The Dark Knight Rises Eckhart on Dent returning: "I could not possibly say."

[Godzilla2014]

Well, TDK would remain largely the same, I would have either cut out the Two-Face subplot at the end, and end the film with Two-Face walking into the bar and saying "half..."

I don't know if I would have liked it. Seems like too much of a cliffhanger to have to wait four years to see the rest of the scene. If I were to cut the Two-Face subplot, I would drop it around the time that Joker blows up the hospital and he goes missing. Then the rest of the film proceeds as it did, but without the Two-Face scenes, thus ending after Batman and Joker's battle at the Prewitt Building and their conversation afterward.

Or I would have kept it similar, but instead of Two-Face being dead, have Bats and Gordon agree to lock Harvey up, secretly, and try to rehabilitate him while letting Bats take the fall for what Harvey did. And then go into how Harvey continues to deteriorate in lockup, eventually escaping..

Hell no. That is illegal in America, and would be the ultimate betrayal of their ideals of justice if Harvey Dent is incarcerated without due process, and that the Joker won by making them break their principles.

 

[nikdavies15]

I honestly think it's a bit much to say that one of Batman's most popular villains for 50 plus years, a character with years and years of material, couldn't be the feature villain for one film.

I'm not sure if I'm agreeing or disagreeing with you here, as I haven't read all the posts in this thread, but when TDK was released.....

.....in an interview with the Los Angeles Times, Nolan said:

“Harvey Dent is a tragic figure, and his story is the backbone of this film.”

The main focus of the movie WAS the Harvey Dent / Two-Face character; Dent's decent from White Knight to Dark Knight. If not the feature villain, he was definitely the feature character......in Nolan's and my humble opinion.

Someone remarked that they thought Dent was unconscious after the fall - I did too. I know Bats had the armour to help protect him, but I always felt the height of the fall was not enough to kill anyone.

I also agree that it was a bit of a lame death scene, if it was his death scene. I can see how he can be brought back in DKR and how it would fit with Gordon's speech, Batman taking the blame, etc. as ultimately Harvey Dent is dead and only Two-Face remains.....and the Gotham public haven't 'met' Two-Face yet. Technically this would fit.

But I wouldn't want it to.

The best script/screenplay in the world wouldn't be able to bring him back without it looking ever so slightly hacked. There was no reason at the end of TDK for us to believe he was alive. It is only the speculation on opinion boards and websites like this one that keep the idea alive.

Nolan says he's dead - he's dead.

 

[nikdavies15]

And I whole-heartedly agree with Godzilla.....

 

[Matt Mortem]

In regards to Dent's death, let's be fair. The dude's face was burnt to ****. I'm sure falling just kinda put the last nail in his coffin. He shouldn't have been alive in the first place

 

[Godzilla2014]

I'm not sure if I'm agreeing or disagreeing with you here, as I haven't read all the posts in this thread, but when TDK was released.....

.....in an interview with the Los Angeles Times, Nolan said:

“Harvey Dent is a tragic figure, and his story is the backbone of this film.”

The main focus of the movie WAS the Harvey Dent / Two-Face character; Dent's decent from White Knight to Dark Knight. If not the feature villain, he was definitely the feature character......in Nolan's and my humble opinion.

Someone remarked that they thought Dent was unconscious after the fall - I did too. I know Bats had the armour to help protect him, but I always felt the height of the fall was not enough to kill anyone.

I also agree that it was a bit of a lame death scene, if it was his death scene. I can see how he can be brought back in DKR and how it would fit with Gordon's speech, Batman taking the blame, etc. as ultimately Harvey Dent is dead and only Two-Face remains.....and the Gotham public haven't 'met' Two-Face yet. Technically this would fit.

But I wouldn't want it to.

The best script/screenplay in the world wouldn't be able to bring him back without it looking ever so slightly hacked. There was no reason at the end of TDK for us to believe he was alive. It is only the speculation on opinion boards and websites like this one that keep the idea alive.

Nolan says he's dead - he's dead.

I agree. It would be like how Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines pretty much ignored all the crap that was done by the Connors, Dyson, and the T-800 to prevent the creation of Skynet and Judgement Day. Plus, doing Two-Face in this film leaves the third free to do as it pleases. In the end, the movie revolves around Bruce Wayne/Batman, Joker, Harvey Dent, and James Gordon. Batman and Joker act and react to each other, and those actions effect Harvey Dent and Gordon. Harvey is a central part of the movie. He is the man he failed to save who became the monster that Bruce fears he would have to become to stop men like the Joker, and because Dent is dead, he can't fix that.

And I whole-heartedly agree with Godzilla.....

Thank you!

 

[nikdavies15]

Man, I'm just thinking how sweet it would have been had Harvey gone missing during the hospital explosion.

Eckhart nailed the performance in TDK, and the look was just beyond what anyone could have hoped for.

Still, I am waiting with bated breath to find out who the main villain of TDKR will be. Lame title though......

 

[mrbrownie]

Yes they did. Yes, they most certainly did.
Watch Eckhart's performance and note the subtle shifts in both expression and voice.

I'll put it as plainly as I can:

HARVEY DENT
Shouting, angry, bitter, mourning for Rachel. Still capable of some humanity, notice he saves the boy for last. Subconciously trying to give the kid better odds. The Dent personality is human, misguided rage.

