to overcome him.

Blinding either Savage or Darkchylde with light would be a simple matter, should they be around.


Ares vs. Loki


Matching power fails to work in Loki's favour, and he is steadily retreating. But Ares sees the pattern, and does his best to break it. Flying high, his giant form framed by what looks to be the pelt of a great bear, he persues under his own terms. Loki has no reason yet to think illusions would be ineffective, and Ares labors not to give him one.

The Soulsword lies motionless on the ground where Magneto had stood, and Loki's magics cannot move it. Instead he gestures with his hands, and a dozen blades appear to strike at Ares, but he blasts them into fragments and sunders the last with his shield. A new batch appears, but he recognises Savage's knives from the description and draws the organism's life-force. Below, destruction rages, and he grows in power by the minute.

Desperate now, Loki tries to escape, to banish him, to turn him into wood. But Ares is relentless: "I have stared Medusa in the eye", he says as he blasts apart a force-field, "And I've shattered Zeus' Aegis.

Incidently, Magneto's down, and now.. Now I have a machine-gun. Ho-Ho-Ho."


When the noise dies down, Loki's broken body gives no sign of life.

Ares draws his Staff and speaks again: "Oh, you'd know it when I've killed you", and spectral shapes consume the God of Mischief.

In Asgard, the Soulsword is no longer where it rested. Illyana Rasputin aims true as she hurls the blade at the Olympian's chest through a portal. With preternatural ability honed over thousands of years, Ares throws his cloak between them as he shifts his body to the side. The Sword tangles in the thick leather garb, and he sends both elsewhere through a portal of his own.

"I killed a bear today. A great big Asgardian beast. I hypothesized that if your blade could simply go through my armor the last time before striking cleanly at my flesh, that the hardened skin of another mythical creature would likewise slow its progress."

"Should I do the same as The Magus had done to you? Your Sword will make a fitting bauble for my victory"
, the fire in his eyes burns brighter for a moment before subsiding, "You've fought well alongside companions that cared nothing for your being. I give you your soul in recognition of your spirit. Rest."


Vandal Savage vs. Batman and Lightray


Batman had been spreading himself thin monitoring and relaying messages between all fronts. It's possible Magneto's EMP took his avatars offline for awhile, in which case he'd be with Ares. But then, its equally possible Magneto used no pulse at-all for fear of destroying Savage's machines. A point to remember is that while he is expressly familiar with the details of Vandal's final battle with Resurrection Man, Savage died soon afterwards, and may well even believe he'd won.

Lightray can - and eventually does - incinerate Savage the moment he sees him. His mines had been destroyed by Zemo's actions early-on, and Batman's avatars interfere with his programming at every step.

Lightray never approaches the sound barrier, so Savage's sonic pen proves ineffective, but even if he did use super-speed, he possesses both superhuman stats and senses, and Vandal's never had the opportunity to callibrate it accordingly. He could possibly choose to use a normal pitch instead, but that seems unlikely, particularly as he has no cause to suspect this vulinerabilty in the Moonstones. (Zemo himself had been aware and doing what best he could to defend against it since Week Four, when Who? successfully employed this tactic.)




And so B'wana Bet? won their fight with the Dirty Dozen with 4.5 surviving members to none. They saved the universe, and won 200$ each.

Zombie Zemo became the catalyst for Marvel Zombies.

Reed Richards went home and made lots of tiny children whose name he could never recall.

Tim choked in the finals and drowned the pain with booze and vitriol. He collected himself in time to lose twice more to Gog the following season.

Gog left his group for his newest project, tentatively titled Doom's Patrol.
 
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If Loki and The Magus start the fight together, Ares and Zemo will naturally do the same.

It's possible that The Magus would attempt to scry on Zemo so as to steal his soul from a distance, or make extensive use of illusion along with Loki. But then, it's equally possible for Zemo to do similarly, manipulate time, etc... Ultimately, I boiled the match down to the show-down and then went from there, and I did have Zemo draw a bit of magic during prep to trade a bit more evenly on that horizon. If he is somehow killed a different way, Mother Box would self-destruct instead, again destroying the Moonstones, and thus possibly the aggressor.

