Episode 11 "Past Directions" Discussion

[Neto Magnus]

Spoiler

Maverick has a daughter??

 

[Cyma]

I thought everyone agreed not to use spoiler tags anymore


Is it just me or Wolverine centered episodes take longer to come online? Anyways, this was much better than Wolvie vs. Hulk since we get to see the other X-men and even the Brotherhood. Wonder what Magneto has asked Pietro to do. Perhaps steal Professor X’s body or something? And I really felt like smacking Rogue on the head for going through all the trouble of overhearing Pietro’s conversation, then sneaking out to warn the X-men but not telling them anything because Wolverine wasn’t there! But apart from that, it looks like Emma has a little crush on Scott A good episode overall.

 

[usagicassidy]

Great episode. With the momentum episodes 8-10 have brought us, I knew sometime soon we'd get episodes that were more akin to 5 (Wolvie vs Gambit) or 7 (Wolvie vs Hulk) - and honestly, this one was better than both of them.

The strength in this episode came from the building of long arcs and plots, and the continuation of others. It was wonderful to see the brotherhood as a subplot, and nice to have seen all the X-Men in this episode (except Storm once again - what does she do while everyone else is around? Watch sappy chick flicks with Cyclops and be sad together?)

And while everyone may argue about Cyclops being the poster emo boy what have you (and I'll agree I wish he had more lines/screen time), I think they have a great charicterization with very few words. Although it hasn't been said or stated - I see a broken man, a man devoted to Xavier and his cause, and the love of his life Jean, and all of that's turned to shambles. He's not sure if he believes in the X-Men anymore, and he certainly doesn't believe in himself. He is stuck in a moment, not able to move past that explosion from episode 1.

Although many viewers may not know that or "see" it, we've all discussed how WATXM expects a little knowledge of character and history from its viewers, and that's fine with me. Cyke had a lot to do in TAS and EVO. It's okay that he takes the sidelines on this one.

Wolverine discovering his past. Meh. Take it or leave it. Though I was entertained and surely we'll see a full-out Weapon X episode soon that will have built upon this episode - hopefully with X-23 as the 'new' version of Wolverine sent to destroy him or something.

Angel better show up in one of the next two episodes. Just because I said so.

 

[TheVileOne]

Good episode that did build some sub-storylines for later on this season.

I think the thing with Rogue sort of underscores that her problem is with Logan and how she feels he's rejected her feelings. Not to mention Rogue having abandoment issues as well.

Magneto's definitely planning something nasty. But what did Quicksilver do that ticked Magneto off that much?

 

[TheVileOne]

Good episode that did build some sub-storylines for later on this season.

I think the thing with Rogue sort of underscores that her problem is with Logan and how she feels he's rejected her feelings. Not to mention Rogue having abandoment issues as well.

Magneto's definitely planning something nasty. But what did Quicksilver do that ticked Magneto off that much?

 

[DMRadz]

I like the ep only when it didn't involve Wolverine. The Wolverine stuff I thought was a tad boring. I never liked whether it was XM:TAS or XM:E when they did Wolverine stories.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Nothing special, just some build up. Still a pretty good episode

 

[shadowdog]

pretty cool episode
glad to see Maverick didn't die

 

[TNC9852002]

Liked seeing Maverick's use of his powers...

It makes me wonder how far they'll go with Agent Zero's appearance in Wolverine..

-TNC

 

[stillanerd]

Well this certainly was an interesting episode, one that both advanced and added new subplots. Not to mention took some liberties with X-Men canon.

Spoiler

For one thing, Sabretooth is still working for the Weapon X program in this series, even though in the comics he was a mercenary who, like Logan, left the program. Also, Maverick is given a daughter who seems to have a combination of both Jean Gray's telekinesis and Avalanche's control of earth and stone, which includes liquefying it. Also, they add the element that Logan's amnesia is the only thing keeping him alive since he's apparently to difficult to control, which heightens the conspiracy aspect of the Weapon X program.

