Dutch Government attempting to ban Burkas, muslim face covering

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Dutch government seeks to ban full-length veils

Cabinet cites security grounds; Netherlands has one million Muslims


THE HAGUE, Netherlands - The Dutch government announced plans Friday for legislation banning full-length veils in public places and other clothing that covers the face — putting the Netherlands at the forefront of a general European hardening toward Muslim minorities.
The Netherlands, once considered one of Europe’s most welcoming nations for immigrants and asylum seekers, is deeply divided over moves by the government to stem the tide of new arrivals and compel immigrants to assimilate into Dutch society.
“The Cabinet finds it undesirable that face-covering clothing — including the burqa — is worn in public places for reasons of public order, security and protection of citizens,” Immigration Minister Rita Verdonk said.

Basing the order on security concerns apparently was intended to respond to warnings that outlawing clothing like the all-enveloping burqa, worn by some Muslim women, could violate the constitutional guarantee against religious discrimination.
The main Dutch Muslim organization CMO has been critical of any possible ban. The idea was “an overreaction to a very marginal problem” because hardly any Dutch women wear burqas anyway, said Ayhan Tonca of the CMO. “It’s just ridiculous.”
Parliament vote uncertain
In the past, a majority of the Dutch parliament has said it would approve a ban on burqas, but opinion polls ahead of national elections Nov. 22 suggest a shift away from that position, and it is unclear if a majority in the new parliament would still back the government-proposed ban.
The issue has resonance throughout Europe. Former British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw recently caused a stir by saying he wants Muslim women to abandon the full-face veil — a view endorsed by Prime Minister Tony Blair. In France, the center-right’s leading presidential candidate Nicolas Sarkozy has increasingly been adopting some of the rhetoric of the extreme-right.

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In Holland, policies associated with the nationalist fringe in 2002 have been co-opted by the center: holding asylum-seekers in detention centers, more muscle for the police and intelligence services, and visa examinations that require would-be immigrants to watch videos of homosexuals kissing and of topless women on the beach. Everyone must learn to speak Dutch, and Muslim clerics must mind what they say in their Friday sermons for fear of deportation.
Slaying triggered Dutch debate
The issue was given added urgency with the 2004 slaying of filmmaker Theo Van Gogh by a Muslim fanatic and the failed attempt to expel a Somali-born critic of Islam of her Dutch citizenship.
About 1 million Muslims live in the Netherlands, about 6 percent of the population of 16 million, but only a few hundred are believed to regularly wear a burqa.
After France banned the wearing of head scarves in public schools, the Dutch government decided to leave that question up to individual schools. Most allow head scarves.
The city of Utrecht has cut some welfare benefits to unemployed women who insist on wearing burqas to job interviews. The city claimed the women were using the burqa to avoid working, since they knew they would not be hired.
 
Burkas make all the girls look good! i personally wear burquas whenever a male guest comes over. Dutch are mad because they can't do anything important
 
for me it's just about freedom, and stopping them from practicing their religion will only convince them that Osama Bin Laden is right. That non muslims are engaged in a war against Islam.
 
I hope it doesnt go through, though I can see how it could be presented as a security measure, its obvious thats not the case here.
 
I hope it turns out for the right cause this is all wrong. :huh:
 
Wow, it's so odd for me to read that in English. I still don't know where I stand on this one.
 
the dutch should ban those tight t-shirts that show of a women's bellybutton.
but only for fatties, it's a priviledge not a right ya beached whale ya!!!
 
Well WarLord tends to be right winger, and he's just so generous that he's not willing to let muslims practice their religion now.
 
Spider-Bite said:
Well WarLord tends to be right winger, and he's just so generous that he's not willing to let muslims practice their religion now.

I simply believe that proper discourse requires people to see each other's faces.
 
War Lord said:
I simply believe that proper discourse requires people to see each other's faces.

Guess it's "buh-bye telephone, cell phone and Internet" for War Lord. :up:
 
Burkas have nothing to do with islam religon
it is just some tradition in some arab countries
i live in egypt (which is a muslim country) and no one wears them here!
 
Spider-Bite said:
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How does a burkah liberate women? :huh:
 
Well dont hate me for my opionion but i hope that happens here in the UK.
 
Darthphere said:
I hope it doesnt go through, though I can see how it could be presented as a security measure, its obvious thats not the case here.
Then what is the case here, according to you?
 
phoenix_force said:
Burkas have nothing to do with islam religon
it is just some tradition in some arab countries
i live in egypt (which is a muslim country) and no one wears them here!

At least until the Islamicists try and impose their will.
 
Fenrir said:
Guess it's "buh-bye telephone, cell phone and Internet" for War Lord. :up:

On the telephone, cell phone or internet, there isn't any need to see the person's face, but in person there is.
 
Wow good to know that that country practices freedom of religion.:up: Only a fool would agree that this idea is even remotely fair or right.
 
War Lord thinks, and rightly I might add that religion has no place in civlized society. and that rules and regulations imposed upon us by religion also should be ignored for the broader and more thoroughly thought out laws that man himself creates.
 
Where does it stop? Would I soon be forced to wear tight T-shirts or jeans?
 
Mr Sparkle said:
War Lord thinks, and rightly I might add that religion has no place in civlized society. and that rules and regulations imposed upon us by religion also should be ignored for the broader and more thoroughly thought out laws that man himself creates.
So people shouldn't be allowed to practice their religion. And his and your opinion isn't right, it's wrong IMHO.
 
Guyverjay said:
Its not required as part of their religion.
I'm a muslim dude I know that, but does that mean that they shouldn't be able to wear it if they want to, I mean if women are allowed by the law to run around in thongs on the beach why can't these women wear burkas?

Covering up your body should be against the law and showing is a-okay? Sheesh makes me weep for the human race.
 

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