TWO-FACE
Dead-eyed. Lazy and slurred speech. Weary movements. Almost zombie-like and utterly slavish in his devotion to the coin - Notice how Eckhart delivers the line "Unbiased. Unprejudiced. Fair." Two-Face is the cold and cruel personality that puts Dent's anger to good use.

The reason I love Eckhart's performance so much is because they don't hit you over the head with the split personality business. You see it for yourself, the man is a damn lunatic. He goes from an inpassioned monologue about personal loss to an emotionless sermon on the benefits of luck.

Nolan and company correctly realised that Harvey Dent works best when he's not shown as a good, flawless man driven to villainy because of a random violent act. His motives and Two-Face's motives are the same. Become powerful, eliminate the 'scum', overcome his ****** childhood. One of them is full of impotent rage at an unfair world, the other is able to convert that rage into action.

Two-Face shot those people, but Harvey was the one who enjoyed doing it.

 

[Batmarv]

Ridiculous. Two-Face is dead. Expired, bought the farm, kicked the bucket, an ex D.A! DEAD. Nolan has said it countless times, Eckhart confirmed it about half a second before that interview! He is clearly ****ing with us and the reporter AND he answers the question "Will we EVER see Harvey again". I tell ya, people give CBM a hard time for posting rumors they post but they didn't post this horse****.

 

[El Payaso]

Eckhardt's performance was by far my favourite of TDK.

 

[joker1524]

Eckhardt's performance was by far my favourite of TDK.

its sad his peformance wasnt appreciated enough but he was fantastic..he was spot on and gave such a mind blowing peformance...his transformation from white knight to the darkness known as two face was done so well by him...great story..great acting on his part...I believe in Harvey Dent

 

[jacobed]

He's dead and isn't coming back. I think Eckhart has just heard the question so many times he's starting to have some fun with it.

 

[Two-Face]

Eckhart is underrated actor.

 

[joker1524]

Eckhart is underrated actor.

much like bale was before his award..i see more great roles for eckhart in the future..btw..anybody see battle L.A yet...i'm going to see in a couple of hours..just wanted to know peoples thoughts on it since Harvey Dent is going up against aliens

 

[Avengers-Report]

I cannot believe how big of a deal everyone is making about this. Clearly a joke. It was even posted on SHH Official Page. Crazy.

 

[ChrisB]

Eckhart is underrated actor.

Agreed. I thought he gave the 2nd best performance in TDK.

 

[Superboy-Prime]

It will no doubt be flashbacks or something, they will film new scenes for the flashback, so technically he will be in it. he died at the end of TDK

 

[emma_c22000]

For my personal satisfaction what I would like to see happen has been mentioned a few times on this board so far - Dent is "dead" to the public but Two Face is locked away in Arkham. I don't think that's too far-fetched considering the fall that "killed" him didn't appear too high and the ground he landed on was somewhat soft (if my memory serves me right).

If he did show up alive in Arkham though, I'd love it if Nolan went against his earlier statements about not recasting the Joker and put Joseph Gordon-Levitt in there as the Joker with him. Then there would be Two Face, the Joker, Scarecrow and maybe Victor Zsasz for Bane to bust out giving Batman a gauntlet to run before an attempt to break him. Throw Catwoman, Talia and a returning Ra's into the mix and it would be all hell breaking loose - literally.

But that's just my personal fantasy. I'm sure the reality will be far from that. What I am sure of though is that I haven't been disappointed with anything Chris Nolan has done so far and I'm sure that weather Aaron Eckhart is in TDKR or not Chris Nolan will deliver the goods again.

 

[Hurm...]

I can see Eckhart in a Coen Brothers movie lol, idk why.

 

[Travesty]

I can see Eckhart in a Coen Brothers movie lol, idk why.

After seeing Keaton in The Other Guys, I really miss him in comedies. I think he would be GREAT in a Coen Brothers comedy.

 

[Sarafinawells]

He's dead folks, deal with it http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/news/a308752/eckhart-dark-knight-leak-is-career-suicide.html Eckhart fuelled recent speculation that he may yet appear in The Dark Knight Rises by dodging enquiries about his connection to the much-anticipated project. He teased: "How can I possibly answer that question? That would be career suicide." Despite remaining tight-lipped about the next Batman flick, Eckhart did confirm Dent's fate upon being asked whether he had spoken to Nolan about the film's plot. "I won't say that," he refused. "But I will say Harvey Dent is dead."

 

[batmanofbaylor]

harvey dent may be dead. but is two-face? dun dun dun

 

[Texas Zombie]

If he didn't die, then the entire point of what made batman heoric at the end is null and void. No thanks.

He was covering two-faces tracks, the heroics are still there. The Ending is final, but the character lived, it could make harveys actions in tdk null, but wouldnt that make batman the one true saviorof gotham. It would show his heroics further, all hate from the city would be undone, he could become a legend.

 

[El Payaso]

harvey dent may be dead. but is two-face? dun dun dun

Dun dun dun even think about it. Both are dead since they're the same.

 

[Texas Zombie]

Unless it is a complete transformation of character, he wakes up from severe head trauma with split personality, it could be simply that the Harvey dent everyone knew is dead and two face is now very, alive.

 

[Anjow1060]

Uh - I'm not knocking Eckhart's performance. It's great and all but...

if we're talking the overlooked star who should have at least have been recognized with a best supporting nomination - it's Gary Oldman.

Hard to believe that man has never been recognized by the Academy.

"Dent is in there with them, we have to save Dent! I have to save Dent!"