The other storyline was Rogue's continuing second thoughts about joining the Brotherhood, although mostly it's another excuse to make Rogue act like Logan's jilted ex-girlfriend when she shows up at the Mansion looking for him to tell about Magneto's secret operation for the Brotherhood. Plus the fact that both Rogue and Logan tell Hank not to trust the other pretty much implies that these two may have supressed feeling for each other. At least that was my interpretation anyway.

Speaking of potential romances, it also looks like Emma is on her way of taking a more personal interest in Scott, considerin how she was distracted by looking at him brooding at the cliffside. Not to mention she's also playing into Logan's desire to know more about his past and using that to have a greater influence on the team over Xavier. I like that, even now, we still don't have complete trust in her, which goes into the whole notion that this team of X-Men is more of the "outlaw" variety.

There was a few oddities though. The biggest one was Logan showing up at Maverick's old cabin which must have been adbandoned for at least a decade and yet all the evidence of Logan's fight with Maverick and Sabretooth in the past are still there. Not to mention Maverick's daughter is still hanging around the place. Also, after Beast makes a point to Bobby of the value of books over the internet, it's Bobby who uses the internet to help Logan find the two mountains he remembers in his flashbacks and that the books are just an afterthought. Yeah, way to send mixed messages there guys.

Overall, an okay episode.

 

[Dread]

Considering this show was intended to give Wolverine the majority of the focus by making him the star character, it is a small feat that we got beyond 10 episodes without even one allusion to his past in Weapon X. Then again, it is worth noting that episode #11 of X-MEN EVOLUTION was "Grim Reminder", the Wolverine/Weapon X episode, which Greg Johnson oversaw. What is it about the 11th episode that makes it ripe for Wolverine focus?

However, this episode also shows that the show's writers as they go along know how to play with subplots, to give every episode a piece of the longer arc so that none of them seem random. TMNT did this for marvelous effect, and W&TXM appears to be catching on, including subplots from the Brotherhood and beyond into this episode, so it isn't just a "Wolverine explores his past" episode that could have been done at any point in the season after episode 3. And that is good. Viewers hate "pointless" episodes. Even if the core plot doesn't meet your fancy, a good subplot makes things advance.

Spoiler

In this episode, Future Xavier isn't just giving Logan marching orders like a trained puppy, he is sifting through his jumbled memories to help Logan explore his past. Of course, Logan not knowing about his past is a vital part of the character, and unlike the comics, in animation, this horse hasn't quite been run into the ground yet. Logan sees flashbacks involving a raid on a cabin, fighting a super-powered man, and seemingly killing him while a young girl screams. Hopefully you liked these flashbacks...because you will see them over and over and over and over again this episode. In the same order. Even in negative colors to transition between scenes. I understand a lot of shows with similar plots do that, but by about the 5th time it was getting a little grating.

Frustrated when Xavier refuses to delve deeper, thinking Logan needs to have his "eye on the ball" so to speak in running the X-Men (a reasonable objective, least from Future Xavier's POV), Logan runs to Emma for psychic help. Interupting her Scott stalking session, Ms. Frost accepts the challenge. Part of it, at least from what I caught, was because part of her wanted to do something Xavier refused to do; perhaps to show up the old psychic. Not that I don't believe Frost genuinely can help someone at times. Just I felt she seemed extra interested when Logan said Xavier "wouldn't" delve deeper.

Unlike in some past Logan-focus episodes, nearly every X-Man is seen on camera aside for Storm and Forge, and everyone but Scott from that set gets in several lines. It is good to showcase as many X-Men as possible, to enforce that team aspect. Kitty and Bobby get some more time together, with Kitty obviously being the more well read and intelligent of the two; Bobby appears easily bored when he isn't out being Iceman. Which is fine; Iceman was often the joker, the one who usually was eager to play hero and wasn't as angst-ridden as fellow founders Scott or Warren. Considering both are often bare bones, I am liking some of the scenes the two are having together the past two episodes. They're a spunky couple.