Ares is again giant-sized, and would have relied on ranged attacks this time about, if he had to face Warlock again. The bullets he used were incendiary, specifically as to avoid the possibility of Loki firing them back at him through telekinsis.

But it seems unlikely and unnecessary for Tim to sacrifice a member of his team again in such magic-rich environment. I had Magik teleport into the future with the bell. It's probably not what she'd do, but neither did it seem an altogether unintelligent strategy, and her team was clearly willing to do without her. Otherwise, the real Batman would be tasked with dispatching her.

Apparently, Magneto did manage to escape eventually, emphasis resting on "eventually". You can find the details here, such as they are:
http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,169907.msg2753181.html#msg2753181

Of-course, Reed took little enough time in coming-up with his device the first time, and has a day now to improve upon it, and a living New God battery to power it.

It should go without saying Batman would reprogram his Suit to defend against the same trick he pulled on Resurrection Man in the Regional Semis.

There are things I would have mentioned further, regarding sonics and disrupting Zemo's powers as well as Savage's various nanites, but right now I think I'd rather get some sleep.
 
Response to Gog's writeup

Zemo's pre-emptive attack

Trashing the Asgardian palace is a nice idea, but in order for it to be allowed, Zemo has to know there are no regs inside. (As always, ubers can't attack regs.) In Gog's writeup, he knew all thanks to his pre-cog, but if my team took the countermeasures I've described, he wouldn't be able to do that. This is also one reason I have Gog's guys fighting it out in the fog-filled area instead of just firing blasts blindly into the city -- the ubers can't attack anywhere unless they're sure there's no reg there. They've got no choice but to go in and find my guys.

How would the ubers be matched up?
I agree that Magus vs. Zemo is basically a toss up, since they both have attacks that the other one can't block. Meanwhile, Loki has a big advantage over Zemo, because Loki can attack even if he's no where near Zemo, even across dimensions. Whereas by Gog's own admission, Zemo has to see someone or know where they are in order to hit them with his powers.

So of course, my team would try to put Loki against Zemo rather than Magus, and given that they have the sensory powers of the Eye of Agamotto, and given that both my ubers can teleport, and given that they're far more familiar with the battlefield, I'd expect them to succeed.

If it does come down to Magus vs. Zemo, Magus could be made magically invisible to give him the drop on Zemo. Gog has stated the Moonstones don't really enhance Zemo's perceptions except for the precog thing.

Reed's anti-magneto gun
Last time I faced Gog, he referenced that fight and I didn't know what he was talking about. Since then, I discovered those scans, but I used Magneto against Reed anyway. Why? Because I'm utterly convinced that Magneto fought like an idiot in that fight. When you consider how much smarter he normally is, and the fact that this time around he'd be prepared for the possibility of an "electronic converter", there's no way it would turn out like that in the rematch.

Specifically, the gun ran on the power Magneto supplied. For it to work, he had to blast it with magnetic force. Which is why Reed goads him into doing just that ("Now Magneto -- do your worst!") and Magneto stupidly obliges. As if this weren't bad enough, even once Magneto understands exactly what the gun does (because Reed explains it), he keeps pouring on the juice. ("The more magnetic force I hurl -- the more I trap myself within this cone! And yet, I cannot stop! It is my only power -- my only strength!") What the hell is that about? Magneto can do a whole lot more than just generate waves of magnetic force. All he really would have had to do was hurl a hunk of metal at the device and smash it to bits.

Of course, in my writeup I don't have him blasting blindly away with magnetic force. I have him magnetically tossing razor sharp magical swords around. If Lightray tried to carry an anti-magneto gun through the whirlwind of swords, it'd be cut to pieces (especially since the swords are invisible, so Lightray can't see to avoid them). And regardless, the gun does nothing unless Magneto actively attacks it.

It's also worth noting that the Magneto vs. Reed fight took place in the '60s. That means it was a significantly weaker and generally less mentally with-it version of Magneto then the one I have. At some point Magneto was de-aged to a baby, and then restored to adulthood -- but as a much younger adult. (The restoration of happened in the "All New, All different" X-Men series, meaning late '70s or so.) This upped his power level significantly, and might well have given him enough control of electromagnetism to prevent his magnetic force from being absorbed and redirected. The fact that Reed never used such a device against Magneto again, even on the multiple occasions when Magneto was trashing New York, suggests Magneto has evolved beyond Reed's ability to so easily thwart.

