Escape from New York (Remake)

[Kevin Roegele]

Now, granted, John Carpenter may have directed a cinematic steamin' turd or deux in recent years; however, as a film enthusiast dork, I have to give the man credit for the films which he did strike gold with including The Fog, Starman, and of course, The Thing, which was a remake and an awesome one at that. So, when Carpenter remakes a film, it usually works; however, when someone tries to remake a Carpenter picture, it's crap, plain and simple and do not try to justify the "Fog" remake to me. I don't care how hot Selma Blair is.
Now, on top of a remake of Halloween, one of those pictures that should have been off limits for remaking forever, there is now preparations to redo "Escape From New York". When I first about that, I almost cut all the sleeves off my shirts, ripped my eye out, slapped a patch over it, and told everyone to start calling me "Snake" as doom rained down on city streets everywhere. If I were Carpenter, I would be screaming "bloody murder" and asking for people's heads for screwing with my brilliant film resume like this. First, the powers that be decided to f*** with George Romero's films, now this.
I can only hope that JC is in the midst of writing a screenplay for a picture that involves revenge against studio executives and development twits. He can make it cheap, like the good ol' days, and just sell it online and make millions just from that venue alone. Bottom line, I don't care what you say, but remaking "Escape" is wrong. I mean, seriously, who are they possibly gonna get to replace Adrianne Barbeau and her five star rack?

-so sayeth the mastermind(Call me Snake)-

The very idea of re-doing Escape from New York defies sense, because it's the very John Carpenter-ness of the thing that makes it what it is. It's the mood, the lo-fi tension and just-dont-care badassness that makes it special.

And how anybody could suggest, nay even consider, Snake Plissken NOT played by Kurt Russell is either a lunatic or a heretic.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Why would you a hope a movie isn't made? LOL

It's not like you have to watch it. If you don't want to watch it...don't. It doesn't effect you nor does it effect the first film. The first film will still exist.

I love when people give me the "well it doesn't affect you if it gets made!". Well actually yeah it does because instead of them I don't know making something ORIGINAL and SOMETHING I WANT TO SEE they are going to put time and money into something I have no interest in.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Now, granted, John Carpenter may have directed a cinematic steamin' turd or deux in recent years; however, as a film enthusiast dork, I have to give the man credit for the films which he did strike gold with including The Fog, Starman, and of course, The Thing, which was a remake and an awesome one at that. So, when Carpenter remakes a film, it usually works; however, when someone tries to remake a Carpenter picture, it's crap, plain and simple and do not try to justify the "Fog" remake to me. I don't care how hot Selma Blair is.
Now, on top of a remake of Halloween, one of those pictures that should have been off limits for remaking forever, there is now preparations to redo "Escape From New York". When I first about that, I almost cut all the sleeves off my shirts, ripped my eye out, slapped a patch over it, and told everyone to start calling me "Snake" as doom rained down on city streets everywhere. If I were Carpenter, I would be screaming "bloody murder" and asking for people's heads for screwing with my brilliant film resume like this. First, the powers that be decided to f*** with George Romero's films, now this.
I can only hope that JC is in the midst of writing a screenplay for a picture that involves revenge against studio executives and development twits. He can make it cheap, like the good ol' days, and just sell it online and make millions just from that venue alone. Bottom line, I don't care what you say, but remaking "Escape" is wrong. I mean, seriously, who are they possibly gonna get to replace Adrianne Barbeau and her five star rack?

-so sayeth the mastermind(Call me Snake)-

Last interview i read with Carpenter when the Fog remake came out was that he didn't care as long as he got his cut as his version would always be there on DVD.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I love when people give me the "well it doesn't affect you if it gets made!". Well actually yeah it does because instead of them I don't know making something ORIGINAL and SOMETHING I WANT TO SEE they are going to put time and money into something I have no interest in.

But there are movies every day announced that don't interest me and ten others that do,so those that don't just get crossed of my list,i see no big deal there at all.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

But there are movies every day announced that don't interest me and ten others that do,so those that don't just get crossed of my list,i see no big deal there at all.

That is the point. I am saying that there are probably original scripts and ideas out there that get put on the backburner all the time because studios feel it would be too risky to put the money and time into and instead opt for these remakes just milk a franchise for all it is worth.

 

[Hunter Rider]

That is the point. I am saying that there are probably original scripts and ideas out there that get put on the backburner all the time because studios feel it would be too risky to put the money and time into and instead opt for these remakes just milk a franchise for all it is worth.

Those scripts could be a pile of crap as well though and these days there are so many movies made every year i am sure both get made,i just don't see why ppl get so upset,if a movie is being made that doesn't interest me i just move along to one that does,i usually find plenty of films a year to enjoy without worrying about those that don't appeal to me but each to their own i guess.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Those scripts could be a pile of crap as well though and these days there are so many movies made every year i am sure both get made,i just don't see why ppl get so upset,if a movie is being made that doesn't interest me i just move along to one that does,i usually find plenty of films a year to enjoy without worrying about those that don't appeal to me but each to their own i guess.