One could say, though, as there are no other teenagers on the team, they could be hooking up just because everyone else is older and it is boring and yadda yadda, and that would be true, too. But I don't mind them so far. Naturally, of course, it is worth noting that Kitty has been a starring character in two shows now and hasn't been paired up with her comic counterpart, instead either being paired up by someone the writers cobbled together, like Avalanche, or in this case, taking some ques from ULTIMATE X-MEN/X-MEN 3 with Iceman. I'm not B****ing right now, I just find it interesting. Imagine if Jean was in two shows and was not even hinted at being with Scott in either. That'd be amazing, wouldn't it?

There are some who see Scott as just a quiet moper, whose character hasn't budged an inch in almost a season's worth of episodes (most cartoons have 13 episodes a season). Others see some Shakespeare -ish torment in his short scenes. Me? I don't give the writers more credit than they deserve; Scott is sitting on the shelf until his obligatory focus episode, which I know is coming (thanks to wikipedia and some spoilers spoken about on these forums). Until then, he really isn't much of a character. It reminds me of a scene from SUPERMAN where Luthor goes, "Some people can read WAR AND PEACE and come away with a simple adventure story, while others can read the ingredients of a chewing gum wrapper and unlock the secrets of the universe." Let's not think the scene where Scott sits on a bench near a cliff and probably contemplates throwing himself off as unlocking the secrets to the universe here. He's only on the X-Men because whenever he tries to leave, someone says something about Xavier or Jean and he sulks and tags along. But at least he is shaving again. Nothing we see in Scott in Episode 11 is in any way different than how he was in episode 4. Nothing. So, yeah, it wasn't a bad little scene, and I liked the allusion that Emma Frost, for no reason besides Grant Morrison's comics, appears to be "interested" in him. Why? He's nothing on this show but a puppet with an eye-beam. Maybe because he is easily manipulated? In the comics, Frost often has had Scott wrapped around her finger.

To be fair, X-MEN EVOLUTION was really the show that did wonders for Cyclops for over three seasons. So one could say having him go back to being a boring, one note eye-beam guy isn't the worst injustice.

Beast tries teaching Iceman about the wonders of books, but it is the Internet that allows Bobby to help Logan with his search for the twin mountains of his memory. Armed with this knowledge, Logan rides off. But, low, it doesn't end there! Rogue, who still doesn't feel at home with the Brotherhood, overhears Pietro talking to Magneto about something, and arrives to tell Wolverine, only he isn't around. While the Scott subplot is virtually non-existent, I think this subplot is coming along nicely. This is now the second olive branch Rogue has offered Wolverine, and for one reason or another he has batted it away. In "Time Bomb", Logan wouldn't even look at her when she probably could have been convinced to return with a minor speech. This time, Rogue arrives back and is confronted with the very thing she ran from; Logan's never being around when it counted. Some might say, "well, leave a message with Beast" and that would have made tactical sense. But I doubt anyone but Wolverine could bring Rogue back from the cold, and every time Rogue is sort of seeking that "sign", Logan doesn't give it to her and simply proves why she left, and can't be relied upon. I like Rogue's costume here and it is a bit daring that the show is alluding to a possible relationship between the two beyond mentor/student. I doubt they will go there, but then again, if Rogue is 18 or over in this show, does it matter? The movies had that mentor/crush aspect but the comics in the 80's had that between the two as well. It's a sordid little relationship and it is interesting to see.

Mark Hildreth voices Quicksilver here and it took me a while to recognize him, but he often has been a voice actor whose work I have enjoyed, and it is for the stupidest reason. Out of all the stuff he has done for Ocean Group, the thing that caught my attention was the FATAL FURY anime in the early 90's that is now long out of print but saw a long life on VHS and early DVD's. Almost no one seems to care about those three flicks, but I liked them and considered them the peak of video game anime, and he starred in them. Ever since whenever he's landed somewhere in a role, I sort of smirk. He played Angel in X-MEN EVOLUTION and the part was good for him, even if it got little to do. This time around, he has more to do as Quicksilver and it is weird to hear him voicing someone who isn't quite a hero. Of course Pietro thinks he is fighting for what is best for mutants, and wants to please his father, but he still looks like Dark Peter Pan in that costume, which at this point I think is intentional. Hildreth has more edge at times when he plays Pietro and it is interesting to hear. Domino (Gwendaline Yeo) also acts as Rogue's mother figure on the team with Johnson & Kyle still writing Blob for laughs, as they did most of the time in Evolution.