In fact, even before his powerup Magneto might not have been beatable by the same trick a second time. As Gog admits, he did eventually figure out how to get through that cone of magnetic energy. Which means my version already knows how, and could do so immediately.

As for Reed upgrading the gun substantially in 24 hours prep, he (1) doesn't have the benefit of his lab here (unless we're saying we can teleport in equipment, in which case my team can teleport in all kinds of crazy weapons from other times, galaxies, and dimensions). (2) I doubt the upgraded version would be any more immune to being smashed to bits (3) In the several decades since that story, Reed never created a more powerful version, even when Magneto was menacing New York and the rest of planet Earth. Like I said, if anything it's more likely Magneto has evolved past Reed's ability to stop him so easily.

Vandal Savage's fights
If I really wanted to EMP your guys, I could easily shield Vandal's tech. Just teleport him into another dimension, fire off the EMP, then teleport him back. But I don't really think I need to use an EMP in this fight, so this is a minor point.

Perhaps more significant is this bit, which I didn't get:
Dark Gog said:
A point to remember is that while he is expressly familiar with the details of Vandal's final battle with Resurrection Man, Savage died soon afterwards, and may well even believe he'd won.
Are you saying Batman knows the details of Vandal's fight with Resurrection Man? I don't see how. It was a one-on-one fight between Mitch and Vandal -- Batman wasn't there. Vandal surprised Resurrection Man with a bunch of his weapons in that fight (and ultimately beat him), suggesting the heroes of the day didn't know Vandal had all those things in his arsenal. After that, Mitch died on Mars. Was there some scene I missed where he conferred with Batman and listed all the weapons Vandal had used against him?

Anyway, I don't really have a problem with Lightray beating Savage, although I'd think Vandal could make him work a bit more. Of course if I'm right that Magneto beats Lightray, that also means Lightray won't ever get the chance to take on Vandal.
 
My battle is up, as well as some comments elaborating it, and a critique of Gog's writeup.

If Gog posts any criticisms of mine or a response to my comments, you can be sure I'll reply with another round of comments of my own. I might not be on here again until this afternoon, though.
 
I'm going to bed early tonight since I was up late last night churning out my writeup. If Gog posts any additional comments tonight, I'll reply tomorrow.
 
Comments coming-up.

This being the finals and everything, can everyone provide just a little more input when they vote?
 
Eh, don't just yet -- I have a family dinner coming up, and I went for the books and didn't quite finish typing.

I'll be back on the computer in no more then ninety minutes though, and then we can get back to crushing your puny dreams!
 
I'll be back on the computer in no more then ninety minutes though, and then we can get back to crushing your puny dreams!
Bah! All who oppose me will crumble like a cookie in the Cookie Monster's throatless muppet mouth!


(Yes, I stole that from TheCorpulent1's pre-season boast . . . but it's still a good line.)
 
I haven't read anything yet, but I am impressed that Tim got a dead novelist to post on the forum so Tim could quote him.
 
I haven't read anything yet, but I am impressed that Tim got a dead novelist to post on the forum so Tim could quote him.
You know me, always willing to go the extra mile (or the extra necromantic ritual) for the DTL.:woot:
 
I haven't read anything yet, but I am impressed that Tim got a dead novelist to post on the forum so Tim could quote him.


That's nothing. Before the deadline finally closed, I had every intention of having Ares conjure-up the spectre of Karl Marx, and let the Grissly Ghost of Cummunism take Ari by the hand and explain in excruciating detail why objective historical analysis proved his team had no option but the to lose the last time and will fail completely yet again.


Anyway, I'm still typing.

I hate typing. :(
 
Anyway, I'm still typing.

I hate typing. :(
Have you tried abbreviating? Something like:
"IDK y Tim says Loki beats Zemo. LOL! Zemo + Ares win cuz they r BFF."
 

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