The Penguin Episode 7: Top Hat (Spoiler Thread)

[DarthSkywalker]

Ride or...

 

[WayneMB]

Louis Cancelmi!!!!!!

 

[OrbOfConfusion]

For those still watching or who haven't seen, I was expecting Oz to find

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Francine's body

in the truck, so I'm happy to have been wrong.

A great short, but sweet episode that puts us on track for a collision course with Oz and Sofia in the finale. Also, very chilling opening sequence.

 

[Sawyer]

For those still watching or who haven't seen, I was expecting Oz to find

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Francine's body

in the truck, so I'm happy to have been wrong.

I wasn’t all that surprised.

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Mostly due to the fact that I’m expecting Oz to do Frances in himself in the end.

 

[Rod]

The way Sal died was just pure perfection.

Oz will never be able to deeply feel he truly bested Salvatore Maroni (even if he tells that to the others). This will always be an open wound deep down in his ego/mind.

Ryder Allan (Young Oz): Did ya'll seen him in the BTS featurette? Wow, this kid is really good. Such a lot of depth and grasping of things for such an young actor.

 

[Still Wynning]

I guess we finally know what the thing the showrunners mentioned would paint Oz in an irredeemable light…

Instead of his brothers’ death being an accident, he literally just killed them out of spite just so he could get more attention from his mother. So, he’s been a psychopath from day one.

 

[OrbOfConfusion]

I guess we finally know what the thing the showrunners mentioned would paint Oz in an irredeemable light…

Instead of his brothers’ death being an accident, he literally just killed them out of spite just so he could get more attention from his mother. So, he’s been a psychopath from day one.

That

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silence at the end was worse than hearing them yell for help.

 

[Sawyer]

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Poor Sal.

Once again robbed of the privilege of scarring Harvey Dent. Perhaps Sofia…?

 

[WayneMB]

i think Penguin might be the one wielding the acid if Two-Face appears.

 

[Sawyer]

i think Penguin might be the one wielding the acid if Two-Face appears.

Very possible.

 

[Sawyer]

Also probably only me that drew the parallel, but I’m very amused by Sofia channeling Jack Napier’s “You are a vicious bastard, Rotelli, and I’m glad you’re dead” when talking about her family with Gia.

 

[Art Vandelay]

I know this is a weird thing to harp on, but I'm finding the accents in the show to be so distracting. Like, was this a conscious decision on the show creator's part to create some kind of Gotham accent, or were they trying to make sense of Colin Farrell not really nailing an American accent, so they have his family talk in that strange old timey gangster way? Everything is all "Foist of all, I got to woik oily in the moining...".

 

[Sawyer]

I’m not particularly bothered by it, but it did strike me as funny that the dialect seems specific to that neighborhood and that neighborhood alone.

 

[The Big G]

Vic gunna come in with an army to save Oz

 

[TheGDBatman]

I know this is a weird thing to harp on, but I'm finding the accents in the show to be so distracting. Like, was this a conscious decision on the show creator's part to create some kind of Gotham accent, or were they trying to make sense of Colin Farrell not really nailing an American accent, so they have his family talk in that strange old timey gangster way? Everything is all "Foist of all, I got to woik oily in the moining...".

They mention in the podcast that they had dialect coaches, and that specific areas of the city have their own accent. It’s quite detailed.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

I know this is a weird thing to harp on, but I'm finding the accents in the show to be so distracting. Like, was this a conscious decision on the show creator's part to create some kind of Gotham accent, or were they trying to make sense of Colin Farrell not really nailing an American accent, so they have his family talk in that strange old timey gangster way? Everything is all "Foist of all, I got to woik oily in the moining...".

It's very cartoony but feels on purpose to me. This show is super, super heightened and campy to such an extent that there's no way it's an accident.

Great episode! Maybe the best since the pilot? The flashbacks certainly are. Really prefer when this show narrows in on Oz character stuff and is less focused on the pretty dumb and badly plotted gang war.