Well I feel that a majority of these remakes are significantly worse therefore making them a complete waste of time and money. And considering the theatres are flooded with remakes, prequels, sequels, etc. that makes the good films harder to find. That is just my personal point of view. I mean I can probably count the good films I saw last year on my hands and the bad ones I would need a piece of paper and a pencil.

And of course those scripts could be bad too but take for example M. Night Shymalan's newest script that got the all around snub from studios. That was obviously because Lady in the Water didn't do so well at theatres. Latino Review came out with a script review short after confused as too why it got declined everywhere since it was in their opinion a great script.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Well I feel that a majority of these remakes are significantly worse therefore making them a complete waste of time and money. And considering the theatres are flooded with remakes, prequels, sequels, etc. that makes the good films harder to find. That is just my personal point of view. I mean I can probably count the good films I saw last year on my hands and the bad ones I would need a piece of paper and a pencil.

Fair enough,some of the remakes Ive found vastly superior myself but the biggest issues for me are game adaptions and i think this particular movie is ripe for a remake

And of course those scripts could be bad too but take for example M. Night Shymalan's newest script that got the all around snub from studios. That was obviously because Lady in the Water didn't do so well at theatres. Latino Review came out with a script review short after confused as too why it got declined everywhere since it was in their opinion a great script.

Well that was an odd set of circumstances but yeah,still i wasn't that impressed with concept but it may be good.

 

[Lord Blackbolt]

Russell isn't too old to still play Snake. He still looks badass. Look at Grindhouse

 

[The Dark Defender]

Last interview i read with Carpenter when the Fog remake came out was that he didn't care as long as he got his cut as his version would always be there on DVD.

That's how Carpenter has always been. He directs films he cares about, and "produces" films he couldn't care less about so long as he gets paid.
I've always respected his honesty about that.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Russell isn't too old to still play Snake. He still looks badass. Look at Grindhouse

Yeah I thought that myself. If ****ing Harrison Ford can handle Indiana Jones 4 what the hell?

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Fair enough,some of the remakes Ive found vastly superior myself but the biggest issues for me are game adaptions and i think this particular movie is ripe for a remake



Well that was an odd set of circumstances but yeah,still i wasn't that impressed with concept but it may be good.

It's all good it comes down to personal opinion. But I do think it is unfair to say people have no right to be angry that certain movies are getting made while people can be excited for certain movies getting made.

 

[Addendum]

Well, I was really pissed off that the original Italian Job wasn't available on DVD for a long time.

Then when it was finally announced, it had to be bumped back for the dopey remake to come out.

Then it finally came out on DVD the same day as the remake, and I didn't even glance at the remake.

 

[jaydawg]

Meh. The original wasnt that great to begin with.

 

[Alexia Dark]

I have no idea what the movie is about. But more Gerry is always a good thing .

 

[Warhammer]

The very idea of re-doing Escape from New York defies sense, because it's the very John Carpenter-ness of the thing that makes it what it is. It's the mood, the lo-fi tension and just-dont-care badassness that makes it special.

And how anybody could suggest, nay even consider, Snake Plissken NOT played by Kurt Russell is either a lunatic or a heretic.

Always right.

 

[Warhammer]

While this may be good, I truly think that Hollywood needs to STOP with all of these damn remakes. I'm getting sick and tired of them. I don't even care if they are good remakes, they just need to stop. The only remakes that should be made are very old movies that could seriously benefit from being remade today (like Clash of The Titans or Masters of the Universe).

I feel like quoting myself.

 

[Grim Goblin]

Dammit, why does hollywood insist on crapping all over the legacy of true classics! They might as well take a stick, shove it up a big steamy turd, put an eye patch on it and call it Snake because the result is gonna be pretty close to that anyway!

And for Christ's sake, I don't want to hear about how "new generations are going to miss out on all those great films if we don't remake them!"... BULL****! You know what? if you don't want them to miss out on something, clean the print, re-release them in theaters and have a new dvd release with tons of cool extras. I may not like the guy, but George Lucas has proven it can be pulled off!!!

Also, and it's nothing personnal Advanced Dark, but what kinda ****ing argument is "but it could be a franchise"?

why does everything needs to be a franchise? They had a great movie with a precise plot. It's done, it's over. The last thing we need is more Snake escapes from *insert name*. That's exactly why the sequel sucked ass, because they tried to follow a formula that can only become ridiculous with repetitions. Now if they had made the continuing adventures of Snake on the road and being chased by the government and so forth, then we would have had a fresh "franchise" that explores characters instead of formulas...

