Sequels Er......what sequels?

[Kevin Roegele]

Superman sequels are not guarenteed anymore, unfortunetly.

Makes it very intresting how Spider-Man 3 will do at the box office, doesn't it?

 

[Jochimus]

Superman sequels are not guarenteed anymore, unfortunetly.

IMO that means nothing. A sequel to Superman Returns wouldn't cost so much to make and would finally have Luthor out of the way to make room for a more badass villain. Plus it's only made $10 million more than Batman Begins did in its first five days, and WB's already revving up THAT sequel.

 

[blind_fury]

Batman Begins cost 150 million. Superman Returns cost 250 million.

SR will need to make alot more than Batman Begins to get a sequel.

 

[Kuato]

Yeah but BB cost more than $50 million less than Superman...or if you take into account all the costs associated with getting Superman Returns off the ground before Singer became attached BB cost nearly $115 million dollars less. Sequels are...unlikely unless SR has great legs.

(Damn you beat me to it)

 

[dpm07]

Superman sequels are not guarenteed anymore, unfortunetly.

Makes it very intresting how Spider-Man 3 will do at the box office, doesn't it?

Spiderman 3 will rock. People will get a solid story with great action and not see a hero just dealing with natural disasters, or the same villain again.

SR had a weak story, and should have had Superman taking on a villain in a physical confrontation. Furthermore, it should never have introduced Superman's son, and it should have had a director who came into the game with a stronger knowledge of Superman other than the Donner film, which was great for its time, but pretty dated now.

Spiderman 3 won't make those mistakes. The past two films have illustrated Raimi has a respect for the hero and the comics.

 

[GreenKToo]

while I am looking forward to Spidey 3,it has shades of batman and robin,to many villians.

 

[blind_fury]

Batman and Robin failed because it made a mockery of the characters NOT because it had multiple villians.

 

[Triligors]

A sequel at this point seems guaranteed. It's just that MANY trolls are taking advantage of the situation and making others skeptical.

MANY films have had small openings and went on to become #1 at box office!!!

Case in point- LOTR, Chronicles, etc.

It's just people can't wait anymore.

Box office is a marathon- not a sprint.

 

[Image]

Batman and Robin failed because it made a mockery of the characters NOT because it had multiple villians.

That is true. It's how you use the villains, not how many you got.

 

[dpm07]

Batman and Robin failed because it made a mockery of the characters NOT because it had multiple villians.

That's very true.

 

[Norm3]

Is SR making enough money? The question is, where does Superman go from here? Do you want Singer back for second run, or is it time for a complete restart? Warner Bros & oh no Jon Peters have some big decisions ahead. Peters may return to his old self & go the Black Costume Superman Lives/Reborn route. I'm really worried about who or what the Studio is going to blame for this lower than expected Box office. I sure hope its the Donner continuation factor that gets blaimed.

 

[dpm07]

Is SR making enough money? The question is, where does Superman go from here? Do you want Singer back for second run, or is it time for a complete restart? Warner Bros & oh no Jon Peters have some big decisions ahead. Peters may return to his old self & go the Black Costume Superman Lives/Reborn route. I'm really worried about who or what the Studio is going to blame for this lower than expected Box office. I sure hope its the Donner continuation factor that gets blaimed.

My thing is this. If Singer isn't aboard, how are they going to get rid of Superman's son? That's a headache an incoming director probably will have nightmares with resolving. Singer made a hole for this franchise that's going to be tough to climb out of for another director.

 

[Norm3]

My thing is this. If Singer isn't aboard, how are they going to get rid of Superman's son? That's a headache an incoming director probably will have nightmares with resolving. Singer made a hole for this franchise that's going to be tough to climb out of for another director.

I wish both DC & Marvel would appoint a censor to tell the Directors No you can't do that! Instead they let them do whatever they want.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Superman Returns will easily have a sequal. Probably with a villian like Brainiac or Metallo attached. It's going to make 100mil before the weekend is out. I think X3 (which had the largest 3 day weekend openning and the largest EVER dropoff in sales--due in large part to how bad it was) scared people off from Superhero films this summer.

 

[Secret_Riddle]

superman returns will have an amazing sequal with the return of bryan singer and a cooler bad guy. trust me also the sequal would be cheaper because sets can be re-used or redesigned but not remade as well as other things being re-used. plus its making more money then batman begins and warner bros is a good studio when it comes to sequals. its not how much money the movie is making in comparison with how much it cost. for example batman begins came out and opened at less then this and it was guaranteed right away we would get a sequal because there was an interest in this. superman returns is showing an even higher interest so im sure we will get a sequal. although they will have to do some rebudgeting because they probably will lose money with superman returns or gain it back only through dvd sales or something.

 

[Timstuff]

Superman Returns will need to make around 320 million or more to be profitable, and keep in mind that a LOT of the gross goes into the pockets of movie theater operators. And, there's marketing costs to consider. Batman Begins cost $110 million less than SR, and it didn't have Pirates of the Carribbean opening the next week, or a negative word-of-mouth campaign working against it.

The only way SR will get a sequel is if Warner Bros. breaks even, in which case the sequel will likely have a MUCH smaller budget. It's not looking good though.

 

[Aren]

Spiderman 3 will rock. People will get a solid story with great action and not see a hero just dealing with natural disasters, or the same villain again.

SR had a weak story, and should have had Superman taking on a villain in a physical confrontation. Furthermore, it should never have introduced Superman's son, and it should have had a director who came into the game with a stronger knowledge of Superman other than the Donner film, which was great for its time, but pretty dated now.