Oh, right, the whole Wolverine plot. Well, it isn't bad, but I think I liked "GRIM REMINDER" better. Wolverine returns to the scene of his memory which is a smashed up cabin near the Canadian border that belonged to Christopher Nord, a.k.a. Maverick. The place is still a wreck and bares the signs of battle, but apparently Chris' daughter has never left the place or cleaned it up, and shows up to pummel Wolverine. She has control over earth & rocks and she honestly reminded me of one of Brubake's newer mutant characters from DEADLY GENESIS, Petra. Both seem to have similar powers and designs. She wants answers from Logan for why her father was "taken" (note; not killed), but Logan doesn't have them, either.

Thankfully, this isn't WOLVERINE: ORIGINS, which has done a lot to imply that Logan was a heartless bastard before he got amnesia. Once the rest of the memories come in, we learn that Logan wanted to abort the mission once he learned about Nord's daughter, and he ended up saving her life from his cruel commander, Sabretooth.

Weapon X is Logan's codename for this secret cabal, made up of timeless comic figures like Dr. Cornelius and Prof. Thorton, who still apparently have bases in Canada. Sabretooth also still works for them, which I think is a fine move; rather than have him working for Magneto, or just some typical loner super villain, he is a nasty guy who works for the evil humans. It works. What DOESN'T work is his atrocious costume design. It's horrendous; I literally laughed at my computer screen the first time I saw it. It looks like he took some leftover spandex from Marvel's Tiger Shark, stole some Bat-gauntlets from BATMAN BEGINS and then tosses a trenchcoat over it for that last hint from the first film, which was so recent that Bill Clinton was President when it was in production. Sabretooth can work in spandex, if it has a decent scheme. He can work in a trench. But in both, he doesn't. From the neck-up Creed looked fine, and was voiced serviceably by Peter Lurie, but I just could never get past that ridiculous costume.

I should also note that we have another oddly paced fight scene with Wolverine that might actually be worse than "WOLVERINE VS. THE HULK". And I must say, for a show starring Wolverine, he seems to get the crap beaten out of him an awful lot; here, he not only was schooled by a girl, but needed her to beat Sabretooth for him. Fans who expected him to dominate fight scenes may be in for a surprise. It hasn't reached the jobber status that he had in much of X-MEN EVOLUTION (which, after a while, did piss me off), but the golden rule of X-Men comics is that Wolverine has to beat Sabretooth. It's his enemy. It's like the Ninja Turtles failing to beat the Shredder. Simon Belmont failing to beat Dracula. Link failing to beat Ganon. That sort of thing. I don't mind Logan being beaten to the punch by some of his fellow X-Men, but a random girl? Yikes. "Best there is at what he does" is an overstatement. Nightcrawler EASILY has gotten the best action sequences. Why do Marvel shows struggle with action pacing so much? Especially with the X-Men's star character?

Wolverine returns to the X-Men and isn't even disturbed about missing Rogue, telling Hank to not trust her (Beast notes she told him likewise). And Sabretooth reports to his masters that Logan is still mostly clueless, and then hints to the obviously brainwashed Maverick that his daughter is still alive.

I should note this is the first time in about a decade that Maverick has been animated, for those who care about him. I really don't, but it is worth mentioning. X-MEN EVOLUTION had network demands for kids, so the Weapon X subplot was never really explored; while this episode may not have been the best, I do expect the writers to play with the subplot more, so I can forgive some of the mis-steps for now and attribute them to build-up. It appears that Johnson & Kyle are hinting at reusing their plot point for Weapon X from Evolution; where Logan & Sabretooth were not simply super-commandoes, but made SPECIFICALLY to be "mutant slayers". It would be interesting to tie Weapon X in with Trask, such as another division of the same general goal; mutants who can't be brainwashed or taken out by mutie commandos require the big robots. It would work out because instead of Weapon X just being this program that ties into Wolverine, it would thus endanger all of his friends even without being associated to him.