If Hollywood is so ****ing eager to do remakes, why don't they concentrate on remaking films that had great concepts, but bad execution. That way you could at least turn crap into gold instead of the other way around!

rant over, got a smoke?

 

[Hunter Rider]

It's all good it comes down to personal opinion. But I do think it is unfair to say people have no right to be angry that certain movies are getting made while people can be excited for certain movies getting made.

Oh i wasn't suggesting ppl not put their side if it is negative i was just saying i personally just move on if a movie isn't to my liking,i tend to focus more on the ones i am looking forward to than complaining about the ones i am not.

Meh. The original wasnt that great to begin with.

i agree,great character and concept though.

Russell isn't too old to still play Snake. He still looks badass. Look at Grindhouse

It's probably b/c they are hoping for sequels over the next 6 or 7 years

 

[Advanced Dark]

Hunter I'm with you 100% on all those answers. I've been saying that all along. It's important for any actor to have a franchise. Something they can fall back on and in between do the smaller films. Many actors do this. They do the blockbusters to make the cash and make the smaller or more Oscar worthy films in between. It keeps them in the limelight and keeps their market value up. Gerard Butler even after 300 is NOT a household name. He might be to people on these forums no doubt. Just like most people don't know who the hell Doug Jones is...but here he's known by most everyone. Both for different reasons but just showing how popularity can be isolated. So for those worried about Gerard being stuck in only action movies...it doesn't have to happen. Bruce Willis has followed this pattern of going back to Die Hard or similar films for the big pay day...and in between doing lots of smaller films. It's all good.

 

[Advanced Dark]

Dammit, why does hollywood insist on crapping all over the legacy of true classics! They might as well take a stick, shove it up a big steamy turd, put an eye patch on it and call it Snake because the result is gonna be pretty close to that anyway!

And for Christ's sake, I don't want to hear about how "new generations are going to miss out on all those great films if we don't remake them!"... BULL****! You know what? if you don't want them to miss out on something, clean the print, re-release them in theaters and have a new dvd release with tons of cool extras. I may not like the guy, but George Lucas has proven it can be pulled off!!!

Also, and it's nothing personnal Advanced Dark, but what kinda ****ing argument is "but it could be a franchise"?

why does everything needs to be a franchise? They had a great movie with a precise plot. It's done, it's over. The last thing we need is more Snake escapes from *insert name*. That's exactly why the sequel sucked ass, because they tried to follow a formula that can only become ridiculous with repetitions. Now if they had made the continuing adventures of Snake on the road and being chased by the government and so forth, then we would have had a fresh "franchise" that explores characters instead of formulas...

If Hollywood is so ****ing eager to do remakes, why don't they concentrate on remaking films that had great concepts, but bad execution. That way you could at least turn crap into gold instead of the other way around!

rant over, got a smoke?

Oh boy. LOL

Nobody said "every" film needs to be a franchise. Snake Plisskin is a perfect franchise character. It doesn't all have to be "escape from" either. The reason the sequel sucked ass is because it strayed from the formula that made the first one so good. It was more of a remake parody of the first then a sequel. I don't want them to make a remake or restart "just because". I want them to make it because they have a great character and premise to start from that should have been further explored. I don't want sequels like Men in Black 2 or garbage like Charlies Angels. I want a good storyline. Theres not reason why Snake Plisskin can't have at least a trilogy of films as good as the best of them. The fact is we don't know what the details are yet. It might turn out that they screw it all up...if that's the case don't freaking watch it. Or it might turn out (believe it or not) that the remake is superior to the original in most every way. That doens't mean you still won't love the original...who knows. I know many people who said Sean Connery is the man. Nobody will ever beat him as Bond he's the best. Alot of them are scracthing their heads now after Daniel Craig. Not because he's a better Bond neccesarily but because he's a different Bond. He's giving us a different take on the character which is refreshing after seeing so much cheese fester in that franchise. There's not reason for any of you to throw hissy fits without knowing more information. Trust me this is one of my favorite films and Snake Plisskin is one of my favorite characters. The last thing I want is for them to screw it up. But as a fan the first thing I want is them to take it a steo further and introduce this character to a new generation of fans. If it sucks I'll be the first one here online to say it sucks...then I'll move onto some other thread.

 

[Addendum]

Why can't this generation grab the DVD and watch it?

 

[Advanced Dark]

Why can't they make it...and YOU not watch it?

 

[Superman]

I just busted one when I read this! My freaking God I can't wait!!!!!!! This is going to be a popular topic! The original is one of my favorite films of all time. Top 20 for sure. The sequel blew ass but can you imagine what they could have done with this franchise? Now we'll see and with a real budget!!!

You know you're pinching yourself now.t:



http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117961020.html?categoryid=13&cs=1

This might be good.

 

[Kritish]

REMAKES!!!!​