Strong did a really good job but anyone else wish they'd switched out Strong and Cancelmi's roles? Cancelmi feels much closer to a Turtorro type than Strong.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I’m not particularly bothered by it, but it did strike me as funny that the dialect seems specific to that neighborhood and that neighborhood alone.

It's Little Gotham.

 

[KaijuDude1992]

Damn what an episode and as I expected from the beginning, they definitely made it clear that Oz is a real scumbag who we shouldn't feel any kind of sympathy for in the slightest. Loved the cold opening and the rest of the flashbacks with young Oz which it looks like we are getting more of in the finale.

I'm also a bit sad that Sal got killed off in this episode as well. I know there was a big chance he was going bite it anyways but man, I really wanted to see more of Clancy Brown in this universe.

He killed it in the role, and it would have been great to see him interact with Battinson or any other major future Gotham villains that Reeves would have established as part of the underworld.

 

[Rod]

Some great calls/insights:

Youtube comment (@Tru7blue):

Remember when Oz told Vic about how his brothers died. “The city took them like it did with your family”.

>The flood.



Reddit comment in r/television (dhillonroy):

"This completely recontextualizes that moment last episode where Oz gets pissed off at Vic for talking about his brothers with Francis. Besides making Francis’s dementia worse, I thought he was angry because Vic was disrespecting Jack and Benny’s memory. Now, it feels like Oz doesn’t want his mother to remember/feel love for anyone but him."

 

[DKDetective]

It's very cartoony but feels on purpose to me. This show is super, super heightened and campy to such an extent that there's no way it's an accident.

Great episode! Maybe the best since the pilot? The flashbacks certainly are. Really prefer when this show narrows in on Oz character stuff and is less focused on the pretty dumb and badly plotted gang war.

Strong did a really good job but anyone else wish they'd switched out Strong and Cancelmi's roles? Cancelmi feels much closer to a Turtorro type than Strong.

100%. Definitely had more of the sleazy Turturro vibe.

 

[Still Wynning]

Really prefer when this show narrows in on Oz character stuff and is less focused on the pretty dumb and badly plotted gang war.

If you’re also implying all of the stuff having to do with Sofia, I could not disagree with you more. Anything revolving around her and her family has been some of the more compelling stuff on the show.

Also, agree to disagree with you on episode four and how it handled Arkham and the writing on the show getting dumber and dumber after the pilot. The show keeps going from strength to strength and has maintained that consistency throughout.

I think a lot of what you’ve been talking about is just personal preference for what you wish the show would be and what you want from it and not actual issues with the show itself. I have a few small issues here or there, namely with the cinematography not being quite up to par with The Batman and some of the blocking and editing of the hand to hand and up-close-and-personal confrontations being a little sloppy at times, but I am willing to forgive those things since it’s a television show with a smaller budget per episode and other limitations that come with that and because the writing more than makes up for the few seemingly insignificant quibbles I have.

 

[antsman41]

Holy SH!T

That explosion, ****.

Those flashbacks were sadly tragic. And getting the girl from S1 of The Leftovers was gaia-tier DARK level of casting.

This ****ing show… we’re too lucky. I believe in Matt Reeves. (Not undermining the showrunner and such, just respecting this perfect adaption of Batman)

 

[antsman41]

That

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silence at the end was worse than hearing them yell for help.

Showing the door simply over flowing with water was more poignant than two people actually drowning.

 

[antsman41]

Also probably only me that drew the parallel, but I’m very amused by Sofia channeling Jack Napier’s “You are a vicious bastard, Rotelli, and I’m glad you’re dead” when talking about her family with Gia.

Let alone the Keaton/Burton shoutout with Oz lying that his brothers went to see Beetlejuice.

 

[antsman41]

They mention in the podcast that they had dialect coaches, and that specific areas of the city have their own accent. It’s quite detailed.

It’s like some of you (not YOU) haven’t seen any crime drama from 1984 thru 2000.