The theme of course is that even when Logan wasn't an X-Man, he had honor to him and would not simply blindly follow orders; unless of course they are from a disembodied Charles Xavier. Sabretooth is Logan's opposite match, who has no remorse or sense of fashion. The Rogue subplot with the Brotherhood continues and the Scott subplot is...can we call it a subplot? That requires actual movement. It's sort of there. Scott Moping, episode 11.

It wasn't the best episode of the show, but I probably liked it more than the Gambit episode and it's perfectly fine. Good, not great. Which may be annoying for some, but good, not great is perfectly fine for a first season in the long term. There are plenty of shows that were garbage (or barely averaging mediocre) in season 1, and W&TXM isn't that. It just has growing pains, and is working through them by slowly embracing subplots and involving more characters as they go. Past episodes matter and actions have reactions, and that is the way to go. While I may nitpick W&TXM to death, I am genuinely interested in seeing the direction the show is going on, and I have faith there is a direction. That is a good 70% of what a good show has to deliver.

 

[TheVileOne]

I think the flawed relationship between Rogue and Logan and both of their stubborn behavior is one of the best parts of the show. Logan did come forth and try to mend the fences with her and she's angrily refused. Not to mention she did betray their trust and set them up which I imagine hurt Wolverine pretty badly. And Wolverine's attitude is pretty justified, Rogue has to earn her redemption. Rogue comes back again and it seems the one guy she wants to be there isn't around.

And once again, I think for Rogue this runs a lot deeper than Logan taking off or not being around. And my feeling is the same as when I first saw the pilot. Rogue is in love with Wolverine and she feels he's rejecting her. Rogue wants some sort of acceptance or acknowledgement of her feelings from Wolverine and he's not giving it to her. That's the "sign" that she wants more than Wolverine being around more.

I did love the little scene early on with Domino and Rogue. Domino's another character I really like since she's not really a villain, she just happens to be on the Brotherhood side of the conflict.

 

[Neptune]

Meh, it was an OK episode. But really, Weapon X/ Wolverine's past has been done to death. Not saying this version was bad, it was just nothing new. Maverick's daughter has an awesome power by the way. That was some high class earthbending. She owned Sabes.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Id say it was new Weapon X. I dont think Maverick has had that kind of screentime before, and hes going to come back. There was a scene of him in the original trailer that didnt come up in this episode. Its nice to see Weapon X have more focus that Wolvie and Sabes

 

[Dread]

I think the flawed relationship between Rogue and Logan and both of their stubborn behavior is one of the best parts of the show. Logan did come forth and try to mend the fences with her and she's angrily refused. Not to mention she did betray their trust and set them up which I imagine hurt Wolverine pretty badly. And Wolverine's attitude is pretty justified, Rogue has to earn her redemption. Rogue comes back again and it seems the one guy she wants to be there isn't around.

And once again, I think for Rogue this runs a lot deeper than Logan taking off or not being around. And my feeling is the same as when I first saw the pilot. Rogue is in love with Wolverine and she feels he's rejecting her. Rogue wants some sort of acceptance or acknowledgement of her feelings from Wolverine and he's not giving it to her. That's the "sign" that she wants more than Wolverine being around more.

I did love the little scene early on with Domino and Rogue. Domino's another character I really like since she's not really a villain, she just happens to be on the Brotherhood side of the conflict.

Domino's fine. Considering this is her first time being animated, she is being handled rather well.

I am enjoying the Rogue/Logan dynamic. While I really enjoyed the reworked Rogue in EVOLUTION, this version is better able to straddle the movie and comic depiction. Plus, her original costume was always her most recognizable.

Meh, it was an OK episode. But really, Weapon X/ Wolverine's past has been done to death. Not saying this version was bad, it was just nothing new. Maverick's daughter has an awesome power by the way. That was some high class earthbending. She owned Sabes.

