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Discussion in 'Batman Begins' started by Catman, Jun 15, 2005.
This score was great, loved it very much. But it just can't top Elfman.
Yep, and if you look closely, Walker also did the aranging on the Elfman scores. So she took the peiano notes that he wrote for the theme adn fleshed them out to make the Elfman score for the movie.
And let's not forget Steve Bartek. He contributed a lot as a producer for the scores.
I'm not a huge Elfman fan.. I think all of scores sound the same.... or similar....
the only piece of music that I like of his from the SM movies is this short melody they play when Peter's talking to MJ.... other than that... if you hear his scores for Batman, Batman Returns, Edward Scissorhands, SM & SM2, Beetlejuice.. they all have a similar sound.
You can say the same about Hans Zimmer.
No Hans Zimmer defenders?
I'm not going to try to defend him but could you list ~3 Zimmer scores that sound the same to you?
Gladiator, The Last Samurai, Batman Begins
They were both good for their movies.
Elfman's over the top style would have sounded ridiculous with the realist tone of BB.
Zimmer/Howard would have been to understated for B89's uber-gothic feel.
I agree and disagree. Yes, of course Elfman would be to over the top for BB and Zimmer/Howard to understated for B89. You compose music to fit the movie. NOW if you were to judge the score itself I would still say Elfman was better.
this is short, sweet and straight to the point. thank you sir!
Okay this is just ridiculous.
This proves my point that some are fans that will say anything new (Batman Begins) is better. If anyone thinks that the BB theme (which is good, but not memorable) is better than Elfman's much better well rounded score (and then he just outdoes himself in BR, the best part of that movie was the even better score) is delliusional.
Just my opinion though.
Sorry for that outburst, it was way too obnoxious and pretentious of me, I am sorry if I came off as a jackass, but that is how I feel about this.
Everyone know the main theme from BF and B&R is the best one... J/k
Elfman wrote a GREAT theme, but his score wasn't as emotive as the zimmer/howard one.
I'd like to hear you defend that point.
Yeah, Elfman's theme was the only thing the old movies did better than the new one.
The ONLY thing.
I think any "theme" in the movie would have pulled me out of the film. This film stands on its own. No need to have a rising fanfair when it would only seem out of place with the rest of the tone of the film.
Elfman's score is just classic. Zimmer/Howard's just sounds like every historical drama score of the last five years. It's okay, but Elfman really nailed a signature sound that you can associate with Batman. Nothing beats "Descent Into Mystery".
this score was more epic.....the Elfman score was to fantasy and whimsical.
I don't think any bit of HOward/Zimmer's score was as epic as when it played when Batman took down that first thug on the roof top at the beginning and said "I'm Batman," certainly not nearly as epic as "Descent into Mystery," not as epic or with as much pathos as when Batman enters the cathedral half-dead for the first time and climbs the stair case with that epic powerhouse score music playing, and not as grand and old school epic as the whole 2 minutes of "Finale" is.
Honestly, if you want epic listen to those four scenes music in B'89. Then go watch BR and listen to any Batman cue, or if to save time just the main titles and skip to the end starting with Batman confronting a half-broken Catwoman and Walken and enjoy.
You can't beat the Finale from Batman 89...it gives me chills every time I hear it.
Elfman's score are the best for the Burton movies because it fits with the mood, that music would be out of place in Batman Begins, Zimmer/Howard's music is just as great that I went out to buy the soundtrack because it fits in with Nolan's grittier take on Batman.
All three composers are good in their own way and I can't single out who's the best, of course Elfman gave Bats a memorable theme while BB doesn't have a recognizable theme it's still moody and creepy.
just thank god they didn't go with Elliot Goldenthal.
What about Birth of the Penguin?
i like better the zimmer-howards theme.
more epic.although elfmans theme was cool to.
That was good, but Penguin's main theme is good too.
I personally think the best is Finale it is just so damn triumphant and powerful. I mean it was one of the most beautiful endings I've ever seen, and the best ending in a superhero movie to date (yes better than the Joker card rooftop chat/swooshing down at camera again one last time).