Spiderman 3 won't make those mistakes. The past two films have illustrated Raimi has a respect for the hero and the comics.

Couldnt have said it better

 

[LongshotRules]

IMO there's no way WB would not do Supe sequel, just like Batman it's one of the only flagship franchises WB can count on and if you don't have these two icons made into movies what else you gonna have that's a guaranteed BO draw? WW? GL? JLA? No way. WB didn't spend 10 years and millions of its money so it can make one movie. No matter how much BO SR ends up getting rest assured a sequel is inevitable. As for Singer his job is safe for one more Supe movie at least. But if the second Supe movie pulls in less money than first then there may be a change of director.

 

[Timstuff]

Spiderman 3 will rock. People will get a solid story with great action and not see a hero just dealing with natural disasters, or the same villain again.

SR had a weak story, and should have had Superman taking on a villain in a physical confrontation. Furthermore, it should never have introduced Superman's son, and it should have had a director who came into the game with a stronger knowledge of Superman other than the Donner film, which was great for its time, but pretty dated now.

Spiderman 3 won't make those mistakes. The past two films have illustrated Raimi has a respect for the hero and the comics.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Timstuff]

But if the second Supe movie pulls in less money than first then there may be a change of director.

It's already too late, the damage is done. Warner Bros. isn't going to give him a second chance to waste their money. If this were the second in a string of movies, they'd give him another chance to get it right with the third. But when you get off to a start that's this rocky, it's game over.

 

[Triligors]

TimStuff, from your previous comments. I'd say you're a MARVEL "troll". Whose not waiting to see what the final numbers are.

Sure it opened small, but so did LOTS of films that went on to become #1 at box office. And you can't just say "yeah, but Pirates- Pirates" because one film does not have the potential to bury- only perhaps make more, but not bury. Lol. I find it hilarious that some who want to see it fail- POTC fans, MARVEL fans, etc. Come up with a reason that actually makes SENSE.

 

[Timstuff]

I've always been a DC fan more than Marvel, but I must admit that Marvel has been in better shape in recent years.

 

[Triligors]

But, what everyone forgets is that this movie will continue to make good money- continuing this amount. I know that there will be a sequel, with Bryan at the helm, have super villains, etc. Am I the only one who saw the MANY seeds that the film planted? We now know the story, the world. From here it's a free playing zone- anything can happen.

POTC2 will hurt, but it won't bury. SR faces no competition from alot of other films of the summer, some of these films, but not most of them.

The first POTC earnings were disappointing, I remember- yet, look what happened come the end of the summer. Exactly.

The same scenario is happening here. A hesitant audience. Low opening. But, great word of mouth and long summer run.


I've been to too many threads on multiple movies where people were screaming 'flop' just because it didn't make money immediately. But, over the summer it makes alot.

Yet, there are many that rush to fast to conclusions. Coming up with negatives that frankly seem like trolls reaching for straws and some hesitant people buying into them.

It's WAY too fast. There are two blockbusters.

1. Those that make money immediately and drop off
2. Those that open low, but end high- a "sleeper" blockbuster which happens more often than people, for some reason, are ignoring.

SR is the second and has the properties of a second. I've gone to multiple message boards, and etc. This film in the end won't be a dissapointment nor will it be a flop. Did it underperform? Only since it was expecting HUGE SM like numbers. But, just because it didn't doesn't mean that the film will end as a dissapointment. This has been said alot before for multiple movies and almost always ends at the opposite end of the spectrum.

That's why I'm saying wait. Good reviews, from what I've personally been hearing and experiencing- great word of mouth. Has a POTC vibe about it. POTC2 will hurt, but it won't throw SR to tenth spot- it will only slow it down, but not bury it. Lol.

I've looked at the past. This is working like any other "sleeper" blockbuster that I have encountered.

What I'm saying is that people should just shut up and wait. Because at this time there is no definite one way or another, it's a wild card.

 

[Kane]

Looks like we shouldnt assume that WB will fire Singer and avoid sequels yet:

"Bryan [Singer] is just such a bright and creative individual. He had his own vision, and he was right and did a great job," said Dan Fellman, Warner head of distribution.

The movie should hit $110 million by Tuesday, Fellman said.

"Superman Returns" had big returns in 76 huge-screen IMAX theatres, most of which ran the movie incorporating 3-D footage in many action sequences. About $5 million of the film's grosses came from IMAX theatres.

(From Supermanhomepage.com)

 

[Jochimus]

Looks like we shouldnt assume that WB will fire Singer and avoid sequels yet:

"Bryan [Singer] is just such a bright and creative individual. He had his own vision, and he was right and did a great job," said Dan Fellman, Warner head of distribution.

The movie should hit $110 million by Tuesday, Fellman said.

"Superman Returns" had big returns in 76 huge-screen IMAX theatres, most of which ran the movie incorporating 3-D footage in many action sequences. About $5 million of the film's grosses came from IMAX theatres.

(From Supermanhomepage.com)

Other things to factor in are the international take - that's how the first Star Trek movie broke even despite also having a gigantic budget and being critically blasted in the end - and DVD sales - which is how the first Austin Powers movie ended up turning a profit.

WB didn't spend 20 years and millions of dollars to bring Superman back to the big screen just to give up. If they overcame Batman & Robin, they'll overcome this, too.

BTW I just came back from the movie. I wanted to see something that could replace Superman III and IV as a decent follow-up to the first two movies. I got it.