She reminded me of Petra from DEADLY GENESIS.

I agree that Weapon X has usually been done to death. However, the show's producers have a chance to explore Weapon X more and improve on other shows by doing more with it. Let's hope they exploit that. Considering almost nothing in the show has been wasted; nearly every angle or appearance has a reaction or a follow up, I say the odds are likely.

 

[Cyclonus]

I wonder with Magneto is planning, he had Mystique sneak in to try to get to the prof. Then he has Quicksilver planning something, also he's been trying to keep tabs on the X-Men. Also what did Quicksilver do to get kicked of Genosha and now he has to prove himself to his father?

 

[usagicassidy]

I know, right? The image we had of Magneto in EVO was quite maniacal and dark, with an ominous theme every time he shows up, a dark voice, and a shadowed face. However, that Magneto seemed to be....god, how do I want to say it? Not full-fledged evil. He does want the X-Men destroyed and he does publicly reveal mutants, but he's also an ally and fights along the X-Men to defeat Apocalypse.

THIS Magneto...he seems kind, considerate, and trying to build a free tomorrow for mutants. But this is all a facade. He's imprisoning mutants who act out, he's spying on the X-Men, he's exiled his son for a yet-unknown reason, and we can assume that he was behind the brotherhood's attempt of assassination on Senator Kelly.

I don't think I really like this representation of Magento. It doesn't seem in line with his entire philosophy - mostly the imprisoning of mutants.

 

[Dread]

But Magneto has been willing to imprison or hurt mutants who don't share his philosophy in the comics. He was always an "ends justify the means" sort of guy. Honestly I think a lot of comic writers found him more interesting than Xavier so they sometimes made him more heroic than he should be. He was always a guy with a point, but he also isn't one that everyone could trust.

I liked Magneto in Evolution and this version is more nuanced because it wasn't obvious that he was a villain from episode 1 like it was in Evolution. He often rejected Quicksilver for various reasons so I am interested in seeing where this goes. Magneto in EVOLUTION was more aggressive; he pitted his own teammates against each other to earn the worthiness of seeing his Asteroid M, recall. Simply being loyal to him wasn't enough.

Magneto is all about uniting mutants like he believes humans are united against them. You can't have mutants rebelling if you want them all united.

Mystique was there to check on Xavier's condition because Magneto does care about his friend, but also doesn't want Xavier interfering. After all, he is the world's most potent telepath and often the mind behind the X-Men. Right now he only has to worry about a semi-constructed X-Men team where Xavier is still in a coma, Wolverine is the leader and not everyone trusts him (and by "not everyone" I mean "literally everyone but Rogue and to a small degree Cyclops"), and Cyclops the usual leader is stuck being an emo baby. All Magneto would have to do to stop Cyclops is say, "When Charles was in my care, he asked for you not to stop me" and Scott would probably walk away. He has no persona on this show. Everyone who hates his character would go, "without Jean or Xavier or some psychic broad to control him, Scott is a boring, nothing character" and this show has proven that assumption correct.

Thankfully, though, there is more to be interested in WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN besides Scott. Such as this stuff with the Brotherhood, or the sordid relationship between Wolverine and Rogue, or Beast & Frost being cool, and Kitty & Bobby getting some more lines between them.

 

[usagicassidy]

So I posted this in the "characters you'd like to see guest-starring", but now I realize it sort of more pertains to the whole Wolverine plotline and a continuation of this episode:

I honestly think one of the best utilizations of Wolverine for a central character would've been to have like a 2-part episode where the weapon x program/whoever wanted him eliminated because he was starting to learn too much of his past, and they said, "whoever captures/kills him will get $$$$" (or some other incentive).

The two episodes could be packed with Deadpool, Maverick, Sabertooth & X-23 from weapon x, Viper, Elektra, Gambit, Domino & the brotherhood, and any number of other characters who want a piece of the pie. It could be overdone, but for some reason, I feel that the "Logan on the run" idea would be really cool. The idea of him being chased, hounded, by other people who are working together would be very interesting - throw in the fact that some of them WOULDN'T be working together, and you'd have a whole slew of aggression and fire in a really, really big 'game.'

And this would be an instance where I wouldn't even want the rest of the X-Men to show up. Wolverine on his own! Maybe just one or two show up at the end when they discover his whereabouts, but that's it.

Anyone else think that would be the possibly coolest way to utilize Wolverine as central character? Cause honestly, any other story about him ranges from 'bad' to 'just okay.'

Who knows, I haven't seen all the show, so maybe something like this happens, but I'd bank on it not being to this extent. Oh well, maybe season 2.

 

[Dread]

Why Elektra? I always thought it was awkward when she was involved with "Pirate Mask" Wolverine in the comics. It seemed very random.

That would make for an interesting episode. However, I also think it would be cool to make Weapon X a wider threat than just Wolverine. Both them and Trask's Sentinel program seek to control or eliminate mutants, why not link them up?

Frankly, the show would get better Wolverine episodes if Wolverine were actually a leader (or trying to be), instead of a gofer for Future Xavier. Talk about squandering potential.

 

[usagicassidy]

Definitely true.

And I just threw Elektra into the mix as a "for example." I'd rather see Viper than Elektra, but Elektra is the name that people know.

 

[Dread]

Fair enough. I honestly am not too thrilled with the idea of seeing X-23 again. When she debuted in EVOLUTION, I honestly didn't know any fan who genuinely liked her. When she appeared in the comics, all I read were groans. In the years since, I have heard Yost & Kyle have fleshed her out with two mini's and she's decent. But I still am not convinced. She seems more like a detail of Wolverine's story than a character unto herself. Clones = Suck. Just ask Ben Reilly.

If you wanted mercenaries...Taskmaster would be awesome, especially since he has never been animated and his "photographic reflexes" ability is one of those weird "middle-ground" powers between being an exceptional human prodigy or an outright mutant, not unlike Bullseye. The only problem is that Taskmaster would require an excellent fight storyboarder, and WOLVERINE & THE X-MEN doesn't have that at all. All of their fights have been standard Saturday morning flair with barely any thrills or sequences that do more than cover the basics of a fight, aside for Nightcrawler. But, X-MEN EVOLUTION had that problem too; aside for a few noteworthy exceptions, such as "THE STUFF OF HEROES" when the X-Men took on Juggernaut for a second time, that show didn't offer much beyond "standard", unexceptional action either. It's better than the action in FANTASTIC FOUR: WGH, but that show was more geared towards comedy, so that could be forgiven.

 

[usagicassidy]

I believe X-23 is one of the best recent characters (post 90's) in the X-Men mythology. Her origins mini was phenomenal - I was more interested in reading that than any Wolverine story. Her inclusion in the NYX series was a great, dark depiction as well. And I loved her dynamic in New X-Men. Unfortunately, that title is gone, and now she's in X-Force where there's...well, sort of a 'lack' in dynamic.

I'm excited to see her show up, and not as her Evolution version, but more akin to her comics counterpart.

 

[Dread]

To each their own. For me, there are a ton of more interesting X-Men characters I would rather see. But Yost co-created X-23, so she gets priority.

 

[Havok83]

I believe X-23 is one of the best recent characters (post 90's) in the X-Men mythology. Her origins mini was phenomenal - I was more interested in reading that than any Wolverine story. Her inclusion in the NYX series was a great, dark depiction as well. And I loved her dynamic in New X-Men. Unfortunately, that title is gone, and now she's in X-Force where there's...well, sort of a 'lack' in dynamic.

I'm excited to see her show up, and not as her Evolution version, but more akin to her comics counterpart.

IA. I love X-23. I thought she was horrible when she was introduced into the X-men line under CC where she was pretty much female Wolverine, all rage and immature, but Yost and Kyle saved her with that amazing first mini. I was so against her at first but I grew to like her and she's one of my favorites to read.

Was Maverick's daughter supposed to be anyone bc I didnt recognize her